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PATM as an autoimmune disorder
Has anyone ever pondered that PATM may be an overactive immune system. If our bodies are constantly in a heightened state, we would produce plenty of antibodies. How those antibodies could effect others is obviously where this theory fails, but it's interesting to think about.
Multiple co-infections (Mycoplasma, Chlamydia, human herpes virus-6) in blood of chronic fatigue syndrome patients: association with signs and symptoms.
Nicolson GL, Gan R, Haier J.
Abstract
Previously we and others found that a majority of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) patients showed evidence of systemic mycoplasmal infections, and their blood tested positive using a polymerase chain reaction assay for at least one of the four following Mycoplasma species: M. fermentans, M. hominis, M. pneumoniae or M. penetrans. Consistent with previous results, patients in the current study (n=200) showed a high prevalence (overall 52%) of mycoplasmal infections. Using forensic polymerase chain reaction we also examined whether these same patients showed evidence of infections with Chlamydia pneumoniae (overall 7.5% positive) and/or active human herpes virus-6 (HHV-6, overall 30.5% positive). Since the presence of one or more infections may predispose patients to other infections, we examined the prevalence of C. pneumoniae and HHV-6 active infections in mycoplasma-positive and -negative patients. Unexpectedly, we found that the incidence of C. pneumoniae or HHV-6 was similar in Mycoplasma-positive and -negative patients, and the converse was also found in active HHV-6-positive and -negative patients. Control subjects (n=100) had low rates of mycoplasmal (6%), active HHV-6 (9%) or chlamydial (1%) infections, and there were no co-infections in control subjects. Differences in bacterial and/or viral infections in CFS patients compared to control subjects were significant. Severity and incidence of patients' signs and symptoms were compared within the above groups. Although there was a tendency for patients with multiple infections to have more severe signs and symptoms (p<0.01), the only significant differences found were in the incidence and severity of certain signs and symptoms in patients with multiple co-infections of any type compared to the other groups (p<0.01). There was no correlation between the type of co-infection and severity of signs and symptoms. The results indicate that a large subset of CFS patients show evidence of bacterial and/or viral infection(s), and these infections may contribute to the severity of signs and symptoms found in these patients.
Nicolson GL, Gan R, Haier J.
Abstract
Previously we and others found that a majority of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) patients showed evidence of systemic mycoplasmal infections, and their blood tested positive using a polymerase chain reaction assay for at least one of the four following Mycoplasma species: M. fermentans, M. hominis, M. pneumoniae or M. penetrans. Consistent with previous results, patients in the current study (n=200) showed a high prevalence (overall 52%) of mycoplasmal infections. Using forensic polymerase chain reaction we also examined whether these same patients showed evidence of infections with Chlamydia pneumoniae (overall 7.5% positive) and/or active human herpes virus-6 (HHV-6, overall 30.5% positive). Since the presence of one or more infections may predispose patients to other infections, we examined the prevalence of C. pneumoniae and HHV-6 active infections in mycoplasma-positive and -negative patients. Unexpectedly, we found that the incidence of C. pneumoniae or HHV-6 was similar in Mycoplasma-positive and -negative patients, and the converse was also found in active HHV-6-positive and -negative patients. Control subjects (n=100) had low rates of mycoplasmal (6%), active HHV-6 (9%) or chlamydial (1%) infections, and there were no co-infections in control subjects. Differences in bacterial and/or viral infections in CFS patients compared to control subjects were significant. Severity and incidence of patients' signs and symptoms were compared within the above groups. Although there was a tendency for patients with multiple infections to have more severe signs and symptoms (p<0.01), the only significant differences found were in the incidence and severity of certain signs and symptoms in patients with multiple co-infections of any type compared to the other groups (p<0.01). There was no correlation between the type of co-infection and severity of signs and symptoms. The results indicate that a large subset of CFS patients show evidence of bacterial and/or viral infection(s), and these infections may contribute to the severity of signs and symptoms found in these patients.
I have PATM for almost 3 years, the first year I did not believe it, the second I was on alert and went to the doctors, a whole year from doctor to doctor, no one found me any defect-disease in my body, I have is a reduction of red blood cells not so severe but they are low due to the high proliferation of immunological cells, but the doctor says that it is normal.
This is a summary; When I did not have PATM I usually caught a cold in almost every change of climate (spring, summer, autumn, winter), the year had like 3 colds or so, but since PATM entered my body did not make me sick for more than 2 years , I did not get sick at all, in the last few months I came to the conclusion that Stress-anxiety affected the PATM more, and also reduces the effect of a good diet, so, as I said, these last months I had a "miraculously" party inside me, because I did not get sick much because of the PATM, when I had a cold I accepted it as a beginning of the elimination of the PATM, since a few years before I began to reflect on all my regrets-resentments-anger of the past, I also started to eat more vegetables, eliminate the milk and all its derivatives, I am also trying to reduce the anxiety-stress, all this summation resulted in the reduction of the PATM gradually to 50%, currently v oy as 2 months improving little by little, every month I feel more energetic and I have the ability to pause the PATM effect when they start to cough-clear, there are moments where I totally control, but to maintain that I need to be very focused. The PATM gets worse when you know that you have PATM and that it would annoy people, when you hear cough-clearing and you become nervous anxious-premiered, PATM multiplies to the point that you get out of there running or your side gets scared without know what happens, people look at you as if you were a delinquent or with hatred, so be more relaxed.
