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I had a recent emergency hospital visit as I thought I was having chest pain. Pains in the middle of my chest,numb arm, etc. Turns out my liver enzymes were elevated. I had been having lots of other symptoms too, they ran the usual hep. tests and sent me home to await the my reg.doc to call. My liver enzyme tests were so high he was totally expecting hep. But all tests were negative, he did my history which includes some binge drinking but no consistent prob. I use tylenol as a pain reliever but not to excess, never over dosage. I am still feeling unwell and my right side feels bloated all the time, no signs of jaundice, just a lot of tiredness,nausea and dizziness. What could be going on I am not sure how many liver tests there are 4 or 5 but all but one of my tests was highly elevated. I am just all around feeling awful if you could help I would truly appreciate it. I was diagnosed with fibro about 4 years back but now I am beginning to wonder if it might be liver troubles. There have also been lots of other symptoms over the years that no one can explain. Gastro bleeding, etc. Too much to go into.
Thanks
Val
Thanks
Val
What is going on?Tune in today being the 8th and people are posting off never to return,INDY a bad guy?? Would have never guessed.I don't know what's happening,but I do know one thing..no matter how comfy you get with people over the internet ,caution sign should always be on.I hope dear woman that everything is well with you, as you are inspiring.The politics and religion well ,,Idon't even talk to good friends as it's touchy...Take care everyone..Sue
that was funny, I think I was the indian in my plays too...
sioux...I was angry at a state that gave me a hard time 15 yrs ago, and then the election...it made me remember the Ad.
it certainly was the heart of it all that Tuesday, but to me was a day for crying.
the native race from my country IS extinct, the Spanish missionaries saw to that, as they did in many American countries.
Personally, I believe that if we followed the beliefs of many of the original cultures, this would be a better world. It seems that modern man shows no respect for the creatures of the world.
sioux...I was angry at a state that gave me a hard time 15 yrs ago, and then the election...it made me remember the Ad.
it certainly was the heart of it all that Tuesday, but to me was a day for crying.
the native race from my country IS extinct, the Spanish missionaries saw to that, as they did in many American countries.
Personally, I believe that if we followed the beliefs of many of the original cultures, this would be a better world. It seems that modern man shows no respect for the creatures of the world.
Please excuse me for jumping in on your discussion, but I just wanted to tell Sioux that when I was a little kid and people asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, I'd always tell them "I wanna be an Indian when I grow up"!
Sorry, I just had to get that in there...
Jamie
Sorry, I just had to get that in there...
Jamie
Thank you for your reply.
FYI. The only freedoms that we have lost are our land even with the treatys that were signed, much more was taken. Our cultures are very much alive. They are NOT limited. Many NDN's are christian, and Christianity and our beliefs go hand and hand.
The way that you expressed your words could be viewed as derogatory. However, I know that we can not understand everything that is wriiten here. That's why I asked for this to be clarified.
Thanks again.
FYI. The only freedoms that we have lost are our land even with the treatys that were signed, much more was taken. Our cultures are very much alive. They are NOT limited. Many NDN's are christian, and Christianity and our beliefs go hand and hand.
The way that you expressed your words could be viewed as derogatory. However, I know that we can not understand everything that is wriiten here. That's why I asked for this to be clarified.
Thanks again.
it was aimed at Ohio, not the indian.
the 'rep' was dressed in its orlginal ancestors attire. That race is extinct in the sense that it does not exists as it was represented in the ad. the freedoms they possesed, stolen. Their ability to practice their cultural beliefs, limited.
you saw the post as an attack to native ameicans? odd.
the 'rep' was dressed in its orlginal ancestors attire. That race is extinct in the sense that it does not exists as it was represented in the ad. the freedoms they possesed, stolen. Their ability to practice their cultural beliefs, limited.
you saw the post as an attack to native ameicans? odd.
From your post
Tv:
it showed an Indian saying "Ohio, the heart of it all!" I can't remember if that was the one where the indian was crying from the environmental destruction of the state or if that one was a different ad. It was kind of funny to see a "rep" of an extinct race by the 'christianity ministry' endorse the state. the crying indian is more fitting.
Native American Indians are not close to being EXTINCT !!!!
We are over 500 Nations Strong. Our cultures are very much alive.
"Funny to see a "REP" of an EXTINCT RACE endorsing OHIO ??? Please explain..... A crying Indian ??? Yes The NDN nations are sad, We have lost so much over that last several centuries.
