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Does anyone take this while on TX,,,????

Spirulina is gaining more attention from medical scientists as a nutraceutical and source of potential pharmaceuticals. There are several new peer reviewed scientific studies about Spirulina's ability to inhibit viral replication, strengthen both the cellular and humoral arms of the immune system and cause regression and inhibition of cancers. While these studies are preliminary and more research is needed, the results so far are exciting.


http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Spirulina.html
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476246 tn?1418870914
Thanks for posting more info on the chlorophyll.

I had never looked into the subject of chlorophyll, before I saw you and Rocker discussing the subject. I find it highly interesting.

Especially the part about Aflatoxin. Never heard about it. I lived in Indonesia for 20 years and still visit ca 2 times a year and also travel to Africa every year. Something to be aware of.

As to the wheat grass. I used to grow and juice my own wheat grass for the health benefits it has. I felt more energized.

The human stomach can definitely not digest grass, that's why it is juiced for human consumption. The normal grass and wheat grass do not have the same nutrients, so I would not recommend that one juices normal grass. Barley grass is also supposed to be good. I grew it too, but didn't like the taste of it. So I threw the rest out.

As a rule, I believe that whatever one does, one should do in moderation.

Marcia


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568322 tn?1370165440
On another post you said that you used to grow and juice your own WheatGRASS (wheatgrass contains 70% chlorophyll).

Again.....

Cows can digest grass.....humans can't.  And wheatgrass....is grass.
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"Examinations in cattle have demonstrated a correlation between intestinal chlorophyll content and microbial activity, which can be affected by compounds found in certain grasses. "

Cattle can digest grass, humans can't.


"Experiments using Chlorophyllin (CHL), a solubilized form of chlorophyll, have demonstrated that chlorophyll can help to prevent liver and colon cancers by binding carcinogens commonly associated with these cancers and preventing their absorption by the intestines."


Experiments used Chlorophyllin NOT natural Chlorophyll (like the kind from algae) .  The chlorophyll molecule contains magnesium....chlorophyllin contains copper. Chlorophyllin is made in a lab by adding acid to chlorophyll.

And the experiments were done on Aflatoxin-induced liver cancer.  Aflatoxin is a species of fungus  found in moldy grains and legumes, such as corn, peanuts and soybeans in hot, humid regions of Africa and Asia (NOT the US) with inadequate grain storage facilities.  High levels of dietary Aflatoxin are associated with increased risk of liver cancer.  In animal models, administration of chlorophyllin at the same time as dietary Aflatoxin exposure, reduced  DNA damage in the livers of rainbow trout and rats.

HOWEVER, thanks to the FDA, people living in the US are not exposed to Aflatoxin.  And it is not known whether chlorophyllin will be useful in the prevention of cancers in people who are not exposed to significant levels of dietary Aflatoxin.  


This comes from Oregon State University where the trout and rat studies using Chlorophyllin were done.......


"Q. Why use chlorophyllin instead of natural chlorophyll?

A. Natural chlorophyll is very unstable, and it deteriorates very quickly after isolation and purification.

Q. Have you compared the difference in chemoprotection between the purified compound and the food in which it's found?

A. We can't do that with fish because they are carnivores, not herbivores. They don't digest plant material. Our human studies are all done with purified chlorophyll or chlorophyllin, not with spinach, which is rich in chlorophyll. So that experiment remains to be done.

Q. Are there any side effects or toxicity with either chlorophyll or chlorophyllin?

A. No toxicity has ever been reported, and we haven't observed any in our short-term studies with humans. In future long-term human trials, THERE IS A POTENTIAL RISK OF TUMOR PROMOTION by chlorophyllin based on the rat colon carcinogenesis model. So, under certain circumstances, at certain doses of chlorophyllin and exposure to certain carcinogens, there may be some risk."


http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss08/cancer.html
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Play is for children ....this disease is not childs play...no thanx....go find another child mate.
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So what do you say?  Want to play?
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476246 tn?1418870914
Both of you, this is what I could find on the subject:

To start with, let's tackle the easy parts of the question. 1) Although both chlorophyll and heme contain porphyrin, each also contains side chains that vary substantially. Beside not being able to properly coordinate a ferrous ion, chlorphyll's tail would prevent its being taken up by the hemoglobin proteins to form a functional enzyme. 2) Once heme is degraded in the liver into biliverdin, it can't be converted back to heme. Once heme degradation begins, the byproducts are expelled in the bile and urine. 3) The heme in the blood is contained in the Red Blood Cells. These cells, also called Erythrocytes, arise in the bone marrow from Reticulocytes which synthesize the porphyrin rings needed to make heme from simple precursors. In other words, any prophyrins, including functional heme, absorbed in the intestines and into the blood stream would be degraded in the liver and not used for hemoglobin.

