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cirrhosis and the evil weed

I read on one of these threads that you shouldn't smoke if you have cirrhosis. Why?  What is the evidence of it being bad for your liver?
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ONE Hawaiian pizza pleas the kona gold special with a side of magic mushrooms and if that pizza aint flyin im lien ''''hawk just playing ..
? I herd its not the t,h,c, in pot its other chemicals in it ?
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Who said anything about pot? OH was only asking about smoking.
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OOPS! I stand corrected. I Just read the post and not the question.
Must be time for me to take a few tokes! LOL
I'm outta here
*poof*

Happy healing all!
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why don't you read that whole thread?  it had links and excerpts from studies as well as comments and opinions on the subject.  why do we need to start another thread on the same subject when there are at least three of them that include the opinions and the links to the studies?
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I actually was serious in term of why would it be bad for cirrhosis livers and not livers in general. I'm sorry, but I don't always read links, between my slow connection and my inpatient brain.
   No more wacky weed threads from me, unless I forget :)
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So what is better ? Dyiing or an allagtor eating or a shark eating? And where do you stand on bear eatings
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shark eating ? alligator eating? our bear eating ? I think pigmy soup?  hay what came first an alligator our the egg
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I dont eat human any more and I dont think anyone else should either. You dont need human meat. you can get through tx without it
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Every pigmy has a mommy
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dude!!! ya dont have to devour hahahahahaha !!!! you can nibbel, lick and scuk, ya dont hafta be a fulfledges cannable...hahahahaha to help get ya through Tx!!! hahahahaha.  have ya seen the tall blond woman??? is she treatin yet???  stil wattin here. ns
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Glad we go pass all that, internet scary at times bro. obvius, thers still a couple of folk like her stil lingerin.  fuoke is smart enuf to  see is it.  hope to be here as soon as possible. catch  you then
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so hew would be tougher on tx batman? our Spiderman?''''''''' john Wayne? our Clint east wood?
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sheesh!! i didnt no tall blond did that. That aint right. it show me that ya reely need to come by hear lots to no whats goin on !!!!  I missed that.  that sound more liek snobish.  one of my womans friend is that way  didnt she have a tea site ?  do ya no wher??? she started that tea post at this place.  whie an green and red hahaha alrighty so much for that woman!!!! hahahahah!!!!!!!!!
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cant argue the hulk! yes the hulk !
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Actually,,,smoking is not great probably on any liver but if you are at stage 3 and 4,,,,That is when you would really want to baby your liver as much as possible and try stopping the hep c.  You can google hep c and smoking and probably not like the results but its out there.  Alot of people smoke pot here to help with the sides and are still smoking to get through there tx.  I'm sure its hard time to stop while on tx so maybe a step at a time.
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njrsl,,,haha you are easy target for some gossip!  Hey actually her tea sites and her daily supplements helped so many.  I don't know what happened to her but knew she was wanting a baby and hope that by now,,,She is a proud mother somewhere!
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I hope seh oky to.  and wth a baby too. if you have her site can you put it here?? thanx (I do agree with the reverand - that was mean what she say about poeple here.  I was surrpised)  we all sin an come short of the glory of God.
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I miss Susan.  She had very good info on supplements.

And rev, i grow my own organically.  I even use well water.

As to marijuanna, it was outlawed in the 30's, not b/c it was bad, b/ b/c it was used as a tool to the wholesale deportation of the SW Hispanic population.  In the famous movie "Reefer Madness", marijuanna was vilified and linked to racial hatred againsst the blacks.

How can a drug be powerful b/have no medical use?

There are no-none, not one-study being done in the USA on marijuanna.  It's illegal-remember.  So people are just using hot air and fear and ignorance of the basic reasons for prohibition.

This is just probabition for pot.  It will be legal in the coming yrs, b/c the younger generations know phoney, racist laws when they see them.

All I know is my slide to death has halted and my health has improved and I have not had a cold or flu or anything else in so many years I can't recall.  Why before tx and that was in 2002.

People anti-pot are foolish and closed minded.

Marijuanna has been found to prevent Alzeheiemers, slow lung cancer, help w/menstral cramps and offers relief from a wide variety of terrible ailments.

People against it haven't tried it--except maybe when they were young and shooting drugs.  Was that you Rev?

Smoking pot doesn't make you shoot drugs.  IV users are another breed of cat altogether.  Smoking pot doesn't make you smoke meth or tabacco.

If pot was as bad as some say, we would all know it.  Just as we all know smoking tabacco is a slow death sentence.

50-75 million people smoke pot in the USA-aprox 25-28%.  The hospitals and hospics and treatment centers are not overflowing w/pot smokers.

Now maybe if the laws-raced based-racist writen and racist supported-were changed, all those billions of dollars could be spent on real medical research, or on the hunger issue or on reforming the insurance/medical complex.

If you are a person who finds releif and value, and you live in an enlightened state, please do use what's avilable.

Dont' let ignorance and racism taint your view of a useful, not so powerful drug.

We should be outlawing war and invasion and unequal access to mediacal help.  Not a little 'weed' that anyone can grow.

In fact, in the fututre, it will be the big tabacco companies growing the pot and the insurance companies encouraging its use.

the fast growing population-aging boomers-who will be bankrupting the medical system-is the only age group wher marijuanna use is increasing.

anyone can quote an inaccurate study and anyone can support racist laws, b/the real test is marijuanna use is never sited as a reason for growing health care costs and millions find it to be an inexpensive, short term helper drug.  And that's all that matters.
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Hi Revinire!

