I looked in the archive here and there were some posts a couple of years back, but nothing specific from anyone who had seriously used a Rife machine.
I remember the first time I read about Rife: it sounded like something from a bad 1950s science fiction movie. And it still does.
Maybe it is; maybe it's not -- that's what I'm trying to find out. The only literature I can find are testimonials from Those Who Believe, but no documented critique of whether the concept is feasible and the thing actually works or not.
For those not familiar, a Rife machine is an electrical gizmo that runs low currents of electricity through your body at specific frequencies, on the pre-1950 theory that each life form has its own electrical frequency, and if you blast your body with the frequencies for Borrelia, for example, it will kill them. (Like a magic ray gun, says the skeptic.) The inventor had the exquisite name of Royal Raymond Rife.
There is a wikipedia article on Rife, suitably skeptical and with tales of people convicted for convincing cancer patients they could be cured, and who weren't.
Yeah, I'm dubious, but willing to learn and evaluate. Antibiotics have their own issues, after all. Any advice welcome. Thanks!
No, haven't asked the LLMD. Hard to get any answers in a half hour 4x a year, much less talk treatment philosophy. My LLMD is a 'more cowbell' kind of practitioner, only instead of cowbell, it's more antibiotics and nothing but.
I haven't read much about Salt/C, but at first blush, it makes about as much sense to me as Rife. Meaning: not much.
However, given the problems I'm having with abx, I'm having to expand my horizons to what would have seemed to me as utterly flaky treatments not so long ago. Nothing like Lyme to broaden one's horizons.
If I decide to delve into Rife, I'll be sure to post endlessly about it here, for educational purposes for anyone interested.
My point before, in case it wasn't clear as written (re-reading it I don't think it is!), is that while I'm doubtful of Rife, I don't think it poses any danger. The salt/C protocol on the other hand, is dangerous.
Double check me on the safety of Rife, but I'm pretty sure if it doesn't work then all you are doing is sitting in front of a device equipped with a bulb that emits at safe frequencies. Salt/C can through off the body's electrolytes to a dangerous extent, and there may be other risks as well.
Thanks for clarification ... but your 1st message came through fine (i.e. as intended).
If the Rife machine turns out to be a fake, I'm thinking I could (for a lot less money) just sit in front of the TV, grasping the electrical cord in both hands, killing two birds with one stone by watching Hawaii Five-Oh reruns and pseudo-massacre-ing the bugs at the same time. But I'm not buying one yet. :)
Okay, I'm in a strange mood today. Feeling good, and so a little wacky.
Thx for data on Salt/C re electrolytes. Mine are touchy already, so it's likely a no-go for me.
Samento: I have bought at least three bottles of the pills at various times (unable to remember that I had already bought it several times ... my medicine chest is full of surprises.) Haven't tried it tho. That said, it's on my list of What To Try After Abx.
I haven't figured out what I'm going to try first after antibiotics (which I would just as soon take, but not sure I can).
Probably will start with supps like Samento; just got a new Buhner book yesterday, on herbal treatments. It's a little more accessible than his other stuff I've read, which is waaaay complex. And, the lists of supplements I read get so long I get discouraged and give up. More research to be done.
Hello and hope everyone is feeling better today,
I'm totally new to this (just registered) and was planning to post my Lyme story and question but saw your remark about Buhner book and thought to share my experience with his herbal treatment protocol (went to kitchen to get my book and make sure its same author and saw that forgot to take all my evening pills - I keep reading that short term memory loss is a sign of Lyme brain). Anyway, I started his protocol 4 weeks ago. My holistic doctor recommended to start treatment while I was waiting for Igenex results (which come back positive with 8 bands) and now I'm dreading the abx nightmare with Herxing as many of you have described.
Here is what I'm taking:
1)Siberian Ginseng (eleutro) - for energy/tonic/adrenal support/brain fog. 1tsp 3x/day. Discontinue for 2 weeks. Repeat cycle.
2)Cats Claw (samento) - raises CD57, good for Lyme arthritis, neurologic Lyme. Start 1 capsule 3x daily and each week increase by 1 capsule. On the 5th week increase to 4x daily. Take for 60 days at the high dose. Reduce dosage gradually when symptoms subside.
3) Japanese Knotweed a.k.a. Resveratrol - immune enhancer, heart protector, reduces Herx.
4) Smilax - reduce Herx reaction. Start 1 capsule 3x daily and each week increase by 1 capsule. On the 5th week increase to 4x daily. Take for 60 days at the high dose. Reduce dosage gradually when symptoms subside.
