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ADHESIONS after Hysterectomy

Can anyone tell me what symptoms you had before it was discovered you had adhesions after hysterectomy?I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and now it is 7 months and for the 3-4 months I felt slight pain on my right side and was told by my 2 doctors that this are the healing pains after the surgery.
Now I was told that I am healed and these are adhesions or cancer coming back.
Going for MRI in two weeks.Will se.
I bet my colon is stuck to my voult and that why it hurts.
Any comments. PLEASE.
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137539 tn?1344379928
Adhesions are scar tissue that has built up after a surgery or pregnancy, and usually you don't feel anything with them.  When you do it is like when you go to bend or pick up something heavier than you are used to and you feel a sharp twinge in the area.  if it has built up near the colon than sometimes when you have a bowel movement you could feel pain there, that is the adhesion pulling on or tearing away from whatever it is stuck to. I have had some of these symptoms before each of the surgeries that ended up showing that I had adhesions but they were not diagnosed before the surg.  The last 2 times though I could have told you that they would find them when they went in beforehand. From what you have written it would not surprise me to hear that they find adhesions near the colon.
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106886 tn?1281291572
At seven months post hysterectomy for ovarian cancer, I was sent for an MRI to see if they could find any reason for all of the pain I was experiencing. The pain was bad and getting progressively worse. I would be sitting at my office desk and I would feel this pain waxing and waning.

It is pain that is hard to explain. I had would have aches, then just pain that would give me a jolt. The confusing part is that I would not even have to make movements and still the pain was present. At its worse, I would have about 40 or more moderate to strong twinges of pain an hour. The doctors were baffled since they could not figure out where the pain was coming from.

That following summer, I was sent for a colonoscopy to see why I was starting to have symptoms of Irritable Bowel Syndrome. There was a concern it was colon cancer, too. During the colonoscopy, the adhesions were discovered and the procedure itself gave some relief (after, not during!) afterwards since the instument used stretched out my colon to its origional shape, thus snapping away the adhesions that were colapsing the colon.

The pain came back several months later, and it was at this time that my wonderful exercise teacher at the time introduced me to the bodyrolling of which I just recently posted. Not sure what shape I would be in if not for that intervention. I am not saying this is the answer for everyone, but thinking that I would not be hurting anything if I didn't try this form of massage, I was amazed at the results I got.

Take care, Mary
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Thank you for the information. I had a hysterectomy nearly two years ago and I was full of adhesions from the surgeries I'd had in the past.  I still have the similiar pain you've described and I'm also wondering if I may have adhesions again.  I get them when I stand up from a seated position, coughing, sneezing or doing nothing at all.  It feels like a sharp, stabbing pain and sometimes it's worse than others.  What have you done for the pain?  I can't seem to get any relief.  I wish you the best and hope they find out what's going on.
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Hi, I'm glad you posted this, I had a hysterectomy in March of 2005. For the past several months I have been experiencing gut wrenching pain on my left side, where my one remaining ovary is. I had almost every scan, and test done that you can think of, They suspected ovarian cancer, I went to an oncologist, and he discovered my ovary is stuck to my colon, it will have to be removed, does anyone know the effects of not having ovaries? I am really worried about it. I am 35 years old and I don't know what to expect. I had an abdominal hysterectomy due to cervical cancer. I am cancer free!!
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Ladies I am so glad I am not the only person with this weird pain. I was 4 months preg. (22 yoa) and the Dr removed cysts from my left ovary; I delivered normal birth and had no problems. I formed bigger cysts and in 2005 had a hyster at 35 yoa (one of the best things I did) removing left ovary and uterus. I kept my cervix and right ovary. When seeing my gyne he told me (vaginal ultrasound) I have scar tissue on my right ovary. VERY painful during intercourse; and I am finding that more and more everyday I have pain. Some I can talk myself out of and others I am using OTC pain reliever and well as RX stronger stuff. For the past 2 months I have had a lower back problem, that just doesnt seem to go away no matter what I try. Heating pad, sleeping pattern, or not sleeping in my bed. Over this weekend I have come to a conclusion that maybe the lower back pain is related to "scar tissue"/adhesion. My pain is on my right side (right ovary still present with scar tissue) and lower back. What is this exercise that got you some relief? I am all for removing the right ovary it is not fuctioning properly anyway and I have been on Estrogen for some time now. Any suggestions would be great! Kimberly 37
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119341 tn?1232563757
The excercise is called body rolling. I copied this from Ms. Mary53's post last year sometime.

