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hpv mystery
I noticed that so many people suffering from the hpv, and people are so confused about it, it includes me, I'm also a victim of this ******* virus, i know nothing about it before i was contracted with this virus, same sad thing happened to lots of people. i know i have hpv since i found out i have a genital wart, i asked my doctor many questions which they can not give me a definite answer, so i did a lot of homework by myself. like crazy homework, here i still have some questions, please someone who is professional in this filed can answer.
1, I'm trying to find the reliable info from some official websites such as CDC, ASHA and the info from hpv vaccine company Merck, ASHA and Merck said if a person's immune system is healthy it can eventually eradicate hpv virus from the body, they used the ward eradicate which means hpv has completely killed by the immune system, but CDC use the word 'clear' i don't know it means clear the viral infection or the virus itself, so here is my question which also confused so many people does this virus can be completely eradicated or just suppressed to the dormant level? please someone can give a solid answer!!!
2, i know hpv is a virus, thats why there is no cure for it, we don't even have a cure for the most common cold virus, almost all people have contracted with the cold virus and cured by themselves, even if the cold virus is still in our body, no body would think the cold virus is a big deal, is the mechanism of hpv as same as the cold virus?
3, i know hpv is a big family, different types cause different problems, the CDC said 70% people have ever been contracted with one of type hpv during sometime in their lives, but I'm still confused with this statistic, we know some type hpv doesn't caused any problem at all, but only some types can cause cancer and warts, if most of people just infected with the 'harmless' types hpv, why the hell should they care about it, then the statistic for people with deadly hpv type and warts type hpv is not fair and accurate.
4, some types of hpv caused the common warts on hands, that happened to lots of children, when i was a child i had a wart on my finger, about a year the wart fall off and disappear, it has been 20 years i haven't had another one pop out again, here is my question if the virus is still in my body, which means under the surface of my hand there is a hpv virus dormant for decades? how ridiculous it is? and during this 20 years, i had many bad times which cause my immune system significantly low, but the no warts or problem ever happened again, so why people said keep a good health to fight off virus, i know hpv types are different, but if someone said hpv virus will stay in body forever, which means any children who had common warts or platen warts before still have the virus in their body?
sorry for my long questions, just wanna be clarified!
1, I'm trying to find the reliable info from some official websites such as CDC, ASHA and the info from hpv vaccine company Merck, ASHA and Merck said if a person's immune system is healthy it can eventually eradicate hpv virus from the body, they used the ward eradicate which means hpv has completely killed by the immune system, but CDC use the word 'clear' i don't know it means clear the viral infection or the virus itself, so here is my question which also confused so many people does this virus can be completely eradicated or just suppressed to the dormant level? please someone can give a solid answer!!!
2, i know hpv is a virus, thats why there is no cure for it, we don't even have a cure for the most common cold virus, almost all people have contracted with the cold virus and cured by themselves, even if the cold virus is still in our body, no body would think the cold virus is a big deal, is the mechanism of hpv as same as the cold virus?
3, i know hpv is a big family, different types cause different problems, the CDC said 70% people have ever been contracted with one of type hpv during sometime in their lives, but I'm still confused with this statistic, we know some type hpv doesn't caused any problem at all, but only some types can cause cancer and warts, if most of people just infected with the 'harmless' types hpv, why the hell should they care about it, then the statistic for people with deadly hpv type and warts type hpv is not fair and accurate.
4, some types of hpv caused the common warts on hands, that happened to lots of children, when i was a child i had a wart on my finger, about a year the wart fall off and disappear, it has been 20 years i haven't had another one pop out again, here is my question if the virus is still in my body, which means under the surface of my hand there is a hpv virus dormant for decades? how ridiculous it is? and during this 20 years, i had many bad times which cause my immune system significantly low, but the no warts or problem ever happened again, so why people said keep a good health to fight off virus, i know hpv types are different, but if someone said hpv virus will stay in body forever, which means any children who had common warts or platen warts before still have the virus in their body?
sorry for my long questions, just wanna be clarified!
