HPV and Uterine col leisure

      Although I have got a very good Pap in April and not a single contact in between, I have been diagnosed a leisure on the uterine col , apparently due to a Candida not treated. I have oral and vaginal candida over a year now, it does not show on analysis, but the gynec says it is there and it caused me a change on the vaginal flora and a leisure on the col.

    Although I have oral and vaginal candida according to the doc, I do not have HIV cause I have 7 test, the last at 9 months post exposure (acute HBV at the time).
    
    For the leisure I got treatment Canesten Ovules (3 pills) and  Flucoric (2 oral pills). I finished treatment 3 days ago.
    
   Can i go to the seaside 2 weeks from now? Can i enter the sea and have  protected contact with my boyfriend with this leisure?
   Is it possible that the leisure is due to HPV although the Pap seemed to be perfectly clear?

   Thank you very much for your time and advice!

[stelutu]

I also have a Q about HPV and Gardsil: I have been to my gynec telling her about this concern on the leisure being provocated by HPV and she told me it's ok to take the vaccine also if I already have the 4 types of HPV because the vaccine stops the development of cancer in the future (if any development at all).
Is this true?

Please answer. I really would like to take the vaccine. I am 23 years and 10 days. Thank you!

[ibizan]

if ur paps r clear an dur doctor is telling u the lesion is due to candida then go with that.the vaccine will prevent u from getting types of hpv u hven't already had.how does one keep a condom on in the sea?:)

[stelutu]

oh......no....you got it wrong....I meant that people in my country (forums) say that I am not allowed to enter the sea water as doing wrong to my leisure and also that I am not allowed to have sexual contact with my bf as I had this treatment for the leisure.
      
As for the HPV thing, my doc wants to make me an appointment for the first vaccine and I didn't do any test- I also suppose I have HPV, but she says that the vaccine will prevent the cancer to occur, no matter if I already got the virus.

Thank you very much for the advice! I am really looking for the answer (also to find out if I can have contact will my bf, as I suppose he will get mad if we go in vacation and cannot do a thing...:( )

[ibizan]

i would ask ur doctor if having sex in the seawater would affect a cervical lesion.....it could cause bacteria to enter vaginally hence aggravating the candida...r u on Diflucan or something else for the candida?in this country it is reccomended that women not have sex until their yeast infection clears....it prolongs the infection from clearing up.u should get the vaccine at ur age and yearly paps will watch for cervical abnormalities.ur boyfriend needs to respect ur medical condition over having sex....he could get a yeast infection from u and hafta get that treated!have u been checked to see if the infection is gone?

[stelutu]

no...i meant to enter see water. and to have sex as different activities. And he is always protected so he won't get my infection.

and....no, doc called me again in 1 week. I finished treatment and i have 10 days till vacation but i wonder if the lesion is cured. I was on Canesten - 3 ovules and Flucoric - 1 oral pill.

and i wanna have the vaccine also if i have hpv, doc says......it is still good?!

[ibizan]

i would think only a vaginal exam would determine if lesion is cured!u should have the vaccine at ur age...over here the girls will still get it if they've had hpv...it won't do a thing for the strain u've already had but will protect against other types of high risk and wart bearing low risk strains.good to be cured up of infection b4 sex...latex can irritate an already irritated vagina and yeast infection!

[stelutu]

ok, thanks very much!

Than I will get the vaccine and will not have sex any more. But I will go to the seaside and will probably enter water.

Thanks!!!!

[ibizan]

i think u meant u will check with doctor making sure its ok 2 have sex regarding lesion healing up?and yeast infection gone?ur 2 young to never have sex again!:)yes the vaccine a good idea for u!

[stelutu]

I am thinking having sex is a bad idea since all bad things happen to me. Now a lesion on the uterine col (seems to be small but still a lesion) and this things develop to cancer - I am sure I have a type of HPV anyway so the vaccine should be a good idea.

I know I will loose my bf and we supposed to get married next year - we wanted a little boy...but with my weak immune system it is not a good idea to have sex and I will always think during sex all I achieve is getting hurt internally.

Thanks for all your help and support! I decided to urge that vaccine due to your advice!

[ibizan]

ah dear!if ur boyfriend really loves u he will stand by u during this and be understanding.. ur young and these things can and do heal up....maybe just for now refrain from sex until u heal up!there r things u can do to give each other joy that do not involve vaginal sex....and yes the shot is good for u at ur age!

[stelutu]

      Thank you for your optimism! The reason I am not so optimistic is because I am like 80% sure  I do have a type of HPV and that some docs in my country say it's useless to take the vaccine due to this HPV condition.