She said that it is as if some of our insides "glue together" and that this releases much of the gluing because of all the blood, thus oxygen, it brings to the area. It seems to break up the adhesions and it worked for me. She intended to teach elderly people because the "gluing" is so bad as we age if we don't treat it. I figured that if it worked for adhesions that formed naturally in our body, it should work for surgical adhesions.

It is truly amazing. I noticed a HUGE difference immediately. When I sat up after the fist time I did this (about a 15 min. session) I could feel a "FLOOD" or a Rush of blood or something! going to that area. After having pain about 40 times an HOUR for over a year and a half after my surgery, my pain decreased to only about 10 times a DAY for a few seconds at a time. I did this procedure again about a week after the first one and that gave me even more relief. I think it was about four months til I had to do it again. Now I do it about once a year, if that. I have been virtually pain free, ,aside from a dull ache now and then, from adhesions since learning this technique.

The idea is you want to get the blood to the bone, not just the muscle....so it floods the tendons and gets lots of oxygen there to start healing and breaking up the adhesions.

**My instructor told me to think of a steak and how the tendon is sort of splotchy with blood where it is attached to the bone...well, you want to get the blood totally to the bone so as to really break things up. Regular massage is not "deep" enough.


The ball I used measures 16 inches. Again, though, I did not get the ball thru the website (Body rolling is a dot com, one word, and you can learn about the woman who developed the technique. Anyway, I got just an ordinary ball in a toy section at Target and it looked similar to the one the instructor had used. The ball I have has a picture of Blues Clues on it! Hey, it works. It probably is bigger than the ones they recommend, but, if you think about it, it is squishy to the point where once all my weight is on it, it probably shrinks down to about ten inches. And, I just put my "front" onto the ball for the pelvic pain and not my back.

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Here is how I did it...leaning my body wt. into it, literally placing the ball underneath me and "rolling" on it...slowly.

I would lay on the pubic bone and then take about four minutes or so to SLOWLY (while remembering to take deep breaths now and then) work my way out to the right side where the ovary once was on that side. After you get there, go back slowly to the pubic bone...breathe deeply. When you get to the pubic bone again, then go to the other side, following a path, if you will, of where you imagine the falopian tube once was. So, you are rolling in something like a "V" formation. After you get to the left side where the ovary once was, then go back to the pubic bone...and, you are done. But, take about 15 minutes to do the whole procedure.
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106886 tn?1281291572
Paula, You're the best! Paula is truly my "adhesion sister!"  Thanks for posting when I can't or when I don't see an adhesion post.

I will check the site tomorrow to see if there are any questions. Just today I spoke with the doctor who did my laporoscopy in June and was shocked and amazed that there was NOTHING...no debries that is....no scar tissue....no adhesions....after having major abdominal surgery (total hysterectomy in 2000). He said that even with surgeries less invasive (in the abdominal area) you always see SOMETHING...some type of debries when doing subsequent surgeries. He said he'd never seen anything like it before and had to consult with his partners to share his observations. All thanks to that little "Blues Clues" ball!  

I'd had the recent surgery so that I could get some answers to why I was in so much pain and had been in pain since Dec., 2006....I was actually hoping we would find adhesions so I could get them taken care of and get on with my life....NOTHING. Clean as a whistle.

Turns out I have a ruptured disk in the lumbar region and this was confirmed after an MRI and a nerve/muscle test. I did not display typical symptoms, so this was very difficult to diagnose, but FINALLY I have some answers and will start physical therapy in a few weeks.

