I tried to get a pain med scrip filled in ky and tore the corners off in an effort to only get the pain meds and not all the other junk my Dr. prescribed. The pharmacy called the Dr. who told them to rip up the prescription. I believe they started to fill the scrip before they noticed the ripped corner. Will this still show up on a KASPER report in Ky or anywhere else that will keep me from getting another Dr. and prescription?
I am sure I won't be of much help, as I have no idea what a KASPER report is! But it struck me as odd that you wouldn't just tell the pharmacy that you only want the one script and not the rest. They could have held the rest on file for you -- no need to rip a script.
Plus, I don't know if it's like this all over, but where I am (or at least with my doctor), controlled substances are written on special script paper with watermarks on it, and it clearly states on that paper, that it is void if there is more than one script written on it. In other words, there would be no "other junk" on a script for, let's say, Vicodin, just as an example.
I'm sorry I couldn't be of help.
btw -- I'm pretty sure they noticed the torn script as soon as you handed it to them. ;)
Trying to get a clearer idea here- you tore of the corners? as in, several prescriptions were stapled together and you pulled the others off and the staple tore the corner? or you ripped the actual paper carrying several different prescriptions in order to just get the pain meds? here, a pain med has to be on a script by itself just like for namnam, so I'm kind of surprised (if that's the case) that they were able to put several scripts on one.
Something here is going on more than you say. I've handed narcotic prescriptions to a pharmacist before that has had ripped edges or corners from staples and never had a single problem. I even handed one in that was crumpled, wet, and had a hole in the middle from being in my purse and having hand sanitizer spill on it. The pharmacist knew me and trusted me so there was no problem, but he said if it had been anyone else he would've simply called the doctor to confirm the script and as long as everything was still legible it would've been OK to fill.
So I'm not trying to be rude, but I think that you must be leaving out details. Generally if a doctor gives you several different prescriptions, picking and choosing (especially if the only one you choose is a pain pill) is going to get you into trouble. Most doctors prescribe things that work in tandem (that is to say they work as a team) with the pain pills in order to achieve the maximum effectiveness at relieving your condition. So if you're choosing not to take other "junk" and just choosing the pain meds..that sends a huge red flag to the pharmacist. It may not have been about the ripped corner at all, it may have been about the scripts you DIDN'T choose as much as those you DID.
If this was an honest mistake and you simply ripped the corner trying to remove a staple or something, I would go to the doctor and discuss it with him personally and explain the whole situation. However, if there's more going on here I wish you the best of luck...most people only get one mistake when it comes to painkillers, and having a pharmacy AND a doctor destroy a script is usually not a good sign. But like I said...if this WAS just a genuine mistake and you have a very good chance of getting this cleared up and not put into any database as a red flag.
(p.s. if you DO have to find a new doctor, I wouldn't go into it with the mind-frame of trying to find someone else who will prescribe pain medicine. after your recent trouble with the pharmacy, THIS could get you into serious trouble. I might try looking for a doctor who offers alternative means to deal with pain, so you don't send the wrong messages to the DEA.)
I'm sorry you've found yourself in this situation. Unfortunately, this very well may be a huge hinderance for you not only in finding another doctor, but also in getting any narcotic meds filled. Altering a prescription in any form is illegal and to be honest, you're actually lucky that your doctor/pharmacy only were told to void the prescription and didn't pursue other recourses.
While there may have been other medications either listed on the same prescription as the pain meds or attached to the pain med prescription, you should not have altered any of them in any way. All you need to do is simply tell the pharmacy that at this time you only wanted to fill whichever prescription it was that you wanted/needed. They usually then will either give you the option of keeping the others on file for future fills or returning the physical prescription to you (provided, of course, that they were on different papers from the pain meds). As stated in a comment above, most pain meds, if not all types of meds, are written on special prescription pad paper that contains a watermark and many do say on them that only one prescription can be written on each page.
My main question is why would you ONLY be interested in getting the pain meds and basically "assume" that the other meds your doctor prescribed are "junk". Quite often doctors will combine medications, sometimes in different class of meds (i.e., pain meds and muscle relaxers; pain meds and some antidepressants can also help with pain, etc.).