There are many Indians that have contributed to the survival of the Europeans and others that came to this country.
So what's up with your comments ??
Tv:
it showed an Indian saying "Ohio, the heart of it all!" I can't remember if that was the one where the indian was crying from the environmental destruction of the state or if that one was a different ad. It was kind of funny to see a "rep" of an extinct race by the 'christianity ministry' endorse the state. the crying indian is more fitting.
Native American Indians are not close to being EXTINCT !!!!
We are over 500 Nations Strong. Our cultures are very much alive.
"Funny to see a "REP" of an EXTINCT RACE endorsing OHIO ??? Please explain..... A crying Indian ??? Yes The NDN nations are sad, We have lost so much over that last several centuries.
There are many Indians that have contributed to the survival of the Europeans and others that came to this country.
So what's up with your comments ??
my mistake: I was meaning "except chevy and vicki", not chevy and layla
I apologize.
I apologize.
No one's second guessing you. Just explaining the difficult position this puts the rest of us in. And I'd still like to know why this scandal is breaking now if it's been so ongoing for so long.
Cuteus, would you mind some company in that corn maze?
Cuteus, would you mind some company in that corn maze?
I can not speak for any others but myself, I have not been solicited in any private emails by Jeff or anyone else. Every private email I've gotten from the male friends on this board have been welcomed and appropriate in their content. those that were spicy, were due to forwarded jokes, and I did not mind them.
This is not to say that things can not happen as mentioned. We have people in the same family that get abused while other members don't, it is documented in criminal records. what makes an abuser choose his victims? I don't know.
Has it happened here? I don't know. All I know it did not, to me. What I wrote and sent to Jeff, was carefully chosen.
I am sure many of our private emails get discussed among other members. I don't care if mine have, there was nothing I would regret sending. I learned from an experience online, not too long ago.
But that is my personal experience with this situation.
I can't say that the women are right or wrong in their impressions. I did not witness what they did, did not read what they read.
In honesty, I have to reserve judgement, because I don't have all the facts from either side.
I can like someone in this forum, without liking their behavior everytime.
I am sorry the women felt the way they did, no one should have to doubt themselves that way.
This is not to say that things can not happen as mentioned. We have people in the same family that get abused while other members don't, it is documented in criminal records. what makes an abuser choose his victims? I don't know.
Has it happened here? I don't know. All I know it did not, to me. What I wrote and sent to Jeff, was carefully chosen.
I am sure many of our private emails get discussed among other members. I don't care if mine have, there was nothing I would regret sending. I learned from an experience online, not too long ago.
But that is my personal experience with this situation.
I can't say that the women are right or wrong in their impressions. I did not witness what they did, did not read what they read.
In honesty, I have to reserve judgement, because I don't have all the facts from either side.
I can like someone in this forum, without liking their behavior everytime.
I am sorry the women felt the way they did, no one should have to doubt themselves that way.
I have rushed to judgment and wish to apologize for my earlier crack suggested Ginrich-like behavior on the part of someone about whose private life I actually don't have a clue.
Indiana has my email address and has never harassed me or abused my trust. He has brought me nothing but comfort and delight on this board w/ his jokes and silliness.
Discrepancy between public persona and private behavior? Very possible, indeed, but all I can do is judge is public behavior, and Indy's has been impeccable. Unrelentingly positive, which is a real asset on a support board.
You see, I was swayed by Chev's moving, is somewhat incoherent account, and assumed that something indeed must have happened to prompt such an awkward outpouring. But again, could it not have been dealt with in private? Had Indiana's continuing participation on this board made Chev so uncomfortable she would have withdrawn a long time ago, but she certainly did not. When I recently posted about a physical problem in "Rash Behavior," and Chev took it upon herself to notify Indiana to check in with me. This was only last week, fer hevvin's sake. What the heck is going on here?
Scott, I understand your reluctance to name names, but you are expecting the rest of us to exile someone merely on the basis of innuendo and supposition. If a group of victimized women were to come forward and directly state what has been going on, that would be another story altogether. But until that happens, hearsay is just not good enough, and I publically apologize for having jumped on this bandwagon.
Indiana has my email address and has never harassed me or abused my trust. He has brought me nothing but comfort and delight on this board w/ his jokes and silliness.
Discrepancy between public persona and private behavior? Very possible, indeed, but all I can do is judge is public behavior, and Indy's has been impeccable. Unrelentingly positive, which is a real asset on a support board.
