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'Healthy Liver 2' - supplements
I'm a geno 1a non-responder to PEG+RBV; minimal damage and decided to wait-n-watch for awhile.
Tallblonde (Susan) published data about a multi-vitamin supplement named "Healthy Liver 2". Does anyone have experience with this product?
I looked it up at www.vitacost.com and found the following:
Description
This product contains numerous minerals, vitamins and herbs that have been shown to optimize liver function and promote detoxification during alcohol consumption. Water-soluble vitamins and electrolyte minerals are included to replenish those lost while consuming alcohol. This product is also excellent for those who want to protect their liver from environmental toxins.
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin C (as calcium ascorbate)(Ester-C
Tallblonde (Susan) published data about a multi-vitamin supplement named "Healthy Liver 2". Does anyone have experience with this product?
I looked it up at www.vitacost.com and found the following:
Description
This product contains numerous minerals, vitamins and herbs that have been shown to optimize liver function and promote detoxification during alcohol consumption. Water-soluble vitamins and electrolyte minerals are included to replenish those lost while consuming alcohol. This product is also excellent for those who want to protect their liver from environmental toxins.
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin C (as calcium ascorbate)(Ester-C
You write: "I would like to see a study like that going on to settle the issue somewhat."
I'm a huge fan of studies; I rely on them to guide me in decision-making about supplements, herbs, vitamins and pharmaceuticals. But as far as "settling the issue" goes, it's pretty much settled in my mind that my approach is worthwhile, safe and effective for ME. After all, that's all that really matters. And, luckily, I can afford it, so what the hell? Even if it's all just one great big placebo effect, who cares? All I know is that every number that's worth measuring (regardless of how much you might want to dismiss their significance) has improved dramatically since I started my alternative regimen.
Please remember the words of that wise sage Califia "...and or both..."
Susan
I'm a huge fan of studies; I rely on them to guide me in decision-making about supplements, herbs, vitamins and pharmaceuticals. But as far as "settling the issue" goes, it's pretty much settled in my mind that my approach is worthwhile, safe and effective for ME. After all, that's all that really matters. And, luckily, I can afford it, so what the hell? Even if it's all just one great big placebo effect, who cares? All I know is that every number that's worth measuring (regardless of how much you might want to dismiss their significance) has improved dramatically since I started my alternative regimen.
Please remember the words of that wise sage Califia "...and or both..."
Susan
the articles at this site offer food for thought
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/quacksell.html
the best way to judge if something will work for the majority, with the same outcome, is a scientific study. If I take a certain supplement and a symptom dissappears, I am going to credit the supplement, if something bad happens, it will get the blame. Am I right? no one knows. It might have happened anyway, regardless. With hep c, you will need to get frequent PCRs prior to the supplement to average the vl, & enzymes levels fluctuations, and do the same after introducing the supplement. A significant variation from the pre supplement #s will give way to further studying.
I would like to see a study like that going on to settle the issue somewhat. On the other hand, it does not matter what the VL is as far as ongoing damage to the liver, according to the available literature, so I guess those would be useless numbers to document.
Whatever makes folks feel better without bodily harm and if they have the money, let them spend it, as long as they know its limitations.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/quacksell.html
the best way to judge if something will work for the majority, with the same outcome, is a scientific study. If I take a certain supplement and a symptom dissappears, I am going to credit the supplement, if something bad happens, it will get the blame. Am I right? no one knows. It might have happened anyway, regardless. With hep c, you will need to get frequent PCRs prior to the supplement to average the vl, & enzymes levels fluctuations, and do the same after introducing the supplement. A significant variation from the pre supplement #s will give way to further studying.
I would like to see a study like that going on to settle the issue somewhat. On the other hand, it does not matter what the VL is as far as ongoing damage to the liver, according to the available literature, so I guess those would be useless numbers to document.
Whatever makes folks feel better without bodily harm and if they have the money, let them spend it, as long as they know its limitations.
and I should also add I'm scared sh*t to take the hep b vaccine again. My doc agrees with me on both counts. LOL.
Prior to the herbal treatment my liver enzumes were less than 50 per cent elevated compared to normal. Within a couple weeks my ALT was 649 and my AST 592. In addition I was experiencing extreme fatigue.
My doc, an experienced heptologist, likened such a sudden and dramatic rise to an acute infection and we both decided to wait until things calmed down. It took about nine months for the enzymes to return to near normal.
In all fairness I should also add that I took the Hep B vaccine around the same time as the herbal supplements. Personally, I believe it may have been the hep b vaccine although my doc said probably not, but we will never know. Perhaps a combination of the two. This is not an exact science.
As far as your nutritional regimen is concerned, if it works for you, great. But now you know why I'm scared sh*t to take any more herbs. LOL.
My doc, an experienced heptologist, likened such a sudden and dramatic rise to an acute infection and we both decided to wait until things calmed down. It took about nine months for the enzymes to return to near normal.
In all fairness I should also add that I took the Hep B vaccine around the same time as the herbal supplements. Personally, I believe it may have been the hep b vaccine although my doc said probably not, but we will never know. Perhaps a combination of the two. This is not an exact science.
As far as your nutritional regimen is concerned, if it works for you, great. But now you know why I'm scared sh*t to take any more herbs. LOL.
By the way, why on Earth did you have to delay treatment for a year because of a spike in liver enzymes? Sounds to me like a good reason to accelerate treatment, not delay it.
Susan
Susan
I appreciate you acknowledging that I wasn't making any claims, because I wasn't. I was simply stating a fact. I have no idea whether or not there's any correlation between the supplements I'm taking and my dramatic, sustained drop in viral load and liver enzymes. But I sure as heck ain't gonna stop taking them.
Susan
Susan
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