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Q...What is this buisness about faking symptoms???
Yeah that's right...medical professionals work so hard to get their degrees...you know staying up all night for exams and preparing for clinical rotations and such just to FAKE symptoms of an illness as debilitating as MS and all for what.....a disability check!! Not....I would much rather make my 60.00 an hour doing what I love. Give me a break. I get the whole we don't take care of ourselves but faking symptoms, come on. Most nurses I know are work a holics just like myself. I ust to jump at the chance to work doubles here in Cali due to the time and half past 8 and double past 12. I never left money on the table if I could help it. Very rarely would I pass up the chance. And when I was Cath Lab, I was on call 2 weekends a month and 2 days a week. Yeah...they figured me out. This infuriates me!!!! If anything, I run the risk of loosing my job if I'm diagnosed. What is this all about?????
Personally I think your presence here on the forum has enlivened it, excited people (nooooo, not that way! Down, girls!) and elevated it. There is so much information flowing, and you are definitely a big part of it, that we are all delving into deeper discussions. Thank you, and I'm sorry I forced you into a late night search for something that wasn't important.
Jazzy - Johnny was referring specifically to comments I made about the health care industry and a uncommon syndrome that is most typical of people in that field (becasue I had talked about it), but usually they are more peripherally a part of it. He accidentally mistated the "education" part. No, none of us feel that people who fake problems are those without an education. In fact, on the Munchhausen's Syndrome that I was speaking of on another thread, studies show that it is most often people with access to a lot of medical info and who are of "above average intelligence." The gain is a pathological need for attention, not disability money.
This disease has robbed many of us of the life we had or had planned. Your career was as precious to you as mine was to me. I understand your agony at losing it.
Johnny is right. This whole thing mushroomed from a comment made by someone unknown in writing to the outrage that all of us would feel if that accusation had been leveled at us. But, it WASN"T. It was just a part of a discussion in general. But, it is notable how painful it is when we perceive that our physicians think that of us. And some have endured the actual accusations of faking. When we are ill and in pain, such things cut to the bone.
Quix
Jazzy - Johnny was referring specifically to comments I made about the health care industry and a uncommon syndrome that is most typical of people in that field (becasue I had talked about it), but usually they are more peripherally a part of it. He accidentally mistated the "education" part. No, none of us feel that people who fake problems are those without an education. In fact, on the Munchhausen's Syndrome that I was speaking of on another thread, studies show that it is most often people with access to a lot of medical info and who are of "above average intelligence." The gain is a pathological need for attention, not disability money.
This disease has robbed many of us of the life we had or had planned. Your career was as precious to you as mine was to me. I understand your agony at losing it.
Johnny is right. This whole thing mushroomed from a comment made by someone unknown in writing to the outrage that all of us would feel if that accusation had been leveled at us. But, it WASN"T. It was just a part of a discussion in general. But, it is notable how painful it is when we perceive that our physicians think that of us. And some have endured the actual accusations of faking. When we are ill and in pain, such things cut to the bone.
Quix
sorry didnt see your post im that slow at typing xx totally agree with every word you said there
Personally I would like to say to johnny that the statement didnt offend irritate or p*** me off ! I think its really hard to convey the right meaning of what your saying when typing on the net .
I know sometimes I post something and then think OMG that doesnt sound right or sympathetic and then I stress about it . Dont know about other people maybe its to do with lack of concentration on my part unintentionally !
Jazzy huggs!!!! if you look at my reply on uk2s post 2 worlds I truly kno what you mean I live in a different world now and yes my life does not resemble what it used to be !! xx chris
I know sometimes I post something and then think OMG that doesnt sound right or sympathetic and then I stress about it . Dont know about other people maybe its to do with lack of concentration on my part unintentionally !