I use only those brands that are described and recommended in book. It's very important.
How I have been feeling with this treatment? Those spirochete suckers must be dying off as I'm having very very mild Herx reactions: depression, moodiness, very tired, sleepy, no appetite, feeling good and bad in cycles, some memory lost, difficulty with words (have been typing this last hour). I also take many other pharmaceutical grade supplements and powdered food supplement, Xymogen brand. I hope my new LLMD (this other one was in D.C and I'm in Maryland, there is no way I'm driving that distance if I'm gonna be that sick like many say I will be) will not see any interaction between this protocol and abx. Also, I'm using homeopathic liquids for detoxing lymp and liver, having massage weekly at home and will try infrared spa next week.
Hope this helps.
It sounds like you are in good hands with your medical advisors. Thank you for sharing your treatment information. There is no one-size-fits-all in this business, and it's very helpful to compare notes.
A good LLMD is hard to find ... sometimes even finding any LLMD (good or bad) is difficult. If you find that the new LLMD is not as good as your previous one, don't hesitate to switch back. Treating Lyme is definitely an art, and finding someone whose approach suits your particular constitution and ailments is trial-and-error sometimes.
Once you are in treatment, you may not need to travel terribly often.
Let us know how you do -- best wishes, and again, welcome!
I've been using a Rife Machine for a couple years now. I had multiple problems as most Lyme sufferers do. As far as the Lyme goes though, the Rife is what has helped me the most. There are two books that have changed my life. "Lyme Disease and Rife Machines" by Bryan Rosner and "The Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments" by the same author.
For a long time I did not know how to use the Rife. The books made it crystal clear and as soon as I read the books I became a believer because it works!!
You may also want to check out another, what I considered, bizarre treatment, NAET. I tried it and thought it was completely bogus. However, that was my first real improvement. I had many food allergies due to the Lyme and NAET was fast and effective.
The third major issue for me was heavy metal poisoning. Most Lyme sufferers need to address this. I did oral and suppository chelation I don't remember all of the oral chelation supplements but two of them are Alpha Lipoic Acid and Chlorella. The suppositories were Detoximin.
I've been dealing with this for over six years and although I saw major improvements from NAET and the chelation, Rife is what has given me the improvement to want to live again.
Wow! That's quite an endorsement. I'm not familiar with NAET but will read up on it.
I have Rosner's books and find them well written, but have the impression that he doesn't want to say anything negative (or even less than positive) about any of the methods he discusses, so it's hard to pick and choose.
Hi to both of you and thank you very much for all the insight you have provided.
A bit about me so you can understand why I am hanging out on Lyme Websites. I am Metaphysician and run my own Holistic Practice in Cape Town South Africa. I have been treating a patient that stays in Zambia for a very long time with symptoms corresponding to fybromyalgia as well as Chronic Fatigue. She had been going from the Medical Dr to the next and nobody could find what was wrong with her. She neglected to mention that she was in Mexico for a holiday for 2 weeks.
Eventually her bloodwork landed up with a wake-up lab technician that had seen Lyme Disease once before and then only it was diagnosed. You can anticipate that this is not a disease that we see in these parts of the world so everybody was obviously very asleep to the possibility of Lyme's. I was treating her holistically throughout this time by ways of detoxing and diet and supplements. My hands was tied until she was informed of a diagnosis.
Her MD was treating her with huge amounts of antibiotics with no real effect. She has been diagnosed for almost 3 years now.
I bought the "The Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments" by Bryan Rosner and what is said in his book makes alot of sense. I am however not able to get his book on Rife treatments, the reason why I am looking for somebody to assist me that has the book. I had it ordered through amazon books and eventually they e-mailed me after 7 months informing me they do not ship to SA anymore.
I have used a Rife machine in my practice for more than 10 years to treat almost every thing with good result and have to admit that I am not a skeptic to the Rife machine. I have only always had positive results from it.
However from Rosners book it is not very clear what protocol to use with the Rife.
And maybe tdunklee can assist me here. Usually I would start any Rife treatment with a detox program first and then target the specific condition by way of using the right frequencies for it and depending what the problem is I would also apply a program for inflammation as well as infection.
What regime or treatment protocol do you follow and do you Rife every day or do you take rest days inbetween?
I am very desperate to find some sort of a guideline that I can use. This is all so very new to us here in South Africa and I am so glad I stumbled on your forum. Just to have some form of lifeline with other sufferers makes the responsibility on my shoulders feel much less.