Now for the tricky question, "how chlorophyll is absorbed through the intestinal walls." The short answer is: it's not. The evidence is somewhat indirect, but suggests that chlorophyll accumulates in the gut, and is either expelled with the rest of the waste or broken down by the intestinal flora. Examinations in cattle have demonstrated a correlation between intestinal chlorophyll content and microbial activity, which can be affected by compounds found in certain grasses. Also, some enzymes found in food plants, e.g. lutein from soybeans, actually destroy chlorophyll before it gets to the small intestines. Although these data are from cattle and not humans, their more herbivorous diets expose them to much more chlorophyll than a normal human diet - it is doubtful that our omnivorous diets are better at dealing with chlorophyll than theirs. Although there is some evidence that heme may facilitate Iron absorption in humans, it is worth repeating that any heme absorbed in the gut would be degraded by the liver before entering the general circulation, and that heme and chlorophyll are not interchangeable.

As an aside, the presence of chlorophyll in the human diet has been shown to have beneficial effects, specifically because it is not absorbed. Experiments using Chlorophyllin (CHL), a solubilized form of chlorophyll, have demonstrated that chlorophyll can help to prevent liver and colon cancers by binding carcinogens commonly associated with these cancers and preventing their absorption by the intestines. So, eating foods containing a lot chlorophyll should be part of a healthy diet, but not because the chlorophyll somehow alleviates anemia.
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568322 tn?1370165440
"stem enhance cost me only 1.40 for a days supply"

After your distributor's discount, no doubt....LOL

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568322 tn?1370165440
"what do you me we cant absorb chrophyll?....you dont sound like you know the facts."


So if I prove that we can't absorb chlorophyll, that would mean that it can't "attract oxygen, purify the liver, eliminate old toxic material, treat anemia, rejuvenate the thyroid, keep the colon healthy, deodorize, etc......right?  Because you can't have any benefits from something your body can't absorb.... right?

So then you would have to admit that you've been selling people junk....right?

And of course you would have to admit that I do know my facts and it was you who didn't.

So what do you say?  Want to play?
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Chlorophyll is able to help the body because of its great mineral content.  It is high in organic iron, potassium, magnesium, and copper.  The iron in chlorophyll attracts oxygen, which aids in the treatment of anemia and rejuvenates the thyroid.  Potassium plays a key role in good heart health while helping the body build and maintain muscle.  Copper helps build the bloodstream and is vital for overall health.  These minerals are naturally sourced within chlorophyll, allowing them to be readily absorbed by the body.

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http://www.essortment.com/all/liquidchlorophy_rrho.htm

this is the info....ignore the other link above
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Liquid chlorophyll counteracts toxins, the result is that the body heal faster. It also works in purifying the liver, eliminates old toxic material, and deodorizes the bowels and the entire body. In the colon, liquid chlorophyll helps keep the colon healthy by destroying disease causing bacteria. It works well in eliminating body odors, abscesses, and other skin sores in people as well as animals. In fact it’s a great help for any digestive problems, constipation, or diarrhea

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/592813
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Then have the lettuce.  It's cheaper....LOL



one head of organic lettuce cost between 1$ AND 1.25$ ahead ..stem enhance cost me only 1.40 for a days supply....same price just about..what do you me we cant absorb chrophyll?....you dont sound like you know the facts.
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The article from the link you gave .....is written by Richard Kozlenko, D.P.M.....a Podiatrist....LOL


"The question may also refer to the safety of increasing the number of circulating stem cells everyday by 25-30%. Here also the safety is unquestionable. The normal range for the number of circulating stem cells is between 1.2 and 5.0 stem cells per µL of blood. An increase of 30% in the number of circulating stem cells would at most mean an increase of 1.5 cells per µL, which is well within normal physiological range. Looking at this from a different angle, Krause et al. [7] reported that one single stem cell was enough to reconstitute the entire hematopoietic (red blood cell) and immune systems. If one single stem cell can do this, then the billions of stem cells left in the bone marrow after taking StemEnhance® can maintain a healthy and strong bone marrow. "


I read the entire product patent and nowhere does it say that  "billions of stem cells are left in the bone marrow after taking StemEnhance" or that StemEnhance increases the number of stem cells.  All it says is that it "enhances stem cell MOBILIZATION.  It induces a TRANSIENT increase in stem cell CIRCULATION".   In other words, it makes some stem cells circulate for a while.....so what???


