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Vitamin E can help your liver
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/04/vitamin-e-helps-nonalcoholic-fatty-liver-disease.html
On my last visit to the doc he rec 400 units of vitamin E.
On my last visit to the doc he rec 400 units of vitamin E.
I've read somewhere that Vit C is not a good thing for people with Chronic liver disease. Don't remember the exact reason, it somehow facilitates damage I think.
I'll see if I can find some info.
I'll see if I can find some info.
Judy, here's a very heated thread that shows how different our views are. I'm glad it's still standing without too much whitewash, although if I remember, some posts were taken down:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Hepatitis-C/HRs-supplements-plus-other-anti-fibrotics/show/1060347
Also, be careful about your source for milk thistle. Some sources are either contaminated or not of a strength they claim.
I'm just don't like taking vitamins but that's me. I'm not disciplined or trustful enough of those little bottles.
Susan
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Hepatitis-C/HRs-supplements-plus-other-anti-fibrotics/show/1060347
Also, be careful about your source for milk thistle. Some sources are either contaminated or not of a strength they claim.
I'm just don't like taking vitamins but that's me. I'm not disciplined or trustful enough of those little bottles.
Susan
here is the article from John Hopkins:
Johns Hopkins Health Alert
Update: Antioxidants and Prostate Cancer Prevention
Comments (2)
What's the latest thinking on antioxidants, like vitamin E and selenium, and prostate cancer prevention? Johns Hopkins experts look at clinical trials data and provide bottom line advice.
Investigators have theorized that certain antioxidants, like vitamin E, might inhibit the growth of cancer cells. In the 1990s, two trials opened up the possibility that taking antioxidant supplements such as selenium and vitamin E might reduce the risk of prostate cancer. These tantalizing findings led to two large, randomized, controlled trials -- both of which had disappointing results.
The Selenium and Vitamin E Cancer Prevention Trial (SELECT), which is the largest cancer prevention trial ever conducted, randomized more than 35,000 men aged 50 or older to receive either 200 mcg of selenium, 400 IU of vitamin E, a combination of both, or a placebo.
After an average of four to seven years, men taking the supplements were no less likely to have prostate cancer than those taking the placebo. In fact, the men in the vitamin E group were slightly more likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer -- although the difference was so small that it could have been due to chance. In addition, those on selenium were more likely to develop diabetes. Thus, the study was stopped early.
In the Physicians' Health Study (PHS) II, nearly 15,000 male physicians were randomized to receive 400 IU of vitamin E every other day, 500 mg of vitamin C every day, or a placebo. After an average follow up of eight years, nearly 2,000 men had been diagnosed with cancer. About half of those diagnoses were for prostate cancer.
The researchers found that a diagnosis of prostate cancer or cancer in general was just as common among people taking vitamin E or C as it was among those taking a placebo. The complete findings from both studies were published in JAMA -- The Journal of the American Medical Association.
Researchers are not sure why SELECT and PHS II produced such disappointing results; however, it appears that no single agent, in isolation, is likely to prevent prostate cancer. The idea that a micronutrient taken in pill form might reduce the risk of prostate cancer is probably simplistic. In addition, this view ignores the possibility that it is a combination of important elements present in a healthy diet that might be the key to reducing the risk of cancer.
Our advice: Do not take antioxidant supplements in hopes of preventing prostate cancer. However, a multivitamin may be appropriate for some people when taken under the direction of their primary care physician.
Johns Hopkins Health Alert
Update: Antioxidants and Prostate Cancer Prevention
Comments (2)
What's the latest thinking on antioxidants, like vitamin E and selenium, and prostate cancer prevention? Johns Hopkins experts look at clinical trials data and provide bottom line advice.
Investigators have theorized that certain antioxidants, like vitamin E, might inhibit the growth of cancer cells. In the 1990s, two trials opened up the possibility that taking antioxidant supplements such as selenium and vitamin E might reduce the risk of prostate cancer. These tantalizing findings led to two large, randomized, controlled trials -- both of which had disappointing results.
The Selenium and Vitamin E Cancer Prevention Trial (SELECT), which is the largest cancer prevention trial ever conducted, randomized more than 35,000 men aged 50 or older to receive either 200 mcg of selenium, 400 IU of vitamin E, a combination of both, or a placebo.
After an average of four to seven years, men taking the supplements were no less likely to have prostate cancer than those taking the placebo. In fact, the men in the vitamin E group were slightly more likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer -- although the difference was so small that it could have been due to chance. In addition, those on selenium were more likely to develop diabetes. Thus, the study was stopped early.
