Pregnancy Can Be Good for Women with HCV

[Tallblonde]

Thursday, October 16, 2003
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Pregnancy and subsequent delivery may help women with chronic hepatitis C clear the virus from their blood, new research suggests.

Hepatitis C is a liver disease caused by infection with the hepatis C virus (HCV), which is spread through contact in some way with contaminated blood. In most patients, the virus is never completely cleared from the body and, after many years of infection, serious liver problems, such as scarring and cancer, can occur.

The new findings, which are reported in the Journal of Medical Virology, are based on a study of 22 pregnant and 120 non-pregnant women with chronic hepatitis C.In the pregnant group, two women permanently cleared HCV from their blood after delivery and one women temporarily cleared the virus, Dr. Masashi Mizokami, from Nagoya City University Graduate School of Medical Sciences in Japan, and colleagues report.In contrast, in the non-pregnant group, one woman cleared HCV permanently and another cleared it intermittently.

Considering the size of both groups, this means that 14 percent of pregnant women cleared the virus, compared with only 2 percent of non-pregnant women."The mechanism by which pregnancy and delivery influence HCV (blood levels) is not well understood," the authors note in their article in the Journal of Medical Virology. However, it may be relate to differences in how the immune system works during pregnancy compared with other times.  Taken together, the findings suggest that "pregnancy and (delivery) may improve the prognosis in women" with chronic HCV.

[GwithHepC]

I am sorry your fourth child is not feeling well.  If it makes you feel better you should get him retested.  It couldn't hurt.  My advice is get a qualitative pcr test if you can; the result will be either negative or positive.  I hope your little one begins to feel better real soon.  I know some people who had all sorts of health problems as kids and now they hardly ever get sick.

[mumovsix]

i found out i was hep c pos thre months ago i have been on an emotional rollercoaster since but by far the hardest part was having my six children tested very very luckly they all tested nagative but my fourth child has had health problems since i can remeber his weight is up and down always got rashes and diarroea and the medical team have never been able to find anything wrong he is six and weighs28lb eats like a horse i think that tells me there is something wrong upon reading your posts i am very much considering getting him retested just to lay it to rest i would certainly advise anyone who has that instinct to follow it god bless you all you have helped me so much recently knowledge is power

[fullofhope]

My doctor said it could be that my "chemistry" is just triggering the test or that I had it - and cleared on my own.  My father-in-law tests positive for tuburculosis all the time - so I guess it is possible.  To tell you the truth - I have no idea and I don't think he (the doctor) does either.  All other tests indicated we shouldn't worry at this point.  Liver enzymes weren't raised...etc.

I will keep everyone informed.

[berlynn]

Please don't worry about our worrying!!!! I have always been a worrier, it's my personality. When it comes to my children I always feel that it is better to be safe than sorry. Thanks for the heads up.      berlynn

[Tallblonde]

Are you one of those lucky people who cleared the virus on your own without treatment?  

Regarding our local clinic....after their slip up, we've lost all confidence in them and have already decided that we'll use another one (in a different state) if we move forward with pursuing a pregnancy.

Let us know if how your IVF procedure turns out.  I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for a positive result!

Susan

[GwithHepC]

ral:  Thank you for your kind words and prayers!

berlynn, baby4cakes:  I am sorry if my story has caused you any concern about your children.  Despite my experience, the test seems to have a very low false-negative rate, so your children are almost certainly fine.  In my opinion, and I am not a doctor, expert, or researcher, the test has a bit of a higher false-negative then is often reported.  And again, that is only my OPINION based on MY experience.  The tip off for me was my daugher's liver enzymes were elevated when I got the negative result.  Her liver enzymes could have been elevated by many things, but it was just a little too suspicious for me.  In the absense of other clues, like I had, I really wouldn't be concerned.  If you were to ask me, I would say get them tested again if it would give you peace of mind, but only because I don't think it could hurt, not because I think there is any significant chance their first tests were wrong.  So please, please don't worry!!  I am sure if you were to ask a lotto winner what your chances of hitting the jackpot is they would say "excellent."  Just because it happened to someone else doesn't mean there is even a remote chance it can happen to you.  And this is coming from a neurotic hypochondriac!  Good luck if you do play though! And keep me in mind ;-)

[fullofhope]

I know I responded to you yesterday...don't know where that post it though.