Take care,

Mary
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119341 tn?1232563757
I just typed out a responds to you and I hit that damn back to forum button yet again. It's the biggest button so I click it instead of Post Comment button. But to let you know I replied to you about Heather on the other site, and forgot to say how happy I was to hear that you finally got an answer regarding the pain. Hopefully physical therapy will take care of the problem, and if they do the electro therapy, you'll love it. You get to relax for about 15 minutes, they put a nice warm blanket on you, and send little shocks of electro into your back. It feels a little tingly. Its nice. Let us know how it goes. Paula
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Question about body rolling - can you do it by dvd at home safely or do you need instruction first?  I have done Yoga and  Pilates in the past so have some feel for these movements.  I will be having my second ovary removed soon and would like to clear some of the adhesions I have from my first surgery and will probably get from the next.

Liz
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106886 tn?1281291572
Hi Liz,

Try a google search using the following words...Yamuna body logic. Yamuna Zake is the creator of Yamuna Body Logic and Yamuna Body Rolling™.  You will find many websites that explain the body rolling massage...how it works, why, etc. Yamuna is the name of the woman who developed the technique, I believe. Her picture shows up on the websites.

I never ordered work from the website since my exercise instructor taught me how to do it in a half hour session. It was amazing.

I do always make sure I let people know that I am not a doctor, and certainly suggest that you check with the doctor before doing deep massage in this area. It seems to be a well-kept secret, though. My doctor had never heard of this technique to break up adhesions and figured I would have to live in pain for the rest of my life from the adhesions. I have only talked with a few other people who  are familiar with the idea of doing massage to keep adhesions and scar tissue at bay...or, as in my case, away completely after having many adhesions six years ago. Simply Star on this site is also familiar with using massage in this way and she is another resource if she does not mind me saying so!

Best of luck to you.

Mary
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Wow, I never knew there were web sites dedicated to adhesions.  I thought I was destined to travel this road alone and nobody would ever understand how it feels.  I am so glad I found this page and have read the comments.  Now I don't feel so lonesome with this pain.  I had 2 C sections and 1 ovary removed and a hysterectomy.  The ovary removal was a direct result of adhesions being attached to my ovaries and pulling them all the way up under my abdomen.  I went through 2 years of pain and doctors telling me it was in my head before they finally figured it out.  Adhesion problems again resulted in the hysterectomy.  Then years later the pain came back and although I told the doctors that I thought it was adhesions they still took almost a year to finally agree and go in and cut them.  That was 2 years ago.  Now I have the same thing going on again and once again the doctors are acting like I don't know what I am talking about.  The whole trip has been very frustrating and sometimes I just want to give up.  People just don't believe the pain that these adhesions can cause.  I am going to try the exercise posted here and hope it helps like it did for y'all.  Thank you for sharing.  It made my day to know I am not alone.
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I too have suffered from adhesions (2 previous C-sections and hysterectomy) for several years.  It started out with abdominal soreness when I would wake up in the morning. About 7 years ago when a colonoscopy was attempted it couldn't be completed due to adhesions.  I had a Gyno give me a gel that is used for people who use a pessary and believe it or not that seemed to help....maybe helped with the friction that adhesions caused between organs?  
Long story short I recently had both ovaries (and the cysts on them) removed and at the same time they scraped out adhesions (which stuck ovaries to intestines as well as bladder was covered).  He used a new product that is supposed to help prevent future adhesions.  It was done laproscopically so I hope the surgery doesn't cause more.  My doctor feels that the adhesions were the main cause of pain for me rather than the cysts.  I had been experiencing right pelvic pain for about a year that my internist thought was more of a chronic appendicitis.  Then about 4 months ago the pain was at times severe which led to us trying to figure out the cause.  
My surgery was one week ago today and I feel great!  It is so nice to be without all the pain!