      They also say that this infections (hurting the col) like the one I have are developing do to HPV and sex are developing very fast to lesion on the col. I started to believe any sex can damage my col and I love my bf; I know he loves me too, but he is very passionate and as I am so afraid to have sex again I can really see the end of it....:(

[ibizan]

over here docs will give women up2 age 26 the vaccine even if they've had hpv.....does protect against strains not had,low risk types and vaginal and vulval cancers.u don't have the results of ur colp yet  for lesion so calm down please....not good to stress self out....there r ppl in this forum and the others who've had std's,HPV,HSV2 etc.and have gone on to have sex fulfilling relationships with an understanding partner even children!if u got a good guy and he loves u and stands by u...hang tight!that is a rare find in this world 2 day!:)

[stelutu]

Thank you very much! I will probably try to make the nerve to take the test :I am very happy I am free of HIV and HBV, HCV and for the others I really do hope not to be as risky as those ones. So I will take the vaccine anyway and hope for the better.

I trust my doc too- I had oral and vaginal Candida over a year now and treated it- but seems that they did not go away and I don't know.....she says is a really small lesion.....maybe it really is caused only by this candida cause sexual contacts I haven;t had in a while and doc says that a contact wouldn't cause me a lesion. I do not know weather to believe that....

[ibizan]

sounds like u have confidence/trust in ur doc so go with that...and good a small lesion  and impreative u find out xactly what it is and what caused and get taken care of....and yes so good no other std's.....u have ur whole life ahead of u dear....don't let this sidetrack u from what u want and having a good partner and sharing the same goals is very encouraging!:0)

[stelutu]

Yes, a great partner I have! :P:P thanks......

But this disease thing is bothering me .....seems like you do not believe either my doc in saying it's a small lesion due to Candida...I confess I do not know very much about this things, but considering I haven't had sex in like 6 months and she also said contacts do not cause this kind of lesions,.....I thought it was better to believe that since I do not know any better.

And yes, no other std's, except that HBV that has been cured, thanks God, cause I repeated the HBsAg 3 times and it was absent.

Except for Candida, the Pap looked for like 6 STD's and also for modified cells and doc said the whole test turned out perfect and nothing to worry. I wish I believed that...

Thanks again ! I wish peace and healthiness for every single been.

[ibizan]

oh no girl....i stated u must believe ur doc when she tells u that lesion is not HPV if all ur tests came out negative for it and HPV found to be gone.if HPV is not showing up hallelujah!:)

[stelutu]

But I never tested for HPV. My doc said some Paps look also for HPV but the one I did was not that kind.

Nevertheless she says that taking the vaccine for HPV is the best way to stay away from cancer also if I already have the virus.

[ibizan]

is she going to give u the HPV test then b4 the Gardisil series of shots?wise for u to get it dear!will protect u from vaginal and vulval cancers as well.

[stelutu]

She wants to give me the vaccine without taking the HPV test as I am very afraid of what I am going to find out and I am better not knowing. BUT she will give me the shots as she said that the vaccine protects me from cancer weather I have or not the HPV 16,18 yet.

She said that also if I already have HPV, I will not develop cancer if I do the vaccine. I have read on the prescript of the vaccine and she seems to be right, but I am no doctor..... what do you believe??

[ibizan]

over here a doctor would give the HPV test b4 giving the vaccine to find out if the hpv virus is on the cervix,address that and then give the vaccine.I think that is very sound and thorough.Over there it sounds like your doctor does things differently than here in US.But aside from that u do need to have it and keep regular on the paps for that is the only way to stop any cervical abnormalities b4 they develop in2 something more problematic.

[stelutu]

Yes,I do know the procedure, but do you believe it is useless if I have it? I thought I take the vaccine anyway.

If I test and I find out it is true I have it I will always believe I am going to die soon, I will not get married, have sex or children for not to hurt the cervix. So I believe it is for the best not to know and just die when the time is right, but live to 100% everything....

[ibizan]

i would want the hpv test to know for sure. it is totally irrational ur fear of dying even if u have it!i had malignancies on my cervix at age 28,had a conization and was told if i ever had a child it'd hafta b c-section.i got high risk hpv 2 years ago,had the LEEP and am still alive!

[ibizan]

by the way i am 53 now so u can see i have lived quite a few years beyond my first cervical cancer scare.we wouldn't have this forum if all the women who had HPV and got treated died!:)

[stelutu]

what do you mean you had the leep? i do not understand...
It got treated? I am so happy for you!!!!

[ibizan]

i had a abnormal pap test in 6-07.Colp showed high risk HPV.I had the LEEP 8-07 and have had paps for the last 4 months...all clear.awaiting my last one 8-25..if that one is clear i can go a year with paps.In 1954 my mom took a drug called DES that promoted clotting for women who miscarried.They found a high rate of cervical cancer in the daughter of the mothers...60%.The drug has been banned in the US since 1971.When i had my malignancy in 1983 that could've been the DES result or HPV that was not well studied at the time like it is now.So u see i've had 2 surgeries that have removed a significant portion of my cervix....and i'm 53 and still alive and healthy!And no hint of cervical cancer!