"A safety study in mice determined that consumption of the equivalent of up to 2,000 AFA capsules daily led to no health problems at all."

2,000 capsules fed to a mouse.....I don't think so....LOL

"In fact, the authors claimed that the mice receiving the highest dose of AFA were less aggressive "

Hell...after eating 2,000 capsules they must have been stuffed.  They probably couldn't even move.....LOL



"AFA. Aphanizomenon Flos-Aquae (a fresh water blue-green algae) contains a wide variety of phytonutrients that promote health, such as chlorophyll"

"sometimes i really wonder if the medical field really know anything about nutrition...can .someone here relate to this??...im just wanna take good foods to ward off the sx....i dont see any diff in a head of romaine lettuce and spirlina..there both chlorphyll rich foods."


We may not know much about nutrition.....but we know that COWS can digest chlorophyll ....but humans can't.  Our bodies can't absorb chlorophyll.  If we could, we would all be green....LOL


BTW, the StemEnhance patent says......

"The methods disclosed in the present invention have equal application in medical and veterinary settings.  Therefore, the general term "subject being treated" includes all vertebrates, for example, but not limited to humans, apes, dogs, cats, mice, rats, rabbits, sheep, pigs and COWS."

ROFL

"i dont see any diff in a head of romaine lettuce and spirlina"

Then have the lettuce.  It's cheaper....LOL
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If you decide to take it after tx....you can always let friends who need some help try it...it really works for hip pain and stuff...like i said before,my mothers hip pain just went away,,,i got 4 people i personly know who take it all the time...wouldnt it be wonderful tho if it keep your red aand white blood cells from fallling...i doubt that tho...if anything i thing it would just ease sx...i plan on a 72 week course this time and if things get too rough io just may pop a few..we will see
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476246 tn?1418870914
I am NOT saying that they don't practice good quality control. If they were using toxic algae, they would have already been shut down.

I was not referring to stem enhance, but to the species itself... as I was not aware that we were only discussing that particular brand.

I'm trying to gather some broader discussions and info on the subject of this particular algae. It is more credible to also get some info about it from another source, than the manufacturer of a specific product, as they will of course only say good things about their product.

My stem enhance is on its way, but I am still not sure if I will take it when it comes or wait until after tx....

Marcia



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GOOD READING HERE


http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/06d-0480-gld0001.pdf
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Aphanizomenon flos-aquae
Review Of The Literature Regarding Neurotoxicity


Aph. flos-aquae and the issue of neurotoxicity

A few reports of neurotoxicity in the scientific literature have raised unwarranted concern. Aside from these reports, nearly ten years of regular testing (more than 300 samples tested) has failed to reveal the presence of any neurotoxins. In the late 1990’s two lawsuits were filed against companies harvesting from Klamath Lake for neurotoxicity. Both cases were dismissed after considerable effort to detect neurotoxins proved unsuccessful. Finally, a study recently published used genetic technologies to determine that the previous reports of neurotoxicity associated with Aph. flos aquae had misidentified the algal species and the toxic algal samples were not Aph. flos aquae but a species of Anabaena. Below is a brief and more detailed account of the evolution of the scientific data regarding the neurotoxicity of Aph. flos aquae.



http://heavyrocker.stemtechbiz.com/FAQ_sub.aspx#1


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AFA contains phenylethylamine (PEA), known as the “molecule of love” or the “molecule of joy”. PEA is a natural compound made by the brain whenever one feels content, happy. Deficiency in PEA has been linked to problems of concentration and low mood, and oral intake of PEA has been shown to improve these conditions. StemEnhance® concentrates PEA at about 5mg/g. PEA is responsible for the immediate feeling of well-being that one experiences after taking StemEnhance®. Because of the effect of PEA in the brain, StemEnhance® could be contraindicated for people suffering from severe manic depression.

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3. What evidence shows that StemEnhance® is safe for long-term use?

