I believe that if you deny Jesus then heaven probably will not be open to you. I do struggle with this because Jesus forgives everyone. But to deny him is the ultimate. So the more I think about this the more I am on the fence. I know what the Bible says, but would Jesus really cast someone into hell? It's like saying, what if Christinanity is wrong and Muslim is the right religion to worship, will you be cast into hell because you worshiped the wrong God?
Now you have my mind spinning...lol.
Yes, and Yes. Actually the Bible addresses this. Jesus states, you are either with me or against me and no lukewarms. You must believe in God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You must believe that God sent his only Son and that he died on the cross for your sin, and when Jesus descended back to heaven after the cross, he left the holy spirit here with us that we should communicate directly to god and have the same powers that he had (Jesus),when he was here. We hand over ourselves in prayer, repent for our sin and strive to live as he would have us live, with his help in our lives.
You do realize that this is another of those subjects that will come back to bite you? lol
Not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole!!!!
I believe that only the sons of perdition will not make it to heaven. Otherwise, I believe in a loving, kind Heavenly Father who will bring all his children home with him again!
That makes three of us.
jd
Hate to be a pain but desended is going down,asending is going up !
dont think i spelled it right either?!
ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msjfurbvm, J doehv..? Ydbwourn, jw dbgry! ndkwicbcgft!!!
Tha'ts me speaking in tongues!
Have you ever been able to understand a person who claims to be speaking in tongues?
It's a bunch of jibberish! Pure nonsense!
Oh boy. I am gonna stay out of this one.
i hate debating relgious questions worse then politics.. it is such a loaded issue.. i beleiv this is one subject that is between the person and whatever they beleive in be it God, a spirit of higher power
Not even getting into this one...:)
Yes I do believe, yep. I wish I had the time to add more but I have to go out - hopefully tomorrrow or tonight if I don't get in too late or maybe I'll pass on the whole thing until I am finished with my hcv treatment - trying to only post in "stress free" threads:o)....BUT, good topic!,,,,,,as a matter of fact I am on my way to a bible study tonight and my Husband is actually coming,,,,,so he FINALLY is getting into the bible and liking bible discussions. This is truly a God answered prayer for me.....I never liked to beg him to come to church or a bible study and so for him to come to the discussion group - willingly and actually enjoying his time there - really is a miracle as far as I am concerned.....
see ya later.
MO
Make that four, and a 20 foot pole!
Brent
I believe it can be real but I believe a lot of people abuse it. By abusing it I mean they fake it. Yes, there are a lot of fakers out there. It's a shame because then they make all Christians look bad. The Bible says to test the spirits, to be wise and pray for wisdom. That's what I do.
Some true cases of someone speaking in another language I believe are stories I've been told by friends. I'll list one of them here. He was the youth pastor at our last church. He grew up in a missionary family. They lived in Africa. These were Wesleyans by the way. They don't usually believe in speaking in tongues! Well, one day his dad (who was a pastor) had to go to a remote village and felt God strongly telling him to preach the gospel there. He resisted because he didn't speak that dialect. Finally, he decided to preach in English but speak slowly and hope that someone could interpret for him. There was some kind of function going on, I don't remember what. But he got up to speak and opened his mouth and began speaking fluently in their language. He gave the simple message of the gospel. By the time he got back to his car it had left him, just like that. He wasn't able to speak that dialect again. I believe this because I know this family and they're a reputable family. I've heard other stories like this too. In these cases, yes I believe it came from God. But like I said, always test the spirits and pray and ask God if it is really from him. That's all we can do.
Ok, add me to the list with dominosarah, mikesimon, jdwithhcv, et al.
No WAY am I touching this one!
not atheist..just smart peoplke who arent going to caught in a no win debate
I am with you jollyman. I do feel if a person is speaking in tongues and he message is for you, you will be able to understand what is being said. I do believe person's abuse, I can't say they are faking. I'm not an atheist. I read,believe and try to follow the Bible. I do not push my belief on others, but will talk about my faith if I feel led to.
Everyone, thanks for your replys. I grew up in a church that never talked about speaking in tongues but about 8 yrs ago started going to a charasmatic church where they speak in tongues all the time. They say they have been annointed by the Holy Spirit and are speaking the language of God. At first, they said that you need to be able to speak in tongues to get to heaven (be saved) but I think it's been loosened up a bit. I can't speak in tongues. It used to freak me out when I heard it but now I'm used to it.
If you've read some of my posts, you might find it strange that I do believe that Jesus is the Son of the God and through Him we can be saved. I believe that Jesus died for ALL our sins - no matter what "religion" you follow. Of course, my view are very liberal but I do think that life is not black or whilte but that there is a lot of gray. I would never say that a Muslin won't go to heaven or an atheist or Hindu. It's what in your heart that Jesus is looking at and how we treat people as a whole. It's loving and forgiving your enemies and having Jesus guide your life because He loves each of us more than we could ever imagine.
The worst thing any of us can do is judge another person. We don't know what they have been through or their hurts and pains. All of us fall short of the glory of God but God knows this and that why he brought His son to us to die for our sins.
God Bless you all.
I have lots to say, but won't. You can never "win" a political or religious argument and yes debates on those two subjects always turn into arguments. We all think we are right and in reality only God has the answers.
I agree with Jollyman 150%!!
Yes, only God knows the real answers but why does a discussion about it have to be taboo? Why can't we all say what we think, whether right or wrong? Maybe it will make us more tolerant of people who don't think exactly like us. I have been thinking about leaving my current church b/c they disagree with me on abortion, gay marriage, and the fact that voted for Obama who they claim believes in late term abortions (he doesn't). The thing is they think I am wrong but I think that thay just have a different view point than mine.
The Pastor there is great, I feel that he really "gets" it and I get a lot out of his sermons. However the people at the church are shunning me b/c of what I believe.
Again, why does one person thinking differently about religion mean that we all can't respect and be tolerant of each other?
Why? Why? Why? It seems very immature to me.
I believe that each person has their own relationship with God. I think all views are unique and depends on our own personal walk and relationship with God. I always thought that the baptists role was to get people into church and get em saved. And the full gospel church offered more of the main course, so to speak. The people that do not believe in tongues, healings etc, are simply not at that stage in their life yet, but all roles are important.
I liken it to a newborn baby, who can only tolerate milk, then as time goes by they can handle certain foods, then the main meals. I think our faith is similar. Stages of learning based on what we can handle, when we can handle it and how it applies to our life.
I see nothing to argue about, as it is all right depending on where we are in our walk.