She has the borrelia burgdorferi kind and the isolated frequency for that is 380 000Hz. However there are so many other frequencies identified. If you look at the alphabetical list on the following link of all identified frequency treatments scroll down to Lyme disease and see all the frequencies prescribed http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm Would it be good to use them all?
I am very desperate to hear how you apply your Rife machine treatments!
Hello, and welcome to MedHelp. Unfortunately I have not used Rife and so cannot tell you anything about treating with it ...
.... but I did call Amazon just now and spoke with a customer service person, who researched for me and confirms that the book CAN be shipped to South Africa. The shipping fee is about US$14 (compared to about US$10 to ship within the US). I hope that information is helpful.
I am just starting (1st week) antibiotic therapy for Lyme. I have a LLMD and he started me on a rotating 3 antibiotic therapy. Has anyone had experience with using a Rife machine in conjunction with beginning antibiotic therapy. I was just diagnosed after feeling low level symptoms for a number of (possibly up to 10) years. I am fully functional although suffering intermittently from brain fog and fatigue as most prominent symptoms.
Apparently my prognosis for antibiotic treatment is good given my tolerance of the disease, and I thought Rife might enhance that.
I have purchased a Doug Coil Rife Machine but haven't had it delivered yet. I too just started ABX in January and am looking to do this in addition or replacing my ABX. I am having mostly neuro symptoms including pulsating/vibration in leg/foot, numbness, etc. I just started reading Bryan Rosner's book about Lime Disease and Rife Machines.
It is important not to OVERDO it, so I would suggest that you find an LLMD doctor that supports that method. In my book, it states that most people that begin rifing are on ABX at the same time but they find that they are able to go off the ABX. I feel like you do...want to get rid of this as fast as possible, but from my reading, Lyme doesn't work that way because of the life cycles of the bacteria. Slow and steady wins the race is what they say. Ughh.... I wanted it done yesterday! That's my mentality, but I need to change that because you can actually do your body more harm than good by overkilling causing too much die-off at once, etc.
Anyhow, in Bryan's book, he lists a website that you can go to for used equipment. It is www.royalrife (*******). Hopefully that won't get deleted. I just looked at it and although there aren't a lot of current sellers, you might want to keep an eye on it. It seems there are just as many people wanting to buy than sell. So, looks like a made a good investment should I find that it doesn't work for me (but I hope it does!).
I will be talking to my LLMD on my next appt about this and will proceed with caution. I am not sure how to go about starting all this and am just getting into my books.
If you do start, can you please keep me updated on how you are doing please.
Hi everyone, well had my pcr test done by va and they have had two positive test for lyme but wont except my western blot done on the out side of va health care, my test keep comming up with a neg igg level and the igm keeps comming up positive,what i have found out is that the pcr test comes up neg because the diease its self is cronic not acute. If u have a pcr test done for lyme make sure they do a byopsy not the urine or the spinal tap cause it wont show up on it either of those. i have had a lump in my arem pit where i got bit by the tck for three years and now the va wanst to do byopsy on it but i have since then left the va and went to other doctors on the out side i'm awaiting the byopsy from them and to see the id docs for treatment for lyme. what happens when the lyme is cronic is that it hides its self in the ligaments,tendones,and nerves of the body and the infection its self go's away after a period of time it is no longer in the blood stream,i have burning feet,joint pain in elebows,knees,neck,head aches,spin on fire and pain,i ahve knots in my chest ,arm pits and stomack, muscels hurt ,and feel brused and i cant walk or bend my feet at times numdness in my legs and feet and fingers hurt at times ,the tendons are stiff,the lump in my arm pit where i got bite is so bad at times i can not use my arm,i'm in bed most of the time to get out and walk around is very painful. as i have had said if u have 2 bands with the lgm and no igg it does not mean u dont have lyme disease, if untreated u can have a heart attact or get even worse, no two people have the same symstoms, if u have been diagnoused with ms,arthritist,or fybromialgia,please be tested for lyme disease for a lot of people are being told they have these things when in fact they don't. i have filled out a claim against the va and i'm sure to win here in california the doctors know nothing of this disease and they are being schooled by myself,my psyc doctor chief of staff at va as told me i dont have fybro that it is lyme and cat do anything to help me cause he works for the fed Gov. My husband over seas is taking my test to a homeo pathic doctor i have been seen by to get me meds to cure this disease, he tells me they have a cure for it and i believe him for he cured my thyroid problem and the va canst figure out why it is working if this med works i will let u all know what it is,rememeber do'nt give up trying to find a good doctor to help u and i pray for u all to get cured of this crippling disease please for give my spelling
Hello Everyone, There obviously doesn't seem to be any magic bullets for this lyme. Sure, we are all individuals and complicating the issue is all the potential co infections. I know a few people who seemed to get better from antibiotics and have only tried doxy myself. Seems to me the people helped with antibiotics are the minority. I guess I should clarify my point as it comes from a view that the disease can be cured, and is not something one has to just cope with over their lifetime.......I can not accept that.
