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When I was injured back in 2002 I ruptured every disc between L1 & S1 and because of work comp it was approximately 2 years before I actually got to see a doctor that knew what he was talking about. I now have degenerative disc disease, spinal stenosisAortic stenosis Blocked tear duct Carotid stenosis, x-ray of the left artery Carotid stenosis, x-ray of the right artery Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Mitral stenosis Pulmonary valve stenosis Pyloric stenosis Renal artery stenosis Spinal stenosis, spondylolisthesis, spondylosisCervical spondylosis between L1 & L2, and a slight curvatureCurvature of the penis of my spine. My Dr and I have discussed a spinal fusion - what he calls a Level 4 fusion that involves two 12" titanium rods and twelve 2" titanium screws. I would never be able to tie my own shoes of bend forward more than 5 degrees - I'll live with the pain thank you. I am taking only enough MS to keep the edge off the pain (90mg to 120mg a day) and according to my Dr should be taking between 2 and 3 times as much to really controlControl Control rx the pain. We have even discussed implanting a morphineMorphine Morphine sulfate Morphine sulfate sr pump, but I would rather not. On a pain scale of 1 to 10 I stay between a 6 to 7 constantly. I have tried tapering off and got down to 45mg a day, but the pain was too intense and left me unable to function at all with my mobility severely restricted. I am addicted/severely dependent to/on the drug to make it through each day and would like to find a non-narcotic that can take the place of the morphine if such an animal exists. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated - Thanks
Welcome to the Pain Mangement Forum. I am sorry to hear about your painful condition.
I know that you probably feel like an addict because of the narcotics you require to keep your pain at bay but you are not. Your body may be dependant upon the narcotics but that does not make one an addict. An addict exhibits drug seeking behavior, takes more narcotics than are prescribed and often doesn't even need them for pain. That is a short explanation without details but I hope it gets my point across that you are not an addict. The Substance Abuse Forum in all probability recognized that fact and that may be the reason you did not receive a lot of responses.
I admire your courage and strength. On the pain scale I too live with a 6-7 on a daily basis. Often my pain will reach an 8 and on occasion a 9 or 10. So I know what you are talking about, many of us do.
I do not know of any non-narcotic medication or alternative that will control to any degree severe chronic pain such as yours. There is acupuncture, TENS Unit, bio-feedback and similar treatments but they are normally enough to control severe pain without the addition of narcotics.
My PCP is a D.O. (Doctor of Osteopathy) that performs bi-weekly SI Joint manipulations, without them I could not function, even with the narcotics. I beleive that these manipulations (along with my stubbornness) keep my narcotic usage/need at a minimum. But alone they would not maintain my ability to function. You may want to seek out a D.O. for an evaluation and consult. No they are not like seeing a chiropractor.
I wish I could offer you better suggestions. And I wish there was "such an animal" a magic non-narcotic pill that would take our pain away and make our lives easier, unfortunately until medical science advances you are dependant on narcotics to function. Dependant, not addicted.
Please stay with us and become an active member of our community. Many find that sharing their painful daily challenges with others who "get it" is helpful. I am sorry for your pain and the choices and challenges that you face. Please keep in touch and share with us how you are doing. We care.
I would tell you this bro, you probably already know. I hear good things about Fenantyl (I have not tried it). BUT I tell you from my experience what to avoid - STAY AWAY FROM METHADONE.
I commend you for looking for alternatives and really would like to watch this thread. I am someone who suffers incredible pain. I am also a person who has battled addiction that stemmed from trying to manage that pain. I know I can't go on forever on narcotics and I also know my chronic pain is going no where. There must be alternatives and I hope to get some suggestions as well.
Thank you for this post.
Thanks for the responses. I do know to avoid methadone and have turned down offers by my Dr to switch to oxycontin.
I am sure that all of you can relate to where I am coming from when I say that I am absolutely bored to tears.
Once I got my pain to a manageable point I thought well now I can read, watch tv, fool with my guns, fish, and so on, but as much as I hate to say it I am tired of all of it and would really like to go back to work. The problem is that I am a professional truck driver who used to run through 48 States and Canada and the DOT will not let me drive while I have a class A narcotic in my system - hence my search for an alternative pain-killer. Several friends have recommended Ultram - aka tramadol - and I was wondering if anyone had any success with this for controlling pain?