You see, I was swayed by Chev's moving, is somewhat incoherent account, and assumed that something indeed must have happened to prompt such an awkward outpouring. But again, could it not have been dealt with in private? Had Indiana's continuing participation on this board made Chev so uncomfortable she would have withdrawn a long time ago, but she certainly did not. When I recently posted about a physical problem in "Rash Behavior," and Chev took it upon herself to notify Indiana to check in with me. This was only last week, fer hevvin's sake. What the heck is going on here?
Scott, I understand your reluctance to name names, but you are expecting the rest of us to exile someone merely on the basis of innuendo and supposition. If a group of victimized women were to come forward and directly state what has been going on, that would be another story altogether. But until that happens, hearsay is just not good enough, and I publically apologize for having jumped on this bandwagon.
My regards to the other MEN on this board who can recognize sexual predation and will speak out. My pity to anyone who thinks that these women invited this on themselves by simply being too open about their feelings on tx. Frank
Answer YOU.
Your post above are tantamount to the abusers defence of "well she was asking for it".
I applaud you for beliieving that sisters can be strong however part of that strength is in helping and protecting the vulnerable or foolish from the pedetory.
Some people male or female need support and that will sometimes be because they have made big mistakes.
S Hall
Your post above are tantamount to the abusers defence of "well she was asking for it".
I applaud you for beliieving that sisters can be strong however part of that strength is in helping and protecting the vulnerable or foolish from the pedetory.
Some people male or female need support and that will sometimes be because they have made big mistakes.
S Hall
You make some very valid points. Those who are crying "foul" routinely engage in sexually provacative banter -- especially on Lou's board. Come'on...everyone knows you should be cautious when it comes to Internet relationships.
These accusers, in my opinion, make women look stupid -- as if we're too feeble-minded and naive to prevent ourselves from being victimized. If some private discussions got out of line, the women involved should have simply told the guy, privately, to take a hike. And I'm not buying the excuse that treatment clouded their judgment. Sheeh.
This has finally convinced me to bail for good, too. An otherwise great resource has been ruined by a small clique of idiots who love high drama.
Susan
These accusers, in my opinion, make women look stupid -- as if we're too feeble-minded and naive to prevent ourselves from being victimized. If some private discussions got out of line, the women involved should have simply told the guy, privately, to take a hike. And I'm not buying the excuse that treatment clouded their judgment. Sheeh.
This has finally convinced me to bail for good, too. An otherwise great resource has been ruined by a small clique of idiots who love high drama.
Susan
Depends what you mean by harm eh? As you sat for some as yoursrlf it's eay to disengage with someone at anytime bit iwould argue that for others it is more difficult and as has been pointed out many are made more vulnerable by the drugs that they are currently px.
I find it difficult to except that anyone posting can be either a coward or brave due to the anonymous nature of cyberspace. That does not however exclude the potential for harm that can be done psychologically.
I do some of my work in a secure unit populated on the whole by people with the diagnosis of personality disorder who have committed what in the UK are called "Index" offences.This may include violence to the person and on occassion what you in the US would deam "stalking".
Guess what they have no accsess to the internet or telephones.
Why? Because the ability to stimulate themselves by mentaly abusing others is amazing. In one incident one pattient aquired a walky-talky and managed to contact/lure some kids in the local area(**it hit fan).
I don't mean to be putdownish but do not under-estimate the ability of those with strong preditory instincts around the vulnerable.
As for slander or libel how can this be when the people invlved are anonymous.
SH
I find it difficult to except that anyone posting can be either a coward or brave due to the anonymous nature of cyberspace. That does not however exclude the potential for harm that can be done psychologically.
I do some of my work in a secure unit populated on the whole by people with the diagnosis of personality disorder who have committed what in the UK are called "Index" offences.This may include violence to the person and on occassion what you in the US would deam "stalking".
Guess what they have no accsess to the internet or telephones.
Why? Because the ability to stimulate themselves by mentaly abusing others is amazing. In one incident one pattient aquired a walky-talky and managed to contact/lure some kids in the local area(**it hit fan).
I don't mean to be putdownish but do not under-estimate the ability of those with strong preditory instincts around the vulnerable.
As for slander or libel how can this be when the people invlved are anonymous.
SH
Do you mean to tell me that Indy did something so horrible and manipulative that a simple
MajNeni, I'm with you, I am out of here to. This was a good site for support in 02 when I came here. Thats right, HEPC SUPPORT. Not someone's rambling's about this or that. Have Fun, pick each other apart, complain about every little thing you can think of.Thats what you all do best.