On Rife, I know of people who have been cured, spoke to them and their stories are very encouraging. I, like Carrie above, decided to get a Doug Coil machine. I should see delivery in the next couple days. Even though I am technically experienced, I cannot deny that I will be overwhelmed. More so because of self treating, as we know that if it works it makes you more ill. Getting in touch with herx's and separating the illness from die-off is going to be a learning lesson vs antibiotics which seemed to me to make me sick but also complicate issues with side effects. At least I don't expect side effects from Rife. I hope to be relying on the builder of this Rife for help and perhaps any of you that have gone this route or wishes to, we can share experiences and knowledge.
I haven't updated on my Rife machine in a while. I received the rest of the machine about a week ago. I haven't had time to get it home (I had it delivered to my office) and haven't put it together yet. I plan on doing that next week.
A couple of notes on why I believe the Rife machine may actually work:
1. The woman that owns my local heatlh food store had Lyme disease. She bought a rife machine and she now feels 100% better. I think she still sits in front of it periodically for maintenance (because as we know, we don't know if chronic lyme is actually ever "cured"). She swears by it!
2. When I was a Burrascano's conference in Santa Rosa a few months ago, the panel of doctors took questions from the audience. I think doctors (MD's) are reluctant to say anything because Rife is not FDA approved, but two doctors chimed in. Someone had asked about Rife for Lyme and he said something along the lines of "80% of my paitents report significant improvement when incorporating Rife into their routine). Another doctor then grabbed a mic and said "I'll just add the word COIL". What he meant be this was that if you are going to do it, to use a coil type of machine...probably the Doug Coil.
When I orginally posted, I was having a hard time with the ABX because of stomach issues. I am knocking on wood right now, but my digestive system is tolerating them much better now. However, I am worried about the long term use of ABX and if the Rife machine helps, then I will be soooo happy.
I was thinking that it sounded kind of weird that the electronic frequencies can kill the bacteria but then look at these other types of things we do to help us. I am not a doctor, obviously, but what about ultrasound for breaking up muscle fibers (which I have had done and it worked), what about laser surgeries for different stuff. Why can't rife work? Also, they have a new type of allergy elimination machine that is electric frequencies too and I've heard great things about that.
Bottom line, I don't know if the rife is going to work, but I've spent ten of thousands of dollars this last year trying to get better. One stinking doctor appointment with a neuro is $650 or more. Why wouldn't I take a leap of faith and try this. It's my health and to me, that is more important than anything because without your health, life just isn't as good.
I will report back in a few weeks. Like Pennysguy above, I don't know where the heck to start with this whole thing, but I'll figure it out!
I also received my Infrared Sauna (actually, my second one). The first one I ordered came with a broken glass door. The company though has been awesome and I'm sitting here waiting for the delivery now!
Your message to carrie235 may or may not reach her through this site -- her post above is from more than 4 years ago, and I don't recall seeing her here for quite a while. I think this website may automatically forward a message to a previous poster like Carrie, but not sure how long that forwarding feature continues.
If you hover your mouse or cursor over 'carrie235' in the 'To: carrie235' line above will open a small box including the option to 'send message'. If Carrie still has the same email address that she previously registered with this website, then this website will forward your 'send message' instruction to Carrie's personal email address. All of this means: she may or may not get your message or respond. just fyi.
About Rife generally, other posters have also occasionally posted about Rife, and you can search this Lyme topic by typing 'rife' into the search box at the top of this whole message page. Scroll up to the top of this page, and above the pretty colored tree design in the header, you will also see a blue banner with the following topics:
MedHelp -- communities -- health tools -- information -- My Medhelp -- Logout -- [ ____________ magnifying glass symbol]
The ________ is where you can type in search terms, such as simply 'rife' and see what comes up that others may have posted.
And one other possible approach: Start a new post of your own and title it something like "Anyone used Rife machine against Lyme?" and see what responses you get.
Sorry this seems so complicated, but it might get you some information that's helpful. Best wishes to you, and let us know how you do.
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