I use a TENS units big brother called a NMSD (Neuro Muscular Stimulation Device) that works absolute wonders once I get the pads on and the device dialed it. In fact the relief is so great that I usually end up falling asleep. The downside is that the charge only lasts for a bit less than 2 hrs and it takes 3.5 hrs to charge. I also do a lot of meditation during the day to control breakthrough pain and especially at night to help me sleep. Anyway I will continue my search and will check back from time to time. Thanks again - F
Ultram is an option but I personally don't beleive that it even comes close to giving you the kind of relief you would need to drive a Semi at even short distances, My husband is a truck driver and even the Ultram will show up in a urine test, especially if your employers don't know you are on it. I wish I had more hope for you or better suggestions, All I can say is you are not alone and I'm glad you found this site. I don't beleive the abuse and addiction site was the right place for you, you have a dependence for an actual reason not an addiction for the reason of getting high. I hope you can understand the difference. The addiction site is great for those who need it and this site is great for those who need this, there really is a difference
Tramadol is not a narcotic but if functions much like morphine. I have tried it and it did nothing for my pain. Everyone is different and it may work for you. Before you make the switch I would investigate if it is an allowable drug through DOT.
It metabolizes much like morphine and as I said is not a narcotic but be sure that the DOT will not consider it a medication that will effect your ability to drive. It also have addictive qualities.
Welcome to the Pain Mangement Forum. I am sorry to hear about your painful condition.
I know that you probably feel like an addict because of the narcotics you require to keep your pain at bay but you are not. Your body may be dependant upon the narcotics but that does not make one an addict. An addict exhibits drug seeking behavior, takes more narcotics than are prescribed and often doesn't even need them for pain. That is a short explanation without details but I hope it gets my point across that you are not an addict. The Substance Abuse Forum in all probability recognized that fact and that may be the reason you did not receive a lot of responses.
I admire your courage and strength. On the pain scale I too live with a 6-7 on a daily basis. Often my pain will reach an 8 and on occasion a 9 or 10. So I know what you are talking about, many of us do.
I do not know of any non-narcotic medication or alternative that will control to any degree severe chronic pain such as yours. There is acupuncture, TENS Unit, bio-feedback and similar treatments but they are normally enough to control severe pain without the addition of narcotics.
My PCP is a D.O. (Doctor of Osteopathy) that performs bi-weekly SI Joint manipulations, without them I could not function, even with the narcotics. I beleive that these manipulations (along with my stubbornness) keep my narcotic usage/need at a minimum. But alone they would not maintain my ability to function. You may want to seek out a D.O. for an evaluation and consult. No they are not like seeing a chiropractor.
I wish I could offer you better suggestions. And I wish there was "such an animal" a magic non-narcotic pill that would take our pain away and make our lives easier, unfortunately until medical science advances you are dependant on narcotics to function. Dependant, not addicted.
Please stay with us and become an active member of our community. Many find that sharing their painful daily challenges with others who "get it" is helpful. I am sorry for your pain and the choices and challenges that you face. Please keep in touch and share with us how you are doing. We care.
Take Care,
Tuck
Dava
Thank you for this post.
I am sure that all of you can relate to where I am coming from when I say that I am absolutely bored to tears.
Once I got my pain to a manageable point I thought well now I can read, watch tv, fool with my guns, fish, and so on, but as much as I hate to say it I am tired of all of it and would really like to go back to work. The problem is that I am a professional truck driver who used to run through 48 States and Canada and the DOT will not let me drive while I have a class A narcotic in my system - hence my search for an alternative pain-killer. Several friends have recommended Ultram - aka tramadol - and I was wondering if anyone had any success with this for controlling pain?
I use a TENS units big brother called a NMSD (Neuro Muscular Stimulation Device) that works absolute wonders once I get the pads on and the device dialed it. In fact the relief is so great that I usually end up falling asleep. The downside is that the charge only lasts for a bit less than 2 hrs and it takes 3.5 hrs to charge. I also do a lot of meditation during the day to control breakthrough pain and especially at night to help me sleep. Anyway I will continue my search and will check back from time to time. Thanks again - F
Take Care
Babs
It metabolizes much like morphine and as I said is not a narcotic but be sure that the DOT will not consider it a medication that will effect your ability to drive. It also have addictive qualities.
Hope this information helps.
Tuck