Basically the reason I was asking was because I knew you had said you went through IVF - and typically they check for HEPC during the preliminary testing.  I was curious if your doctor did.

My husband and I found out during our IVF preliminary testing.  Further testing seemed to indicate that I am not currently infected and we are starting our treatment within two weeks.  I will be doing some follow up blood work just to confirm the negative results, but as far as the doctor is concerned I have nothing to worry about.

This forum was a blessing.

As far as your IVF doctors...I would consider finding another if I were you - if his staff "overlooked" the pos hepc result - what else are they not on top of?

Keep us up to date on what you decide to do regarding TX and IVF.

[Tallblonde]

Thank you all for your encouragement and support. Willing...I really appeciate the link you provided.  I'm gathering that kind of information in order to make an informed decision.

I also want to issue a public apology to New Sorjourn for my "Riba Rage" comment.  If I thought that someone was using a child for selfish purposes, I would be angry, too.  I'm sorry for reacting so strongly to your post.

Have a great day everyone.

Susan

[berlynn]

I am sorry to hear about both of your daughters.I was so worried for my kids, when I found out that I had HepC and they might have gotten it from me as well.After reading your story, travelmom, I feel like taking them in for a second opinion to make sure that they did not have a false/negative result as well. I have dealt with stitches,broken bones and hearts, raging hormones, and the "ask a teen while they still know everything" syndrome. Last week I held my 3 yr old grandson while they stitched his chin just like I did for his mom when she was 3. Now I feel bad for that moment when I told her "Just wait until you have kids, I hope they are just like you." At the time, I wasn't talking about her beautiful blonde hair and green eyes. I don't know how I could handle it if I found that one of my kids had a serious illness, especially if they got it from me. I think as moms, we do what we have to do. I think everyone here is in the process of learning how precious life really is. Thank you for sharing your stories with us. It amazes me, the human capacity to continue to give even when you think there is nothing left to give. God Bless.             berlynn

[baby4cakes]

HI JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I JUST HAD MY 4 YR OLD DAUGHTER TESTED 2 WKS AGO JUST GOT THE LETTER IN THE MAIL FROM THE DOCTOR.GREAT NEWS NO HEP C YEAH!THANK YOU GOD.I DID'NT WANT HER TO GO THOUGHT ALL OF THIS FOR SOMETHING A DID YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WANT I WOULD HAVE DONE.WELL I'M OFF TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE TODAY TO LEARN HOW TO POKE. DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO GET MY 1ST SHOT THERE OR DO IT MYSELF AT HOME.I'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW IT GOES.
      MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH BOTH GIRLS.
                GOD BLESS US ALL
                ----------------        
  

  P.S. DO YOU THINK I SHOULD HAVE HER TESTED AGAIN ??????

[berlynn]

I was diagnosed w HC last November after a physical of which my husband demanded because he felt that I was premenopausal. Honestly, he just could not admit responsibility for pi***** me off. I couldn't possibly be angry at something he might have done. Anyway, I talked my dr into letting me wait until June to start treatments as I am a teacher and wanted to finish out the year with my kiddos. I decided to take a year off from teaching so as not to inflict my students with riba rage, and brain fog. I can see it now, in front of the class, "Now what was I saying?
I forgot, let's just have recess."
Anyway, when I was first diagnosed, I panicked. I have three beautiful children and two even more beautiful grandchildren, and I have worked with children for several years. I was soooo scared, did my kids have it? my grandbabies? could I infect them or my students? I wanted to die. My doctor eplained to me that as long as I was careful, my students were safe. As I have probably been infected either from a transfusion when I was 10 or a boyfriend when I was 18. I have had this awful thing in my life for up to 36 years. My kids are 23, 20, and 12. They all tested negative. And I was definately, unwittingly a HC kinda gal through all of their births and subsequent year long nursings. However I was lucky enough to have no problems with nursing. I can't tell you how much pleasure, (as well as pain and worry, of course) I recieve from my children and grandchildren. I grew up with a Kidney disease and was told I would never be able to carry a pregnancy to term. Thank goodness they were wrong. Subsequently, my 2cts is for you and your partner to discuss all of the knowledge you glean, and then follow your heart. Personally, prayers and my loved ones are the direction and meaning in my life.
                                 berlynn

