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i know i was told on this forum once before that it IS possible to contract HSV 1 gentially , however, i would like to know how common that is. As i previously mentioned, i am negative for both HSV 1 and 2 IGG but my fiance was possible for HSV 1 IGG ( typically cold sores.) But, he has never had an outbreak. What is the likelihood of contracting it gentially?  I really need to put this in perspective because i am dwelling on this day in and day out to the point where i check myself quite often.

Also, if someone has an outbreak, is it posible to not know unless you look? Or are the symptoms bothersome enough to know something is wrong?
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897535 tn?1295206435
As with Dr. Hook's post, this too will be my last. Your complete fear and anxiety of this is shown in your 70 posts.

Genital HSV1 is rarely spread through INTERCOURSE. Meaning, if I get genital HSV1, it came from my partner (who has oral HSV1) performing oral sex on me.  Oral HSV1 sheds much more frequently than genital HSV1, hence why this is the case. If you'd read the Herpes Handbook as I'm sure we suggested, you'd read about shedding rates for both types/locations of herpes.

No doubt when Dr. Hook stated, "Over 60% of American adults have HSV-1 and most do not know it.", he meant to say ORAL HSV1. It's what we always quote here on the board for oral HSV1.

As to his statement, "Most HSV-1 infections are transmitted through oral sex.", again, I'm sure he meant to say GENITAL HSV-1 in that sentence.

Read the herpes handbook. Realize there is a risk to your BF performing oral sex on you if he has HSV1, that is true. He has oral herpes: it can shed 18% of days, and can potentially be transmitted if he performs oral sex on you. If he has an active cold sore it's a much higher risk of transmission (no stats, so no need to ask). It's pretty much that in a nutshell, nothing more. If you cannot deal with that, either don't have oral sex,  consider a barrier method, and talk to a counselor if you can't overcome this anxiety/fear.
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he also mentioned in the beginning post that most hsv 1 cases are oral. Again, im not debating.
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hi grace.
i reposted my question to Dr. H. However, I am confusing myself. He mentions that HSV 1 genitally is hardly ever spread to sexual partners but in his last post mentioned that most HSV 1 infections are spread through oral sex. PLEASE Clarify.

I was always under the impression that its so much easier to spread HSV 1through kissing?
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any insight about the genetics and the percent of all new infections?
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101028 tn?1419603004
also feel free to post an update to your last post to Dr Hook about this too. you are allowed to post updates for up to 2 months.
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101028 tn?1419603004
1 out of every 10 hsv1 igg's are falsely negative.  really hard to know if this is a new positive result or not.

the numeric result itself isn't of any meaning.
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the hsv1 igg tests often miss? so your saying its likely that i could have had the HSV 1 for a long time like most people?

Does the number have anything to to do with the amount of antibodies produced indicating that it is nothing new?

also, i thought  u mentioned that 66 % of new genital herpes is Type 1. If that is the case, i am confused with how you also mentioned that there is an overall low risk of transmission or hsv 1 genitally. Sorry, i am not debating your expertise.

Also, you mentioned that genetics has a lot to do with whether or not someone has an outbreak. That beingsaid, if i just recently accquired this, would i have shown signs? or not always due to genetics? From my understanding, people can have type 1 their whole life and not have an outbreak, however with type 2 its more virulent and aggressive.

Does location have anything to do with it?  For ex, having it genitally, chances are, one would show signs moreso than orally?

thanks again
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101028 tn?1419603004
no way to know if you've contracted hsv1 orally since you last tested or if your original hsv1 test missed your hsv 1 infection as they often do. you've had no symptoms that sound like genital herpes. no reason to think your hsv1 is genital.

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So I recently retested for hsv 1 IGG and it was positive ( 3.23 ). I'm very distraught over it and its consuming me moreso than ever. I didn't have any outbreak or coldsore but just went to get retested since my fiance always had HSV 1, as I previously mentioned.

I think what is bothering me is after reading all these posts, I wonder if it could be genitally.
Grace, I know you and Dr H say that transmission is low via shedding but is that genitally only or low via oral? We kiss and share drinks often but oral sex is prob twice a mth, maybe. That being said, you mentioned that 66 percent of all new genital hsv is type 1. If that is the case, how is it a low risk of transmission and how can we still say hsv 1 prefers the oral area.