Good luck to you....I think I will try these massages myself to prevent future adhesions.
:)
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146692 tn?1314331773
will be getting a ball asap, ty for the info, as always woman on this site are more helpful then docs sometimes. really appreciate your time and research ladies.
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I have read your comments and guess I have a little different question. I'm almost 55 and had a complete hysterectomy 6 weeks ago. Recovering went great, still having to take some hormone for hot flashes (thought I would be finished with that as I've been post-menopausal for a about 4 years). Anyway I decided to have massage for shoulder/back pain related to past injuries and last week the therapist gave me a deep tissue massage. He also had me lay on my back and did deep massage on the inside of my hip bones/stomach. It hurt pretty bad at the time, I told him I'd had the surgery recently, but he didn't seem to think that was a problem. Well now it's been 4 days and my pelvic/abdomen area hurts more that after the surgery. Could he have damaged some healing tissue or something? Has anyone had this type of experience or problem? Maybe I'm just worrying for nothing.
thanks for any info.
sandy
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16702 tn?1234090645
Think you might have had your deep massage too soon after your hysto...Was told by my surg no heavy lifting, no massages, no pressure on incision area for at least 6 months
There is probably some bruising now and in the rehealing proccess
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167426 tn?1254086235
I am afraid yes, the deep massgae was too soon after your surgery.  give those surgical sites time to heal now. Take it very easy. No lifting, no strenous exercize and  if it continues to hurt,  better get a flat abdominal x ray. Watch also for any spotting of red or brown discharge. Those interanal stitches/clamps have to grab a good hold on the tissue.
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106886 tn?1281291572
Hi to Spiritlaughing, A few amazing things have happened this evening..first of all, you are the first person I have spoken to who had difficulty getting through a colonoscopy due to surgical adhesions. The other thing is....wow, I was going through the archives on this forum last night and was really digging and although I only read about 20 posts, this was one of them and I picked it rather randomly. Amazing. Other than the fact that I need more excitement in my life :) I have been working on further developing my intuition and such. Since I work with troubled kids, you can understand that many of them start our program with a feeling of hopelessness about their lives so this has helped foster my interest in the areas of positive thinking and the power behind that as well as the law of attraction, etc...Those of you who know me know I am not out howling at the moon each evening, but I have been amazed at the depth to which my intuition, etc, has grown.

Who knew that a post on surgical adhesions would bring up such deep thoughts?

I am going to post again as I have a quick question for Star (who, by the way was the first person I ever met who had also heard of using massage to break up adhesions!

Mary
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106886 tn?1281291572
Sorry...I meant it was Lynn who also had that difficult experience with the colonoscopy....and, just for the info of those who have not had one of those lovely tests...they are not bad at all...but, when I had my second, which was last winter, my adhesions had all cleared up (confirmed when I had an exploratory lap in June) and the test was nothing. Prep, not so great; test, no big deal....

Mary
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106886 tn?1281291572
Quick question...I do recall when I first met you and discovered a fellow believer in massage for adhesions that some women on the board were told to do a self massage during the hospital stay so as to break up adhesions. Do you recall those posts? I remember that at the time I wondered if this would be okay to do, but I suppose a self massage while in a hospital bed after major surgery, you would not have all the strength you would typically have. Also, anytime you do the massage on yourself, it would not be as strong as someone doing it to you....or even as strong as laying on the ball, which puts forth a lot of pressure.

Where do you stand on the self-massage. Just wondering.