[stelutu]

Oh, I understand you have been trough a lot and I am sorry for that, but glad you have been so lucky to discover it in time!

I will have the vaccine anyway and then, when I have the money for it, I will take the test on my own, whit out anyone knowing....

[ibizan]

my xperiences should show u that if u keep up on ur cervical health..even if u have a lesion...even if u have HPV...and u continue with treatment u will not die!I'm living proof of that!

[stelutu]

Yes, I hope the same way too! You were very lucky but I suppose you cared a lot for your health for to investigate every problem....

That's why I will try to urge that vaccine thing and I will also try to test for HPV, but I really wanna believe whatever the result will be the vaccine will protect me and that my immune system will be able to cure the lesion even if it wasn't capable to cure oral and vaginal Candida in one year with treatment!

[ibizan]

i have had paps every year since age 28 after my conization.My mom is a breast cancer survivor and I am high risk for that for never having had children.And the DES thing as well.Women need to stay vigilant about their cervical health.....i have known women who've neglected their paps for years......ended up with cervical and ovarian cancer in stages where it had progressed and they sought no treatment and died,.......that is very negligent...and they had places they could go and get paps.I use a product called Kolorex when i get an itchiness in my lower quadrant......as we older women age our candida albicans balance gets off and we get occasional problems as well!

[stelutu]

Yes, I intend to get paps ever more often than once a year cause I know it is very important, and more than that, it is treatable!

As for that Candida thing, I am very worried since I am supposed to have an immunity ready to cope with that and I am not capable to cure it even with treatment! I know that this long term Candida it is only possible in HIV+ patients, but this is the case:I had 7 Elisa 4th gen tests and there were all negative......I do not know what to believe any more :(..............

[stelutu]

I started to get this 7 test since last year and the last one was 9,5 months post every exposure possible. Now my gynec tells me this col lesion is due to Candida I treated since last November.....what am I to believe? i really do not know any more....

In 4 days I shall go in vacation to the seaside and I would not even get to enjoy that like anyone there.....me and my Bf and another couple...and I only think why me....what is wrong with me? so many women on the beach and they are all happy, only I think at cancers and col lesions :( I am sad.....

[ibizan]

all u and one can do is go with what ur doctor tells. u....don't go reading in2 what u do not know for sure!and enjoy that vacation..it sounds wonderful!which sea r u going 2?

[stelutu]

what do you mean I do not know for sure? the fact I might be having HPV or HIV? cause about the HIV I talked to most specialists in my country and they said they do not wanna see me again unless I volunteer teaching HIV prevention in schools cause I am a walking book, but a healthy one.

Bout the HPV I must confess I am very afraid.....I must go on Wednesday do the gynec for the result of the analysis and I hope with all my heart for a good news....  

We are going to the Black Sea from the Romanian side and it is supposed to be very nice, I was there before, only now I am VERY worried and cannot enjoy anything.....3 months ago we were also to the Black Sea but in Bulgaria and I must confess it was wonderful.....hotel accommodations and comfort were just great.....and polite employees also....

[ibizan]

what u think u MIGHT have is not what the doctor has said u have!u r going to ruin ur vacation with all this worrying!STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!oh it sounds lovely and a nice partner to enjoy it with!

[stelutu]

I definitely try to remain calm and live trough this period: first of all till the control and then .....to live after it.....and the doc's decision.......cause I really cannot understand how can Candida survive all the treatment I took.....maybe I have such a week immunity as to make Ab for heps or HIV.....I do not understand a thing any more, believe me.
seems like as I know more, that's the less I understand.....

I will try to enjoy my vacation after all, IF I can not to think of it for a whole week.....

[ibizan]

just because u have a weak immune system doesn't mean u have HPV!the body is a mysterious thing dear......please try to enjoy that vacation!sounds so wonderful!

[stelutu]

Yes, but the fact I have a very weak immune system worries me cause of those HBV, HCV and HIV tests I took on antibodies, and what Ab would I have with a weak body?

Yes, I started to get ready for the beach and I really do not know how will I carry them all :P
But I still wait for Wed (the gynec result and consult) with shivers on my back....I am really afraid on the result and the treatment I took- did it pay off?

[ibizan]

prayers for u for wednesday....now keep packing 4 that vacation!

[stelutu]

oHHH...........I am really scared.....I hardly slept last night.....and I dreamed sth awful ....about this check on Wed and I dreamed like she consulted me, she was very sorry for me, but she said she would operate on me anyway just in case I won't die and she appointed me for September 16. I was so scared that I came back and there were plenty of docs now and I asked ok...it is very bad, but what is it? and one of them told me I was HIV+ polymeric 2 subtype F discovered on Ag P24. I fainted.

