HR, please comment. PPC-Thyroid

[copyman]

after researching PPC i see that it is a Soy product. there has been some negative things said about Soy and its effect on the thyroid. since HCV can affect the thyroid would adding Soy further damage it? thanks

[Hepatitis Researcher]

veggies and salads contain plant cells, that have a lining of cellulose outside their cell membrane, called the cell wall, therefore they do not easily digest - generating a threedimensional  "labyrinth" of physical blockages, where the digestive enzymes have to work their way around them, causing the delay in the production of the sugar and amino acid monomers. The available carbs from the veggies themselves  are inside these cells, so they are also substantially delayed.
Protein digestion starts in the stomach, major carbohydrate digestion ( with the exception of salival amylase) starts in the small intestines, where the exocrine pancreas delivers the bulk of the digestive enzymes for  proteins, carbs and fats through a common outlet with the bile duct into the duodenum. The small intestines themselves (secreting eg approx 4 liters of digestive fluids/day)  contribute the final enzymes needed to finish the breakdown process to respective monomers. Then the absorption process can start and most all of the material goes directly to the liver.

[scratchinghead]

Hmm. I see. I do look for the least carbs in protein powder. Also, I am wondering: does the embedding have effect in the stomach or in the overall digestive cycle of the item? In other words, if carbs are absorbed in the stomach and quicker than amino acids from protein would it make sense and eat the protein first and then wait (n amount) until it started working before eating the "embedder"?  Same goes in reverse where the protein slows down the GI of the carbs. Does it slow it down in the mouth/stomach after eating or does the protein only starts it's part way down there in lower land?

[Hepatitis Researcher]

With re to the protein source it mostly important that it is "lean" ie not coupled with fat, and also that it is " embedded", which will be the best way to slow its workup in the liver. Taking a protein powder is ok if you do embedd it, whey is fine, but some of the sports protein powders  have a lot of carbs in them, so beware. Once hydrolyzed/digested, all protein  becomes a mix of amino acids, which are then absorbed in the samll intestines. Any difference in the absorption rate would be mainly a difference in the speed of digestibility due to the specificity of the digestive proteases.

Some plant proteins do not have a well balanced mix of amino acids as humans need them, with some "essential" aa missing. Complementing with animal protein helps, but the total amount of the missing aa supplied by "complementation" might not be optimal.

[scratchinghead]

I like the way you say, "be gentle to your liver". I'd tatoo this to my arm except I might get Hepatitis XYZ from the needle.

I was wondering, under this context, about which types of proteins, with regard to protein powder. Reason being it is quickly available in measured quatities. My understanding is that Whey protein is very fast burning not sure about Soy and Hemp and Egg but on the other end my understanding is Cassiene protein powder is the slowest.

Weight lifting crowd reccomends Whey right after a workout because it gets in quick, and they reccommend Casseine at bedtime because it is slower and thus works away and you don't have to get up to drink more.

To summarize: would Casseine be the best protein powder (in a pinch) because it "burns" slower?

[scratchinghead]

I think when he says "Fruits/berries should also be embedded if possible" he means they are full of sugar and should be mixed in with veggies and salads in smaller amounts. Makes sense to me.

[merryBe]

oatmeal is all I eat morning and noon!! Glas to hear thats OK.

speaking of berries, don't they have very highly bioavailable iron?
Ala, sort of red meat style?
I wish there was a list somewhere of how much is absorbed from each source.
I've got lots of list of what is high in iron, but none on how much can be absorbed from these high sources, which varies according to fiber content and such, right?

anyway, in my "juicing days" berry juice and beet juice were considere very high sources,
so shouldn't they be avoided?  And raisins//prunes/tomatoes, how bout them???
Aren't we supposed to avoid excess iron? I've already cut red meat out completely.