Jazzy huggs!!!! if you look at my reply on uk2s post 2 worlds I truly kno what you mean I live in a different world now and yes my life does not resemble what it used to be !! xx chris
But when you're at work we have no one to floog. You do really that becasue of your protests we downgraded all punishment to flooging. Siddy will testify to this. Sorry I was so hard on you. I also confuse things I've read and where I read them. I don't know why I got so upset, it was a minor detail and is definitely something that some authors would make a point of. It really doesn't matter. Sorry. Q
Folks, the reality is that people do fake things. Some people. And sometimes it may appear to the doctor (especially if they are already skeptical) that someone is faking. This happened to me with my old neuro and I'm sure is one of the reasons he never believed me. He was checking my knee reflexes and they were shooting out like a rocket. For me this is very uncomfortable, I was already jumpy and once I anticipated the strike and my leg jerked. He had laid his hand above my knee and I think this actually was enough to cause the kick, but he apparently didn't. I wasn't faking, I was nervous and upset as I always was when he was evaluating me.
Overall, I do believe that neurologists are far too quick to dismiss as imagined, feigned or exaggerated symptoms that "don't fit together." With MS, because the damage does a hop, skip and a jump around, the symptoms are all over the map. If you are unlucky enough to have a set of symptoms that don't immediately suggest MS, then it may sound like foolishness - to a general practitioner especially. Neurologist are paid the "Big Bucks" to make sense of the weird stuff. The ones that will only recognize classic presentations are the ones who become dismissive, defensive and disdainful. For they are most likely to miss the diagnosis. Then, because they see so many people who they can't diagnose, they begin to assume that it all must be due to depression, hypochondria, or anxiety or even faking. Then, I think, they begin to believe their own rationalizations.
I see a neuropsychologist. These are PhD Clinical Psychologists with very advanced work in neuropsychology. They do testing mostly on the request of neruologists, with whom they have to work closely. He stated outright that the most arrogant group of physicians, in his experience of 30+ years) are neurologists.
Those of us who are or have been undiagnosed have to walk a fine line between really needing for the doctor to see our problem and the possible tendency to exaggerate it. Or the natural tendency of most people to "soldier it through" and minimize things so we don't sound like whiny crocks. That's why we often get flustered. If something isn't bothering you now, how do you describe in sufficient detail for the doctor to "get" how severe it was?
Quix
Folks, the reality is that people do fake things. Some people. And sometimes it may appear to the doctor (especially if they are already skeptical) that someone is faking. This happened to me with my old neuro and I'm sure is one of the reasons he never believed me. He was checking my knee reflexes and they were shooting out like a rocket. For me this is very uncomfortable, I was already jumpy and once I anticipated the strike and my leg jerked. He had laid his hand above my knee and I think this actually was enough to cause the kick, but he apparently didn't. I wasn't faking, I was nervous and upset as I always was when he was evaluating me.
Overall, I do believe that neurologists are far too quick to dismiss as imagined, feigned or exaggerated symptoms that "don't fit together." With MS, because the damage does a hop, skip and a jump around, the symptoms are all over the map. If you are unlucky enough to have a set of symptoms that don't immediately suggest MS, then it may sound like foolishness - to a general practitioner especially. Neurologist are paid the "Big Bucks" to make sense of the weird stuff. The ones that will only recognize classic presentations are the ones who become dismissive, defensive and disdainful. For they are most likely to miss the diagnosis. Then, because they see so many people who they can't diagnose, they begin to assume that it all must be due to depression, hypochondria, or anxiety or even faking. Then, I think, they begin to believe their own rationalizations.
I see a neuropsychologist. These are PhD Clinical Psychologists with very advanced work in neuropsychology. They do testing mostly on the request of neruologists, with whom they have to work closely. He stated outright that the most arrogant group of physicians, in his experience of 30+ years) are neurologists.
Those of us who are or have been undiagnosed have to walk a fine line between really needing for the doctor to see our problem and the possible tendency to exaggerate it. Or the natural tendency of most people to "soldier it through" and minimize things so we don't sound like whiny crocks. That's why we often get flustered. If something isn't bothering you now, how do you describe in sufficient detail for the doctor to "get" how severe it was?
Quix
Guess I forgot to say that I was in an entirely different field of work - the landscape and greenhouse industry before I became ill. I had the world to lose, just as much so as someone in the medical field. And of course, I lost all of it.
Jazzy
Jazzy
The comment of 'not doctors, nurses and highly educated individuals that have little to gain from a falst report' .. um that sort of sits uneasy with me.
Do you believe that 'non highly educated' people have alot to gain by faking symptoms?
J.
Do you believe that 'non highly educated' people have alot to gain by faking symptoms?
J.
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