  I told them it is not possible, cause I was 9 months negative and they asked why didn't I do a PCR or an ARN? I told them I did not have the money (without telling my parents...) and they said they were sorry.

[ibizan]

dreams r a great way to relieve stress and worry.....it was just a dream.....keep packing for that wonderful vacation!

[stelutu]

Well, I was to the doc, she wasn't there, but her assistant told me the result to the analysis (a vaginal secretion) and seems like I hadn't candida after all. She says it's all clear and I should enjoy life........

I'm packaging but believe me I think at HPV all right..... :(

[ibizan]

like the saying goes don't borrow trouble........and my deceased slovenian aunt would say don't stir the drecka...which means don't stir the $#%^&!!!!enjoy that vacation.....u waste so much precious energy worrying!

[stelutu]

thank you so much my dear! I will really try not to think.....
Your words helped me a lot and you supported me great deal.
I will write again when I return and talk to the doc.....

[ibizan]

now lay on the beach.......soak up the sun...feel its warmth on ur body and envision it strenghthening ur immune system!llok look 4ward to hearing all about it when u return!

[stelutu]

Hi there my dear! I had a wonderful vacation, really wonderful...:P:P
I am sorry I have not write back on the leisure thing, cause I did not know anything clear at all. I went again to the doc and she said although I did not have any Candida shown on the lab results, a secretion I still had and it caused this very small leisure.
      Thing is small as it is, it did NOT go away and I found out without a cauterization it never cures, my friends had it and they did a laser cauterization and it healed very well. They encouraged me to do it as well.
      Fact is I am so close to being very happy but I am afraid for the past is hunting me (I did not have many bfs, but seems like I was very ill still). I am sure I had HBV, but it cured, I was on acute phase and I am so lucky I am cured. But I am afraid it had the same symptoms HIV has and I have  10 months HIV Ab test NEGATIVE so far but I am very much afraid for my bf and ashamed. Also I am very much afraid for this HPV thing....:((((
      NOW the good part!:PP:P
      I am so much afraid for this things cause seems that me and my bf are getting married next summer, he has just proposed to me. We are very happy but I am so scared and ready to cry all the time.....I am scared to be ruing everything with what I did in the past (as little as it was). Seems like we are getting married the day my birthday next year, in August (his birthday is the next day).
       Many kisses for you, my dear!!!!!!!!!

[ibizan]

so glad u had  a good vacation.....and u have good medical news..my dear there are FAR worse things that we could have other than HPV!Just keep up with ur present diligence with medical care.so glad u and boyfriend getting married....now u stop this living in the past stuff.....sound like u have a very good man there and they r a rare find in this millenium....so be happy please..life is very short and flies 2 fast by!

[stelutu]

My dear ibizan, thank you so much for your good thoughts! I am very much worried now and feel like crying all the time. I went to a good doc that told me these leisures never do cure, and mine increased after all!
I saw the leisure on a pc, cause he made me a colposcopy and I saw it. It is big, he told me like 1/4 of the col surface, but he is operating on me tomorrow morning with laser.
    I am VERY much afraid still not on this leisure itself, but on the fact he showed me his tools dirty of the same secretion I have on going for 1 year now! It seems like it always come back, no matter what! I am so very afraid it's HIV after all , in spite of my 9 months test cause I really cannot understand what is the problem that I still have oral and vaginal candida after one year!
    And with this thoughts I have to leave tomorrow at 6 am for my operation.........
    Many kisses for you !!!!

[ibizan]

u mean HPV not HIV right?for the candida to hang on that long is most unfortunate....when i was 28 i had 1/3 of my cervix frozen off in a conization..thats what they called them in the 80's and i'm still kicking along in life!prayers for u my dear and big hug across the continent!

[stelutu]

oh thanks very much! No, I really meant HIV cause in spite of my 7 tests I did not cure candida and I really have NOT heard of anybody taking that long to cure a candida except for HIV+ patients. In fact, they say that if you have like >3 times a year candida you really can take some HIV tests. And let's say that not only I had >3 times a year but in facet never did cure it. SO much for really bad immunity.

And I have another news, today I really made that laser intervention and it went great, I felt really fine but I am always like crying cause I am very scared of this candida, I mean what if really is HIV? HM..........that would be like really unfortunate after a 9 months negative....:(((

Now only thing I can do is take a treatment till I cure the laser crust and then take another meeting with my doc and hope for the best!

Hope for the best for you and all your family too my dear !!!!!!!!

[ibizan]

oh my dear STOP!don't go thinking u have HIV!one day atta time...one medical procedure atta time......and one meeting with doctor atta time!prayers for u!thanks for the good wishes.......i have a 4 legged family member who i think is in early stage renal failure......awaiting results of her CBC!