And i know I'm a little self-centered, but the hpv vaccine has been introduced for almost 8 years, there is still no valid therapeutic vaccine to treat those people who have already infected, according to statistics provided by CDC 80% people have been infected this virus during sometime in their lives, so treating infected people is indeed more imperative, just preventing healthy people is not fair to those already infected people
Thanks guys, i am wander, maybe there is something different between low-risk hpv and high-risk hpv? i mean, people who have warts before rarely hear that they are gonna have this problems forever, i think maybe low-risk hpv is indeed eradicated by immune system easier? and also about the immunity thing, some experts said once you have a strain of hpv and over time you clear it, you will build the immunity which will let you not contracted this type of hpv again, and some people said the opposite, how couples deal with this problem? so many questions, really exhausting!
Suicide is not an answer. Go see professional therapy help for this. Your life will go on and your sex life will continue. We all felt the same way. Yet we all found a way to move on from this. So will you. Especially when you think of the fact that 80% of sexually active adults have been exposed to it. Since my diagnosis, I have yet to find one sexually active adult woman who did not have a bad pap at one point in their lives. They know what it means and after they get a negative test result, they are resuming their sex lives too.
so today i found out i have warts in my throat (see my other thread for the story) but even i'm not worked up to the point of suicide over it. that is crazy and you are overreacting. remember that as an adult dang near everyone you will ever consider having sex with has already been exposed to this virus. it's just us unlucky few who actually show symptoms and have to deal with the stigma. and it sucks, believe me, i know, but there are so many worse things that you could get diagnosed with besides one measly little genital wart. i was worried i was going to have to tell my mother i had throat cancer, and was going to have to deal with radiation, chemo, and having half my face removed, but i don't. it's just warts and they can't hurt you. your body will eventually fight it off and even if you didn't have the wart removed it would eventually go away (although it might take years). eventually your body WILL fight it off. think of it this way. have you had chicken pox? if so it's still in your body, but you probably don't worry about passing it to people when you have sex.
Thanks for replying.
1: If the virus goes dormant in the body, which means children who used to have common warts on their finger or hands still have the virus in their body?i really doubt that, because so many children have and had common warts.
2: There is no cure for it, which sounds really horrible, how about our lives in the future? how about our sexual lives? can we ever be normal people again? or just like a bunch of monster who spread virus to others? problems which virus caused is not painful, but the mental suffering is never be healed, i don't know how to face this reality, but my life is indeed shattered and falling apart, i seriously consider of suicide, coz i can feel nothing but misery since i found out I'm contracted with hpv, only hope i have is the truth, and the real cure!
1: If the virus goes dormant in the body, which means children who used to have common warts on their finger or hands still have the virus in their body?i really doubt that, because so many children have and had common warts.
2: There is no cure for it, which sounds really horrible, how about our lives in the future? how about our sexual lives? can we ever be normal people again? or just like a bunch of monster who spread virus to others? problems which virus caused is not painful, but the mental suffering is never be healed, i don't know how to face this reality, but my life is indeed shattered and falling apart, i seriously consider of suicide, coz i can feel nothing but misery since i found out I'm contracted with hpv, only hope i have is the truth, and the real cure!
Answers based on my online research and esp the Doctors Forum.
1. Most doctors believe the virus goes dormant to levels that cannot be detected by any test. Which explains why women can get tested and go from positive to negative. The doctors on the doctors forum believe (but have no proof of this) that tiny amounts cling to DNA. This also explains why a woman can go from being negative to positive without having sex in between. When someone is cleared (aka dormant), you are not infectious at that time. This doesn't mean you won't ever become infectious years or decades later.
2. No idea what you mean by mechanism. It clings to DNA.
3. No statistic is right. Since men cannot be tested except for biopsy of warts, there are millions of men walking around with it in their bodies who have no idea they have it because they did not get any warts. Maybe 5-7% of people with the high risk strains get cancer but it is very difficult to determine if their cancer is from other factors like heredity, smoking, drinking, junk food, smog, unhealthy water, etc. Since condoms provide 50% protection (at best), it is assumed that most sexually active people have been exposed to it. If a woman isn't getting tested every year or every 3 years, she may not also know she has it.