[katch20]

The chances of giving hcv to your baby is actually closer to 3%.  Have a baby for the love of God.  Some day you'll look back at this hcv mess as a distant memory.  You'll be fine, your baby will be fine.  Have faith.  I have three-- all hcv free, and my gi said go ahead and have a fourth..... hands are already too full, but have your baby-- don't worry or you'll have a harder time conceiving.

[GwithHepC]

NO ONE advocated pregnancy for the SOLE reason of improving hepatitis c. Of course having a child to improve your hepatitis c would be selfish.  That would be having a child for all the wrong reasons.  What is most disturbing about this disease is the difficulty in determining who will progress, who will respond to treatment, who will die of it, or who will die of something else.  These decisions/outcomes are highly individual and variable.  All available information has to be taken into consideration, as well as individual analysis of the risks involved in any decisions made.  Every day people decide to have children when cancer, diabetes, and a whole host of diseases run in their family.  Should we tell a person with a family history of diabetes whose child develops the illness that they were playing God in having that child to begin with?  Not too long ago many women and/or children died during childbirth itself; was it selfish for them to become pregnant?  My daughter is highly creative, beautiful and intelligent (of course I am bias), despite my having hep c while pregnant; she was certainly not robbed of nutrients or love, and I had been infected for 24 years before I became pregnant with her.  To play God is to decide who deserves to live.  To play God is to decide that being alive with an illness makes your life less valuable.  There are many people with chronic illnesses and disabilities who contribute greatly to the world; if we could have known there was a chance they might be born with an illness, should we have chosen for them not to exist at all?  No one was playing God.  It is HUMAN to want to nurture and love a child, even if there is a chance that child may not be "perfect;" and who among us can claim to be perfect?

[GwithHepC]

Travelmom:

I am so, so sorry about Amanda.  We emailed eachother briefly a couple of months ago, and I look for your posts to see how Amanda is doing.  I understand your reasoning, and certainly take it to heart.  I will definately keep in mind your experience when making my decision.  It seems like either way you turn there are potential pitfalls.  Please know you and Amanda are always in my prayers, and I think of you often.

[katch20]

The chances of giving hcv to your baby is actually closer to 3%.  Have a baby for the love of God.  Some day you'll look back at this hcv mess as a distant memory.  You'll be fine, your baby will be fine.  Have faith.  I have three-- all hcv free, and my gi said go ahead and have a fourth..... hands are already too full, but have your baby-- don't worry or you'll have a harder time conceiving.

[TravelGrl]

Just wanted to tell you that my 15 year old daughter also has hep c.  Transmitted from me to her at birth.  She had a very benign case until she turned 11.  From that point on her progression took off.  She is now stage 4, cirrhosis and not responding to any treatment.  My advise to you, treat her even if her biopsy shows a mild case.  Chances of responding are better when you have a milder case.  You never know what her future will bring.  I too said by the time Amanda turned 18 there will be better, less toxic treatments available and chose to wait...not knowing she would get so sick.  Grab whats available now and cure her if you can.. Statistics say children do much better with the virus...not in our case.  so you really are taking a chance with waiting...Just my experience.  Don't want to scare you, just want to let you know there are exceptions to the "norm". Let us know what you decide and I hope you both stay well.
Best Wishes
Jodi

[ral]

travelmom, GwithHepC

This situation must be so hard for you gals and making the right choice is a very tough task. I pray for both of you and your daughters.