AFA, the raw ingredient from which StemEnhance® is derived, has been on the marketplace for more than two decades with a very good track record of safety. A safety study in mice determined that consumption of the equivalent of up to 2,000 AFA capsules daily led to no health problems at all. In fact, the authors claimed that the mice receiving the highest dose of AFA were less aggressive and looked healthier. StemEnhance® is a 5:1 concentrate of AFA, and just like 5:1 concentrates of echinacea or grape seed or ginkgo or wheat grass juice that are as safe as the whole plant they are derived from, StemEnhance® is as safe as whole AFA. StemEnhance® is to whole AFA what carrot juice is to a whole carrot.

The question may also refer to the safety of increasing the number of circulating stem cells everyday by 25-30%. Here also the safety is unquestionable. The normal range for the number of circulating stem cells is between 1.2 and 5.0 stem cells per µL of blood. An increase of 30% in the number of circulating stem cells would at most mean an increase of 1.5 cells per µL, which is well within normal physiological range. Looking at this from a different angle, Krause et al. [7] reported that one single stem cell was enough to reconstitute the entire hematopoietic (red blood cell) and immune systems. If one single stem cell can do this, then the billions of stem cells left in the bone marrow after taking StemEnhance® can maintain a healthy and strong bone marrow.

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The thing about blue green algae is, that one needs to be sure that it comes from a reliable and non toxic source???



Well ive been taking stem enhance for over a year and im still six feet above ground as are my family and friends...i wll keep you posted if  do kick the bucket
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The term spirulina refers to a large number of cyanobacteria or blue-green algae. Both  Spirulina spp . and non- Spirulina  spp. fall into the classification of cyanobacteria and include:  Aphanizomenon  spp.,  Microcystis  spp.,  Nostoc  spp., and  Spirulina  spp. Most commercial products contain  Aphanizomenon flos-aquae ,  Sprirulina maxima , and/or  Spirulina platensis . These algae are found in the warm, alkaline waters of the world, especially of Mexico and Central Africa.  Spirulina  spp .  are most often grown under controlled conditions and are subject to less contamination than the non-spirulina species that are harvested naturally.

Spirulina is a rich source of nutrients, containing up to 70% protein, B-complex vitamins, phycocyanin, chlorophyll, beta-carotene, vitamin E, and numerous minerals. In fact, spirulina contains more beta-carotene than carrots. Spirulina has been used since ancient times as a source of nutrients and has been said to possess a variety of medical uses, including as an antioxidant, antiviral, antineoplastic, weight loss aid, and lipid-lowering agent. Preliminary data from animal studies demonstrate effectiveness for some conditions as well as safety, although human evidence is lacking. Based on available research, no recommendation can be made either for or against the use of spirulina for any indication.
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Very interesting as to interactions.... I have copied this from the link you provided.

Interactions with Drugs
Spirulina may interact with certain drugs taken for immune system disorders, high blood pressure (ACE inhibitors), inflammation, diabetes, high cholesterol, neurologic conditions, and viruses as well as blood thinners and antihistamines.

Spirulina may also interact with drugs taken for weight loss, cancer, heart disorders, and osteoporosis. There is a possible interaction when taking spirulina with drugs that are potentially toxic to the kidney.

Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements
Small increases in calcium levels have been reported, although it is unclear whether this is due to the effects of spirulina alone. Use of spirulina and calcium supplements together may further increase calcium levels.

Spirulina may increase levels of protein, iron, gamma-linolenic fatty acid, carotenoids, vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B12, and vitamin E.

Spirulina may interact with certain dietary supplements taken for immune system disorders, high blood pressure, cancer, weight loss, heart disorders, inflammation, diabetes, high cholesterol, neurologic conditions, blood clots, and viruses. Use cautiously with antihistamines or any herb or supplement that is potentially toxic to the kidney.

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476246 tn?1418870914
Frankly, I don't think there should be a problem with them, as long as you take them 2 hours before or after the riba, just to be sure.

From what I understand, algae are a green food or 'super food'.... NOT a supplement. Just as wheat grass, barley, and the other greens. I haven't made up my mind, if I'm going to take the stem enhance while on tx, as it does NOT seem to just be a green food.... maybe it would be better to wait until UND??? I'm going to try to find out more about the algae before i start tx. I used to take chlorella every day and used to also grow and juice my own wheat grass.

The thing about blue green algae is, that one needs to be sure that it comes from a reliable and non toxic source.

Marcia

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