4. The medical community is not in agreement that a healthy immune system can prevent people from becoming infectious via new warts. Nor are they in agreement that an unhealthy immune system can cause warts to appear again. This "a strong immune system can prevent people from getting more warts" theory has not been proven but I believe it. And so do some others from here.
All I can say is that for most (90%) it goes dormant and you are not infectious anymore. I like that stat the best. There is no proof of this because if someone does become infectious again via new warts, it is almost impossible to say it is the same infection from the past (unless its the exact same strain) or it is a new strain-infection.
The worst stat of all is the CDC claim that each sex partner is a 20% risk being exposed to it and if you have slept with 4 or more partners, then you have a good chance of having it. I don't know anyone who hasn't slept with at least 4 partners in their lives. Myself included. This is why the CDC says the only safe sex is NO SEX. Easy for them to say this but its true. This is also why monogamy really makes sense. It may be boring but its safer than new partners.
The medical community will never agree on the cause or the effects. That men cannot be tested means that if any man is sexually active and they tell a new partner that they are clean, they are either lying to themselves or to their future partner. When women tell future partners that they are clean (because of a procedure they had done to remove the pre-cancerous cells), they are also lying to themselves and future partners because they may be not infectious at that time, but they sure as hell have no idea if they will be infectious some day or not. Given that some warts are not visible to the naked eye, then its anyone's guess who is infectious and who isn't.
1. Most doctors believe the virus goes dormant to levels that cannot be detected by any test. Which explains why women can get tested and go from positive to negative. The doctors on the doctors forum believe (but have no proof of this) that tiny amounts cling to DNA. This also explains why a woman can go from being negative to positive without having sex in between. When someone is cleared (aka dormant), you are not infectious at that time. This doesn't mean you won't ever become infectious years or decades later.
2. No idea what you mean by mechanism. It clings to DNA.
3. No statistic is right. Since men cannot be tested except for biopsy of warts, there are millions of men walking around with it in their bodies who have no idea they have it because they did not get any warts. Maybe 5-7% of people with the high risk strains get cancer but it is very difficult to determine if their cancer is from other factors like heredity, smoking, drinking, junk food, smog, unhealthy water, etc. Since condoms provide 50% protection (at best), it is assumed that most sexually active people have been exposed to it. If a woman isn't getting tested every year or every 3 years, she may not also know she has it.
4. The medical community is not in agreement that a healthy immune system can prevent people from becoming infectious via new warts. Nor are they in agreement that an unhealthy immune system can cause warts to appear again. This "a strong immune system can prevent people from getting more warts" theory has not been proven but I believe it. And so do some others from here.
All I can say is that for most (90%) it goes dormant and you are not infectious anymore. I like that stat the best. There is no proof of this because if someone does become infectious again via new warts, it is almost impossible to say it is the same infection from the past (unless its the exact same strain) or it is a new strain-infection.
The worst stat of all is the CDC claim that each sex partner is a 20% risk being exposed to it and if you have slept with 4 or more partners, then you have a good chance of having it. I don't know anyone who hasn't slept with at least 4 partners in their lives. Myself included. This is why the CDC says the only safe sex is NO SEX. Easy for them to say this but its true. This is also why monogamy really makes sense. It may be boring but its safer than new partners.
The medical community will never agree on the cause or the effects. That men cannot be tested means that if any man is sexually active and they tell a new partner that they are clean, they are either lying to themselves or to their future partner. When women tell future partners that they are clean (because of a procedure they had done to remove the pre-cancerous cells), they are also lying to themselves and future partners because they may be not infectious at that time, but they sure as hell have no idea if they will be infectious some day or not. Given that some warts are not visible to the naked eye, then its anyone's guess who is infectious and who isn't.
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