Hey Rev, I will never deny saying to bomb Iran.. If they are defiant, and want to do harm to other countries, what options are we left with?? Should we wait until they use a nuke?? Should we just allow them to stand on there border and flick off the UN, and America?? You support allies, and the UN, but they are defying them.
As far as a speach, are you that close minded?? Why is it so hard to except the leader that the American people came out voted for. Are you that anti-american, where you would turn your back to democracy?? If you are sooo concerned about the wealthfare of Americans, and all people, why not support and work together? How can there EVER be peace, when there are close minded people like you allowed to run free?? The phsycosis in America was well defined in blue, and continues to jeopardize the security and wellfare of our nation today..
As far as a speach, are you that close minded?? Why is it so hard to except the leader that the American people came out voted for. Are you that anti-american, where you would turn your back to democracy?? If you are sooo concerned about the wealthfare of Americans, and all people, why not support and work together? How can there EVER be peace, when there are close minded people like you allowed to run free?? The phsycosis in America was well defined in blue, and continues to jeopardize the security and wellfare of our nation today..
The above post is just typical.The who thenby thing was just a joke people were really angry that someone they did not trust was allowed to spout whilst they were censored until the aner got to fierce for the forum. My memory of it was that it seemed like one long attempt at advertising and triggered tons of resentment and it might have been a lot easier to ask thenby to just leave it.
The idea that peoples views about indy are just grudges is in the end plain daft. I have no contact outside of these forums with Rev Viki Chev and yet i managed to find plenty to support my concerns.
"I'm glad you are seeing all the "behind the scenes stuff for what it is......just a load of ****. Vicki (befuddled...and the 2 or 3 other names she uses) is WAY lost in the Meds right now. It's sad to watch. She has decided that I am the "Great Satan" or something close and has been attacking me with a vengence. She left Med Hep after Cindy there asked her to stop attacking me and some others. But she has continued her attacks and rumors behind the scenes there at Lous and over at Hot Heps. She was sending me some very threatening e-mails for about 2 weeks until I finally had to block her e-mail from my account. I have to protect my family from that kind of person....so I will not deal with her again"
This is nothing compared to more disturbing stuff used elsewhere in e-mails some reveling in having saved "every post by females".
I remember warning a newbie that there are plenty of snakes in the grass in cyberspace. I for one have fired off some pretty nasty stuff when i get angry but don't have any bad intention beyond that. Some do. Please don't be nieve.
SH
The idea that peoples views about indy are just grudges is in the end plain daft. I have no contact outside of these forums with Rev Viki Chev and yet i managed to find plenty to support my concerns.
"I'm glad you are seeing all the "behind the scenes stuff for what it is......just a load of ****. Vicki (befuddled...and the 2 or 3 other names she uses) is WAY lost in the Meds right now. It's sad to watch. She has decided that I am the "Great Satan" or something close and has been attacking me with a vengence. She left Med Hep after Cindy there asked her to stop attacking me and some others. But she has continued her attacks and rumors behind the scenes there at Lous and over at Hot Heps. She was sending me some very threatening e-mails for about 2 weeks until I finally had to block her e-mail from my account. I have to protect my family from that kind of person....so I will not deal with her again"
This is nothing compared to more disturbing stuff used elsewhere in e-mails some reveling in having saved "every post by females".
I remember warning a newbie that there are plenty of snakes in the grass in cyberspace. I for one have fired off some pretty nasty stuff when i get angry but don't have any bad intention beyond that. Some do. Please don't be nieve.
SH
I can't believe this thread at all. Seems to me almost everyone here has gone bonkers. What sort of character assassination is going on here?
Let me get this off my chest, too, while I'm at it. Thanbey was already studying HepC treatments ten years ago, when most of the people on this board had never even heard of it. I read some of her posts back in the mid 90's, searching for answers. She did not make false claims here, but presented many factors that people should consider before committing to tx. She did not profit from her participation on this board; others have given links to their sites as well. Deciding to Tx requires taking as many factors as possible into consideration; Thanbey was persecuted because she told people to really think about it, including potential long term effects of tx. The crusade against Thanbey really turned me off, and it still does; in fact, it got this forum turned off. Scott, you turned on me about that, about why I didn't criticize her; well, here you go, I did not agree with you.
