laparoscopy for Ovarian Cancer?

[kd0522]

I have been having constant lower-central and left-sided abdominal/pelvic pain since May and don't know what to think.  I've been through so many normal-result tests (pelvic u.s., two ct scans, colonoscopy, cytoscopy) it makes my head spin, and I'm not sure what I even trust to be accurate now!  The latest test, and the one concerning my question, was a diagnostic laparoscopy.  My gyn. was looking for possible (but doubtful) endometriosis or anything else that might be causing my pain.  The left side revealed nothing, but the right side (which never hurts) had adhesions from the ovary to the intestine because of a necrotic (sp?) appendix.  Gyn. called in a general surgeon to remove appendix, but nothing else was seen to be abnormal.  The pain I've had since May persists to this day, and I don't think I've ever even asked the simple question, "Did the laparoscopic surgery rule out ovarian cancer?".  Can anyone out there help?

[Mary 53]

Thanks for the great responses...and thanks for the advice on the type of ball you have used, SimplyStar...I have never tried a medicine ball for this. I will look into it, although, I have not had to do the ball rolling for over a year and a half now (six years after my surgery).

I have been away from my computer much of the time the past few days. I will re-read this post and see if I need to add anything to this thread.

Take care to all!

Mary

[PPhelps]

I'm not Mary53, but I copied this from her thread ages ago, (so I'd always have a copy), about body rolling. Hope this helps.

Paula

PS: I also copied it and gave it to my gyn.

She said that it is as if some of our insides "glue together" and that this releases much of the gluing because of all the blood, thus oxygen, it brings to the area. It seems to break up the adhesions and it worked for me. She intended to teach elderly people because the "gluing" is so bad as we age if we don't treat it. I figured that if it worked for adhesions that formed naturally in our body, it should work for surgical adhesions.

It is truly amazing. I noticed a HUGE difference immediately. When I sat up after the fist time I did this (about a 15 min. session) I could feel a "FLOOD" or a Rush of blood or something! going to that area. After having pain about 40 times an HOUR for over a year and a half after my surgery, my pain decreased to only about 10 times a DAY for a few seconds at a time. I did this procedure again about a week after the first one and that gave me even more relief. I think it was about four months til I had to do it again. Now I do it about once a year, if that. I have been virtually pain free, ,aside from a dull ache now and then, from adhesions since learning this technique.

The idea is you want to get the blood to the bone, not just the muscle....so it floods the tendons and gets lots of oxygen there to start healing and breaking up the adhesions.

**My instructor told me to think of a steak and how the tendon is sort of splotchy with blood where it is attached to the bone...well, you want to get the blood totally to the bone so as to really break things up. Regular massage is not "deep" enough.


The ball I used measures 16 inches. Again, though, I did not get the ball thru the website (Body rolling is a dot com, one word, and you can learn about the woman who developed the technique. Anyway, I got just an ordinary ball in a toy section at Target and it looked similar to the one the instructor had used. The ball I have has a picture of Blues Clues on it! Hey, it works. It probably is bigger than the ones they recommend, but, if you think about it, it is squishy to the point where once all my weight is on it, it probably shrinks down to about ten inches. And, I just put my "front" onto the ball for the pelvic pain and not my back.

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Here is how I did it...leaning my body wt. into it, literally placing the ball underneath me and "rolling" on it...slowly.

I would lay on the pubic bone and then take about four minutes or so to SLOWLY (while remembering to take deep breaths now and then) work my way out to the right side where the ovary once was on that side. After you get there, go back slowly to the pubic bone...breathe deeply. When you get to the pubic bone again, then go to the other side, following a path, if you will, of where you imagine the falopian tube once was. So, you are rolling in something like a "V" formation. After you get to the left side where the ovary once was, then go back to the pubic bone...and, you are done. But, take about 15 minutes to do the whole procedure.

[kd0522]

Thanks, RavenLady!  I'm not sure what the ball-rolling thing is, but sounds interesting!  My gynecologist doesn't see any visible endometriosis and really wants to rule that out.  Maybe a round of Depo-Lupron?  Personally, I'm trying to avoid it!  She also isn't worried about ovca, and I guess I should relax on that, too.  None of my tests point in that direction, but I can't help but keep it in the back (sometimes front) of my mind!  Regarding the urinary issue, I do have UTI's (esp. post-coital) and one of the first things my urologist did was to look at an ultrasound of my kidneys (normal), and then do a cystoscopy (fyi - I also posted on the gastro patient/doc. forum - more detail there).  The scope showed nothing, but I am going to a different urologist in a few weeks.  Mine works a few days a week, so she's almost impossible to get into.  

Thank you so much for your support.  I'm increaingly frustrated with my body AND doctors!

[SimplyStar]

The medicine ball is the best thing for adhesions. Everyone after abdominal surgery should start using it asap. Adhesions may start to form in 3-4 weeks. Marys post is the best advice you can get for this. I bought daughters at WalMart back in the sporting good dept.

[RavenLady]

Hi KD,
     I confess I am left with more questions than answers to offer at this point but bet thats fairly magnified for you!  The pain on the left versus the adhesions on the right makes me wonder.  Does not seem that one could have a thing to do with the other but just in case, I suggest Mary53' ball-rolling routine on whatever schedule she suggests, I have heard it does wonders for adhesional pain which I also understand can be significant.
     So all I know so far, like you, is that you have ruled out many things but not all.  At this point I am guessing you are wondering about your perceptions.  Don't!  Work with the adhesion, even though it is not the pain side, and keep up your pursuit.  Wondering is you have hgad the urilogical side checked out.  The kidneys/uriter/bladder side of things?  Lack of "U
     Lack of UTI's does not a healthy plumbing system make!  My 21yr old son just had surgery in August for a urital system defect he had always had that would have killed him but for a "lucky" punch from a rough-housing true friend.  He the experienced blood in his urine and then, months later, major surgery where his Doc discovered that his urital was in the wrong place and his kidney all but totally shut down from this.  Hi Surgeon relocated his urital and although he is doing the follow-up testing now (the old hurry-up and wait thing, we know what that is like!), he has been symptom free.  I expect good reports but what haunts me is that he had no symptoms before the lucky punch!
     My point is, you have symptoms and although your previous pusuits' to get to the bottom of this have not turned anything up, if the pain persists, then your pursuit has to continue.  SIGH!!!!  Yowsa!  I can well imagine your frustration!  Hoping my neighbor Mary53 has time to drop by and pint you to the ball-rolling technique.  Even if the adhesions have not a thing to do with your issue, we all work-out so I figure it is worth a try.  I have a ball, by the way, no adhesions but sa broken tailbone-twice, so without it I can't manage sit-ups.  At almost fifty, I need the dang sit-ups!
    Please excuse any typosz as I have a sticky "I" key and a warm purring kitten in my lap.  Welcome to the gang KD!  MV