In an effort to ONLY obtain the pain meds and not even give the other meds a try, it can very well be construed as non-compliance to the suggested treatment plan and that in itself can be a great hinderance to finding another doctor.
About the best suggestion I can give is to contact the doctor that wrote the prescriptions and try explaining to him/her why/how the script got torn and see if they are willing to continue to have you as a patient and rewrite the scripts. There's no guarantee that they will, however.
Just another word of advice - even if the doctor IS willing to continue treating you and rewrites the scripts, you still may some difficulty in getting it filled - it's very possible that the pharmacy itself has flagged you as having turned in an altered prescription, even if they didn't call the authorities.
I am sorry your having trouble with your prescription. I do know that some Doctor's will REQUIRE you to fill all scripts and not just the pain medication. When this happens the local Pharmacies are aware of this fact and will not fill just one but require you to fill all of them as they are aware of the Doctor's practice in this matter.
I suggest going to speak with the Doctor and explain that you were not aware you had to fill all of them if this is the case. I hope you were not red flagged as this will cause you problems. Some Pharmacist will call law enforcement in cases such as altered prescriptions so you did dodge that bullet.
In the future if you can't afford to have all of them filled let the Doctor and Pharmacy know instead of altering the prescription:)
I hope I didn't step on your toes here Ashelen - apparently we were writing our responses at the same time and I didn't see yours until just now. Yours actually put into much better words what I was trying to get across (of course it didn't help matters any that I was trying to type mine while having my 4 year old great-niece pulling on me to come play :)
dumbbunny - as stated, if you can provide us with a bit more information as to EXACTLY what happened, we may be able to give further advice.
oh my goodness of course you didn't step on my toes! I'm always grateful when someone says the same thing so I don't feel like I'm completely off the mark, lol. I know you're very intelligent so knowing that we felt the same way made me more confident in my response :-).
I think you know to much about "Kasper Reporting" and if you keep screwing around with stuff ( to be nice ) thats Forged. You could end up doing a lot of time in Jail.
Here is a what Kasper Reporting is all about, for those or I should say, Most of everybody that don't know about it and why it is in place.
What Is A KASPER Report?
by mbouldin on March 24, 2010
A criminal defendant in Northern Kentucky may find out the hard way about a KASPER report. Obviously a take on Casper, the friendly ghost, a KASPER (Kentucky All-Schedule Prescription Electronic Reporting) report is a complete list of prescriptions drugs which have been prescribed to an individual. The KASPER is not generally known and is hidden from public information (ghost-like). Kentucky law mandates that all prescriptions filled in the Commownealth of Kentucky are reported to KASPER. A complete list of all medications are kept on every individual.
Generally there are very few who can access a KASPER report. A treating physician is generally the first to access, especially if you are treating with a pain management specialist. They routinely check the KASPER report to assure that patients are not receiving narcotic medication from more than one provider. If found, the doctor may discontinue providing the prescriptions or may turn the information over to the legal authorities.
The following are legally permitted to access a KASPER report: prescriber for medical treatment of existing or prospective patients, a pharmacist for pharmaceutical treatment, a law enforcement officer with an active investigation, a licensure board for a licensee, Medicaid for a Medicaid recipient, a grand jury by subpoena, and a judge, probation or parole officer administering a drug diversion or probation program.
KASPER reports can assist in providing information for an investigation that may lead to felony criminal charges. A report may also provide evidence to show proof of obtaining prescriptions by fraud or illegally obtaining prescription drugs. Most prescription drug users are not aware that big brother is watching. If you purchase prescription drugs in Kentucky, the state maintains a complete list.
If you have been investigated or charged with illegally obtaining or purchasing prescription drugs in Northern Kentucky, contact Michael W. Bouldin at ***@**** or 859-581-6453.
Keep it up Bunny and you might need to call this Guy or someone like him.
Sounds like the junk you might have tore off was the ER off the end of perhaps a script for a pain killer like Tramadol or Morphine. The 'ER' stands for Extended Release, which any addict would not want compared to instant release. That sounds like what probably is the truth here.
The second comment on this post by dominosarah, simply asks, "
Have you thought about getting off the pain meds?"
She sees right through it just like I do. Get help asap.
I just noticed the date of the original post. If you're still alive and haven't OD'ed or completely destroyed your life yet get help, please!
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