Doing Tx is a personal choice most of us made; some people choose not to tx. Tx does not work for everyone, we've seen that.
Scott, Vicky, I know you've been at odds with Indiana. I happen to have independently thought you crossed the line lots of times here on the forum when you were in the midst of tx; many do, but you, Scott, were all but obcessive. You provoked, you kept on visiting old issues. It was painful to read. I agree with your politics, etc., but here on the board, I do not read people the same way you do. I have had some personal contact with Jeff, and I totally disagree with your statements above about him. He has done nothing but help me through treatment, and that is what he has done for most people here. Chevy, I am surprised that you have joined in this foray; you know how to reach me.
This oldie is out of here. Some of you are probably glad, and won't miss me. To the rest of you, whom I think of as friends, I wish you the best with your treatment, and may you all be rid of Hepatitis, may you have easy side effects, may you attain SVR. Those who know me, contact me directly if you wish to stay in touch.
I do believe this will end the run of the SVR bus, so we will not be needing another driver. We have reached the terminal; everybody off. Fend for yourselves, without this and the many other images we have projected to help people laugh and stay positive. Derail, good luck; I hope no one turns on you.
Maj Neni
Let me get this off my chest, too, while I'm at it. Thanbey was already studying HepC treatments ten years ago, when most of the people on this board had never even heard of it. I read some of her posts back in the mid 90's, searching for answers. She did not make false claims here, but presented many factors that people should consider before committing to tx. She did not profit from her participation on this board; others have given links to their sites as well. Deciding to Tx requires taking as many factors as possible into consideration; Thanbey was persecuted because she told people to really think about it, including potential long term effects of tx. The crusade against Thanbey really turned me off, and it still does; in fact, it got this forum turned off. Scott, you turned on me about that, about why I didn't criticize her; well, here you go, I did not agree with you.
Doing Tx is a personal choice most of us made; some people choose not to tx. Tx does not work for everyone, we've seen that.
Scott, Vicky, I know you've been at odds with Indiana. I happen to have independently thought you crossed the line lots of times here on the forum when you were in the midst of tx; many do, but you, Scott, were all but obcessive. You provoked, you kept on visiting old issues. It was painful to read. I agree with your politics, etc., but here on the board, I do not read people the same way you do. I have had some personal contact with Jeff, and I totally disagree with your statements above about him. He has done nothing but help me through treatment, and that is what he has done for most people here. Chevy, I am surprised that you have joined in this foray; you know how to reach me.
This oldie is out of here. Some of you are probably glad, and won't miss me. To the rest of you, whom I think of as friends, I wish you the best with your treatment, and may you all be rid of Hepatitis, may you have easy side effects, may you attain SVR. Those who know me, contact me directly if you wish to stay in touch.
I do believe this will end the run of the SVR bus, so we will not be needing another driver. We have reached the terminal; everybody off. Fend for yourselves, without this and the many other images we have projected to help people laugh and stay positive. Derail, good luck; I hope no one turns on you.
Maj Neni
And I say that any guy(snake) that preys on vulnernable women had best consider the men that are noticing and considering action!
"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"
Live and let live, and move forward!! We all know, the only way to get on with life, and get stonger, is to LEARN from our mistakes..
So as I look at all these posts, and all these accusations, I just say, " Forgive them Father, For they know not what they do"..
We say that Americans are a violent people by nature, but VIOLENCE is a part of history.. Some of the bloodiest wars ever where fought in Europe, and the middle east.. The race has nothing to do with it, it is the SPECIES!!! Conflict is always inevitable.. Just look at the forum.. With all the GOOD intentions, and all the support, look at the CONFLICT.. People try so hard sometimes to do what they feel is THEIR responsibility, that they forget the harm that they might be inflicting on another.
" Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"..
Live and let live, and move forward!! We all know, the only way to get on with life, and get stonger, is to LEARN from our mistakes..
So as I look at all these posts, and all these accusations, I just say, " Forgive them Father, For they know not what they do"..
We say that Americans are a violent people by nature, but VIOLENCE is a part of history.. Some of the bloodiest wars ever where fought in Europe, and the middle east.. The race has nothing to do with it, it is the SPECIES!!! Conflict is always inevitable.. Just look at the forum.. With all the GOOD intentions, and all the support, look at the CONFLICT.. People try so hard sometimes to do what they feel is THEIR responsibility, that they forget the harm that they might be inflicting on another.
" Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do"..
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