In the Physicians' Health Study (PHS) II, nearly 15,000 male physicians were randomized to receive 400 IU of vitamin E every other day, 500 mg of vitamin C every day, or a placebo. After an average follow up of eight years, nearly 2,000 men had been diagnosed with cancer. About half of those diagnoses were for prostate cancer.
The researchers found that a diagnosis of prostate cancer or cancer in general was just as common among people taking vitamin E or C as it was among those taking a placebo. The complete findings from both studies were published in JAMA -- The Journal of the American Medical Association.
Researchers are not sure why SELECT and PHS II produced such disappointing results; however, it appears that no single agent, in isolation, is likely to prevent prostate cancer. The idea that a micronutrient taken in pill form might reduce the risk of prostate cancer is probably simplistic. In addition, this view ignores the possibility that it is a combination of important elements present in a healthy diet that might be the key to reducing the risk of cancer.
Our advice: Do not take antioxidant supplements in hopes of preventing prostate cancer. However, a multivitamin may be appropriate for some people when taken under the direction of their primary care physician.
Sorry not related to HCV but important to us men. Vit E was once thought of an important supplement to preventr Prostate cancer. Then this just came out from John Hopkins. Who really knows what is good or bad for you. One study seems to contradict the other.
Just great. I'll stick with 1000 vit C, 1000 milk thistle, my multi, calcium, 200 vit E. I'll wait for my new doc who I see in October. Frankly I trust this site more then my last doc.
Thanks all. Just wanting to keep the liver as healthy as possible until the new med. What do you advise?
Thanks all. Just wanting to keep the liver as healthy as possible until the new med. What do you advise?
i would be carefull of vit E. i dont have a study as posted above but i have read plenty about it too much is bad, i would nt go mad on vit c either
Hi Judy,
Not sure about your doc advising Vitamin E, so maybe check out this article as well as what HR siad:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html
"by Hepatitis Researcher, Apr 21, 2010 09:30PM
To: smaug
Regarding the effect of Vitamin E as investigated in the above article: the fivefold increase in replication intensity was achieved at concentrations of Vitamin E that can be expected to occur after supplementation with reasonable amounts, say 300mg. One can only assume they used alpha tocopherol, the method section did not further define the actual substance used beyond the term "Vit E".
Assuming that the replicon model used reflects the situation in vivo in other respects, one would expect that the VL in patients using Vit E would increase, but this is far from certain.
One also wonders about the mechanisms in place. HCV exerts oxidative damage to the hepatocytes and is quite dependent in its synthesis on the lipid metabolism of the liver. Vit E might prevent some of the oxidative damage to these lipids, making them more useful for viral replication , but also it might reduce the cellular stress that the virus exerts, actually reducing hepatocellular damage and stress signaling. All this is speculation and it would be interesting to see if anybody can report a direct influence of start /stop of such supplementation on HCV VLs and ALT levels."
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Hepatitis-C/VITAMIN-E-AND-RESVERATROL-REPLICATE-HCV/show/1219546
Not sure about your doc advising Vitamin E, so maybe check out this article as well as what HR siad:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html
"by Hepatitis Researcher, Apr 21, 2010 09:30PM
To: smaug
Regarding the effect of Vitamin E as investigated in the above article: the fivefold increase in replication intensity was achieved at concentrations of Vitamin E that can be expected to occur after supplementation with reasonable amounts, say 300mg. One can only assume they used alpha tocopherol, the method section did not further define the actual substance used beyond the term "Vit E".
Assuming that the replicon model used reflects the situation in vivo in other respects, one would expect that the VL in patients using Vit E would increase, but this is far from certain.
One also wonders about the mechanisms in place. HCV exerts oxidative damage to the hepatocytes and is quite dependent in its synthesis on the lipid metabolism of the liver. Vit E might prevent some of the oxidative damage to these lipids, making them more useful for viral replication , but also it might reduce the cellular stress that the virus exerts, actually reducing hepatocellular damage and stress signaling. All this is speculation and it would be interesting to see if anybody can report a direct influence of start /stop of such supplementation on HCV VLs and ALT levels."
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Hepatitis-C/VITAMIN-E-AND-RESVERATROL-REPLICATE-HCV/show/1219546
thisle-1000 c-1000 e-800
I figure if it doesn't help my liver the c and e will help with the copd.
1 out of 2 diseases.
I figure if it doesn't help my liver the c and e will help with the copd.
1 out of 2 diseases.
I am taking the same! Just added vitamin B complex. How much e,c and thistle are you taking? I just increased me C to 3000, my E to 600 per day and thisle is 1000 per day.
Judy
Judy
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