New Sojurn I think Susan, from what I have read recently is in a tough situation. She just found out about having Hep c and I don't know about you but when I heard I had it I waited almost 2 yrs to deal with it. I was in good physical shape and had everything going for me. Looking back I think I was in denial. Susan has been trying to have a child for awhile now, so like the song says "You Can't Change Horses In The Middle Of The Stream". Well I say it's hard to stop them at least! I am sure she will make the most thoughtful discion.


GOD BLESS all of us for trying to deal with our disease and our individual difficult life situations.

Bob

[Eyedeas]

Just a reminder of the other site when threads get full here.

http://groups.msn.com/HotHeps/messages.msnw

It's mainly people from this site who started it and it's gotten pretty quiet.

Don't forget

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hepsongs/

for copies of Friday Fight Songs and songs by other Heppers as well.

Kim

[cloudless]

When I found out I had hep c my doctors told me it was fine to have a baby-the risk is so low. Because of my age, the lenght of this treatment and the wait time after treatment I wasn't sure what to do. We left it up to God and I got pregnant immediately. It was the best thing we've ever done.

[willing]

Susan, here's a recent <a href="http://hepatology2.aasldjournals.org/scripts/om.dll/serve?action=searchDB&searchDBfor=art&artType=fullfree&id=ajhep036s106">review</a>  regarding maternal transmission. A fair bit of it is devoted to the public health question of antibody testing (cheap) vs viral detection (expensive) which is not relevant since you already know you're carrying the virus.  Still, the summary of transmission risk culled from recent studies (Table 2) should be on point. It also looks like the   likelihood of resolution in the infant, if they become infected, is pretty high.

[Tallblonde]

Wow, you've got a lot to deal with.  My thoughts and prayers are with you and your daughter.  Good luck with your appointment on Thursday.  Please let us know how it goes.  

Susan

[Tallblonde]

I think you need to read some of my recent posts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion that I plan to use pregnancy as a "cure" for my HCV.  

I've been trying to get pregnant for the past 30 months (prior to learning just last month that I have HCV).  I've had five pregnancies that ended in miscarriage and one adoption that fell through when the birth mother changed her mind about giving up her newborn.  My motivation to get pregnant or to adopt is no different than what motivates most other human beings: I want to love and nuture a child.  

How horribly mean-spirited of you to call me selfish when you don't know a damn thing about me or my history.  My GI is recommending that I continue my plans for becoming pregnant and I was simply pondering that possibility with the help of some of the folks here.    I've made no final decisions.  I'm an intelligent, responsible person who would certainly consider all issues and risks before doing ANYTHING.  

Take your RIBA rage out on someone else.

Susan

[Tallblonde]

Like many people, I discovered I had Hep C (last month) through a routine exam required by a life insurance application.  I assumed it was a false positive at first, because I knew that my fertility clinic had given me an HCV test back in March 2003, prior to my embryo transfer procedure.  But when I called the clinic to re-confirm that, they said...."oh my goodness, somehow we must have missed it.  Upon closer inspection of your lab report, you did test positive for Hepatitis C back in March."  That was my first lesson in the importance of requesting copies of all lab reports. Arggh!

Susan

[new-sojourn]

I was infected via transfusion during my 1st c-section, and had my daughter 6yrs latern not knowing I was infected..  Frankly, that's when my hep c took off.  Looking back, all symptoms were attributed to other causes or were to vauge to classify.

Now, you have something else to think about.  Your hep c could get much, much worse not better.  Also, you are going into this knowing you're seriously ill and will be diverting available nutrients from the child to your self.  So the child is already at a disadvantage even before its born.

How SELFISH is that?  What do you say to the kid, 'Sorry your IQ is borderline, b/MY HEALTH was the only reason you were conceived."

What if you get worse, 'Sorry, you failed to heal me, to bad about your problems, b/your just a failed experiment anyway!'

Some times there are stupid sh-- on this forum, b/conceiving to cure is the worst ever.

You have a better chance of cl by smokin' pot.  Statistically, the odds are higher and you're not playing GOD!