Thanks...Mary
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167426 tn?1254086235
Only time when I was working as a nurse in OB and we advocated self massage  was to firm up the uterus after delivery to stop bleeding. I do know that a massage by a professional should not be done after abdominal surgery because of the internal incisions. Also it can form blood clots if any bleeding should occur from the massage. Adhesions do not start forming that quickly any way. when I worked with surgical patients  I remember telling them the same thing we do to all the Laperotomy and scope women, let the internal healing happen. even with the scope, cutting was done and no doctor wants his/her handy work messed up. Stitches can be pulled out of tissue and clamps can be shoved out of place.  I think the ball rolling should not start until at least 3 months after any major surgery, it takes time for those adhesions to start growing and attaching to organs. even started later they do break them up quite well.  As far as self massage goes, I feel it should only be done after surgery with a doctors approval.  Best thing to do after any surgery is to get up and about as much and as soon  as possible and swing those arms, walk and maybe leg lifts if you feel like it.  Praying for no more snow for us this Winter, I missed those 2 big ones while I was gone.
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106886 tn?1281291572
Well, that is what I thought, too, and I remember at the time being a bit baffled that someone would have been told to massage that area. I didn't want to even look at "that area" after my surgery. And, I agree on the time frame, too, as far as gosh at least 3 months. It was at about 4 and 1/2 months that mine started to give me big problems. But, in my case, I did not find out about the body rolling until over a year and and a half later and still was able to get total relief eventually. I was in so much pain and the doctors were unsure what was going on, that I guess I figured I had nothing to lose and was all healed at the site of the hysterectomy anyway. But, I would be nervous about anyone starting it too soon. Just knowing it is out there is a huge bonus...

OK..NOW I am going to bed. We have been lucky with the snow issue here in MN...I have a longer commute now since I switched job sites, so I am very grateful. Now I am just waiting for this arctic air to pass.

Take care, Mary
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Thank you for your comments. I know you're right. I should have known better, and followed my "gut" feelings, I didn't feel that it was right at the time, that it was too soon after surgery for that type of massage but I didn't stop it. I've only had two massages in my life, thought I'd start a program this year to help alleviate the back/neck pain I've been plagued with for many years. I just pray I don't have any real damage from it other than being sore.

Thanks again & God bless,
Sandy
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106886 tn?1281291572
Hi Sandy,

Just a quick note to say that I hope you are feeling better soon...and, also that I hope you didn't think I was being critical of you when you posted about the deep tissue massage. I would have been in the same spot ....in that I have actually never had a massage (other than the ball rolling thing I do to myself) and I would have figured the person knew what they were doing.

I have been a bit wrapped up in the posts lately since I have sort of jumped back onto this board after not posting much over the last year since I was being treated for a ruptured disc and just getting the dx was a journey in and of itself. But, I do encounter many discussions about adhesions and so I wanted to toss a few ideas about and ask more questions. But, looking back on this post, it may have looked like I was dismissive of your questions and pain. So, as I said, I hope you are feeling better. By the way, I was in a car accident in 1997 and have had neck issues since then, so I feel for you there.


STAR....thanks for your opinion on the rolling. I was digging through old posts the other night and was able to clear up my own confusion since I thought I recalled women being told to do the self massage while they were in the hospital! But, actually I was remembering a comment you made about how great the ball is (and I know I was happy to hear that...and thatnks for the suggestion on the squish medicine ball. I bought one after you mentioned that)......but that your daughter got a deep massage ...one a week as I recall. And, that at about six months post op she was doing well regarding no adhesion pain. Sorry for the confusion.

I will keep, as always, remind others to be wary of doing too much, if anything, in that area until they are completely healed and checking with the doctor on this since it is an aggressive massage.

Thanks, Mary
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Thanks for your input, and I don't think you were being critical at all, I only wish you'd been there to discourage me from doing it in the first place. I did talk to my doc's nurse this a.m., and she told me if I didn't feel better by the end of the week to come in, but that since I'm not having any spotting, she thinks there's probably just bruising, like Star said. And not to do again for several months and to ease into any exercise except walking. I do notice an area on my lower abdomen that seems to bulge out alittle more, but I have too much flab in that area anyway, so maybe it was there before & I never noticed. Oh well, lesson learned for sure. Also, I didn't realize there was such a thing as adhesions, I hope I don't have a problem with that, but it's good to know there's some relief with the rolling ball if I need it (much later on, of course).

I hope your back is better now. A ruptured disc doesn't sound fun at all. Take it easy and thanks again. Also, you guys can send some snow my way, for just a day or two. I'm in Texas, we still have green tomatoes on the vine, lowest it's gotten here this winter has been 28.

Take care,
Sandy
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