Petal130, as I mentioned above, oral sex is about 2x a mth, if that, but we kiss often. I know you said it took 5 years for you to get the virus. But I'm sure you kissed your partner way more than oral sex, so why didn't you get it orally? I know you don't know for sure, but what could be the rationale
Any additional insight would be great. I wouldn't mind if I had it orally but genitally I can't handle.
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101028 tn?1419603004
you have herpes on your mind far too much. Not everything is herpes!
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ok last question... based on what i said are you thinking maybe it could be?  i mean given what i said is it more like common sense that it was self inflicted? im really freaking out right now.....
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101028 tn?1419603004
yes odds are it would've presented much differently.
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also, considering i was negative for both tests in april, and i never had anything like that before, if it was lets say" primary outbreak" wouldnt it be far worse and with all those symptoms as you guys have said??
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i see..... but is it possible to get a small tear not bleeed? i know the little tear wasnt there before i checked.  your response kind of made me worried.
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101028 tn?1419603004
no way for us to know what was going on genitally then on you. If it reoccurs, be seen and get a proper exam done.



Not sure how we can help you much more at this point. we've given you all the basic information. It's up to you and your partner to decide what precautions, if any, to take for sex/oral sex and go from there.
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thanks. i read Dr. Hooks post today.I am not trying to feed my anxiety but just answer all of these questions i come up with.

Any comment on the question above? thanks again.
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ok one more.... one time when i was doing my self exams i was fairly dry as it was sthe last day of my period and i may have been a little rough with "pulling" and  i think i tore one of the creases on the inner labia. it was so minimal but didnt bleed but then burned. could that be anything? i know if it was herpes, they dont bleed. so couldi t be??? the cut went away in 4-5 days. no intchiness, no bumps, no sowllen glands, no flu like symptoms.

is it possible to have a small tear but not bleed?
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897535 tn?1295206435
Yes as Mistakeguy stated in this post, 2-20 days, with 4-14 being the most common (just read this in one of Dr. H's posts today).

The general rule is, a primary genital HSV1 outbreak typically produces classic herpes symptoms.

Re-read this post and the one to Dr. Hook in it's entirety. Otherwise it begins to become a broken record with the same questions asked over and over. The peace of mind won't come from feeding your anxiety by posting worrisome questions.
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ok back to my original post....... sorry about that. ....
my question is..... i thought i read somewhere that it takes about 2-20 days from when you contract HSV1 or 2 genitally,  to show symptoms. That being said, if its past that time frame is it ok to say you DIDNT contract it? As i mentioned in some of my earlier posts, in am negatvie for both HSV 1 and 2 IGG. I am jus tstill overly  concerned as my finace has hsv 1 and i dont want to get it genitally.

im thinking of stopping that part of my sex life until i get over this fear but in the mean time i kind of just want MORE peace of mind lol....
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Ok. Yet another ques just to ease my mind. I finished my period on sat and sun I had sex. Prior to sex we were foreplaying (fingering) and I felt a little discomfort/ sore. I wasn't as lubricated as I normally am  but later on I was. My fiance also said I was tighter too. Sex was fine and I was well lubricated by then . No symptoms of itching, tingeling. I read that the skin in the vagina is very delicate and without prob lube this could happen. Correct? I think I am just driving myself crazy.
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897535 tn?1295206435
Dr. Hook answered you here, correctly of course:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/transmission-of-hsv-1-/show/1571109
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hi grace. one last question. yesterdai was able to find one of your expert posts on symptoms treatment etc. I wanted to clarify one thing though as I cant find the post today. Did you mention that the symptoms of hsv1 genitally are worse than an outbreak for hsv11 genitally? sorry i read lots of information and i dont want to get confused.
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Thanks again for all of your information. Could you send me the link to one of the experts's posts on symptoms? I was looking but I keep finding questions posted by other people. Thanks
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897535 tn?1295206435
No - tingling occurs no more than a day or two prior to an outbreak. And tingling alone is not a symptoms of herpes - there are several posts on the expert's forum regarding this topic.

Trust me - you won't have to look for an outbreak. We don't at all mind answering questions, but we've pretty much covered what a genital outbreak's logistics are, and for you it's just feeding your anxiety at this point. Let it go and find something else to occupy your time :-)

Lastly as I've said, seek counseling if this has become such a burden. It really should not be.
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