15%  does'nt sound like a majority in a total of 289,532!!!
Hmmm... If I remember my math correctly (Oh excuse me, us "potheads can't think straight" your quote, not mine)in my brain damaged mind... The result consists of: 43,429.8 individuals out of 289,532! That does'nt look like a majority at all!!!

That is unless you mis-typed your statistics which is btw, not an abnormal th9ing to do these days - if you get me drift...

Please get your facts straight or else do'nt cite data that refutes itself as easily as your does with just one example!!!

Plus you're citing stats that are 4 yrs old or more???
Talk about "Whoppers"!!!I think you just mad "Dabigkahuna" with your statements!!! I hope that you've got better data to cite because, you're not making any sense, your being totally biased for whatever reason, you jump to conclusions from what others are really posting here, you need to really try to comprehend some of the points made by the other side even though it may sound like nonsense to you and your omnipotent atitude...

Whooops!!! Us "potheads" are'nt supposed to reveal to you "tightwads" that we have intellectual potential huh???
Finally, I suggest that you purchase approximately one gallon of nail polish remover so that you can loosen the fused epidermis that once used to be the crack of your *** because, you shure need to vent some of the flatulence that's coming out of your mouth and re-direct it out of that orifice!!! Let that be a lesson to you when you think in the future about insulting folks with out any real purpose other than to prove that you can only "shoot yourself in the foot" with your lopsided judgments!!!

Are you btw, affiliated with a drug company or something to that effect, or do you work for the DEA??? Maybe you had a bad personal experience with marijuana when you were young???

I agree that if someone abuses marijuana, their health will definitely become affected but, you have'nt defined specifically what level of frequency, the daily amount consumed, or any other set of variables that in combination constitues "abuse"!!!

So unless you cite all of that data and it's sources, references, etc., leave no room for error, your claims are not irrefutable!!!

You seem like an intelligent person inspite of your own ignorance getting in the way so, please do a better job of convincing us because, I do'nt know about everyone else but, I'm certainly not impressed!!!

Finally, I( may be new to this site but, that does'nt mean that I'm new to this disease and it's manifestations!!!
Occasional use of marijuana after transplant has helped me maintained an immunosupressed condition that has been beni8ficial for me personally and yet, has not caused any fibrosis to my relatively new liver because of the FACT that I DO NOT ABUSE THE STUFF!!! Enough said!!!

You might want to ask me: "Well why did'nt you ask your Dr. for a prescription of marinol or something to that effect???"
Here's my answer just in case: I did but, they wanted to put me on some anti-D's instead which we now know have some pretty evil sides in themselves so, I opted for the "herbal" route!  

Nine years, and counting where I'm normal in the range of bloodwork across the board... I'm only slightly detectable after 4+ rounds of treatment... Basically I'm nicknamed "The Enigma" by all of my Dr.'s, including the ones in the transplant clinic of transplant clinics who btw, consistently emphasize to me that: "whatever it is that you're doing to keep yourself in such good health, do'nt change a thing!!!"... So, unless you can come up with something better, please do not patronize me with your ignorance!!!

One more thing appropriately put, I consider myself to be more like an intellectual version of the character that's part of the "Fantastic Four" affectionately known as: "The Thing"!!!

To the rest of you - Respectfully,
Hanklive Lives for Today and Tomorrow!!! A. K. A. "The Thing"
Otherwise known as: "The Enigma" by many professionals!!!





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Hi All!
I apologize for my typo's in my last post so let me first quote my mistakes, and then you all can understand what I meant with the corrections that are included within the quote:

"Plus you're citing stats that are 4 yrs old or more???
Talk about "Whoppers"!!!I think you've just made "Dabigkahuna" burger with your statements!!! I hope that you've got better data to cite"

I hope that everyone can now understand what I meant to say...

Respectfully to you know who you are,
Hanklive Lives for Today and Tomorrow!!!
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Oh yeah I almost forgot!!!! Must be the THC that's polluting my system with it's poisonous effects to my brain & Lungs which are BTW, as clean as a whistle - my lungs that is... Now my "Dirty mind" well, some things you just ca'nt change, and my Alpha Feta Protein count is in the normal range...

So, can anyone give me an answer as to why I'm not being affected healthwise by occasionally partaking in theraputic treatment of ingesting or is it inhaling marijuana after nine years post transplant and finally, the THC does'nt even register in the blood tests whereby drug abuse screening is included???

I did'nt think so!!!

Finally, if you've been around as long as I've been and actually been to the NIH Headquarters in what town in Maryland, revinire???

you would then know for a fact that their study's, their stats, their data isconstantly changing, and have been refuted from time to time!!! I mena, it does'nt take a "Rocket Scientist" to figure out that it's government institution!!!! Duhhhh????

This means that if they, meaning the NIH - were to dispute the claims of their main sources of supplying the NIH's own research projects ummm, I believe they, meaning the NIH - would at the very least, risk losing any future funding from very influental folks in the Congress that authorize & appropiate MONEY to the NIH so that they can continue to imitate irrefutable science!!!

That's like saying that we found Real Nuclear or as the prez said: "nucular weapons" in Iraq!!! Yeah Right!!!

Respectfully to you know who,
Hanklive Lives forToday and Tomorrow!!!
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