Someone will tell me it's a gas or spores, fungus or whatever, but I say; How do you pass through crystals? Or thin walls? How do you explain the speed with which the PATM travels in an end-to-end theater in seconds or millisecond, or how on an avenue-street you sit on the front or the next guy-goes 40 meters away? As it does not discriminate the climate (cold, heat, rain, wind)?
I do not think that negative thinking is the main problem, if not that; by having or thinking negatively stress increases or we enter mentally anxious, that's where PATM appears, the same happens when we feel nervous-fear either because of lack of nutrients or in a certain event.
Will excessive masturbation bring our state of mind and help the spread of PATM? It may be, if the PATM is a summation.
This is a summary; When I did not have PATM I usually caught a cold in almost every change of climate (spring, summer, autumn, winter), the year had like 3 colds or so, but since PATM entered my body did not make me sick for more than 2 years , I did not get sick at all, in the last few months I came to the conclusion that Stress-anxiety affected the PATM more, and also reduces the effect of a good diet, so, as I said, these last months I had a "miraculously" party inside me, because I did not get sick much because of the PATM, when I had a cold I accepted it as a beginning of the elimination of the PATM, since a few years before I began to reflect on all my regrets-resentments-anger of the past, I also started to eat more vegetables, eliminate the milk and all its derivatives, I am also trying to reduce the anxiety-stress, all this summation resulted in the reduction of the PATM gradually to 50%, currently v oy as 2 months improving little by little, every month I feel more energetic and I have the ability to pause the PATM effect when they start to cough-clear, there are moments where I totally control, but to maintain that I need to be very focused. The PATM gets worse when you know that you have PATM and that it would annoy people, when you hear cough-clearing and you become nervous anxious-premiered, PATM multiplies to the point that you get out of there running or your side gets scared without know what happens, people look at you as if you were a delinquent or with hatred, so be more relaxed.
Someone will tell me it's a gas or spores, fungus or whatever, but I say; How do you pass through crystals? Or thin walls? How do you explain the speed with which the PATM travels in an end-to-end theater in seconds or millisecond, or how on an avenue-street you sit on the front or the next guy-goes 40 meters away? As it does not discriminate the climate (cold, heat, rain, wind)?
I do not think that negative thinking is the main problem, if not that; by having or thinking negatively stress increases or we enter mentally anxious, that's where PATM appears, the same happens when we feel nervous-fear either because of lack of nutrients or in a certain event.
Will excessive masturbation bring our state of mind and help the spread of PATM? It may be, if the PATM is a summation.
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Yo tengo PATM por casi 3 años, el primer año no lo creía, el segundo ya me puse en alerta y fui donde los médicos, todo un año de medico en medico, nadie me encontró algún defecto-enfermedad en mi cuerpo, lo único que tengo es un reducción de glóbulos rojos no tan severas pero están bajos debido a la alta proliferación de células inmunologicas, pero el medico dice que es normal.
Este es un resumen; Cuando no tenia PATM generalmente agarraba un resfriado en casi cada cambio de clima (Primavera, verano, otoño, invierno), al año tenia como 3 resfriados mas o menos, pero desde que PATM entro en mi cuerpo no me enferme por mas de 2 años, no me enfermaba de nada, estos últimos meses llegue a la conclusión de que el Estrés-ansiedad afectaba mas al PATM, y también reduce el efecto una buena alimentación, entonces, como decía, estos últimos meses tuve un resfriado “milagrosamente” hasta lo festeje dentro de mi, por que ya hacia mucho no me enfermaba debido al PATM, cuando tuve resfriado lo acepte como un comienzo de la eliminación del PATM, ya que unos idas antes empece a reflexionar sobre todos mis remordimiento-resentimientos-enojos del pasado, también empece a comer mas vegetal, elimine la leche y todos sus derivados, también estoy intentando bajar la ansiedad-estrés, toda esta sumatorio dio como resultado la reducción del PATM gradualmente a un 50%, actualmente voy como 2 meses mejorando poco a poco, cada mes me siento mas energético y tengo la capacidad de pausar el efecto PATM cuando empiezan a toser-carraspear, existen momentos donde controlo totalmente, pero para mantener eso necesito estar muy concentrado. El PATM empeora cundo sabes que tienes PATM y que este molestaría a las personas, cuando escuchar toser-carraspear y te pones nervioso ansioso-estrenado, PATM se multiplica a tal punto de que tu sales de ahí huyendo o el de tu lado sale asustado sin saber que pasa, las personas te miran como si fueras un delincuente o con odio, por eso estar los mas relajado.
Alguien me dirá que es un gas o esporas, hongo o lo que sea, pero yo digo; como es que traspasa cristales? O muros delgados? Como se explica la velocidad con que viaja el PATM en un teatro extremo a extremo en segundos o milisegundo, o como en una avenida-calle se siente en el frente o al tipo que viene-va 40 metros de distancia? Como no discrimina el clima (frio, calor, lluvia, viento)?
No creo que el pensamiento negativo sea el problema principal, si no que; al tener o pensar negativamente el estrés aumenta o entramos en ansiedad mentalmente, es ahí donde PATM aparece, lo mismo pasa cuando nos sentimos con miedo-nervioso ya sea por falta de nutrientes o en algún determinado acontecimiento.
Sera que la excesiva masturbación aporta a nuestro estado de animo y ayuda a la propagación del PATM? Puede ser, en si el PATM es un sumatorio.
Este es un resumen; Cuando no tenia PATM generalmente agarraba un resfriado en casi cada cambio de clima (Primavera, verano, otoño, invierno), al año tenia como 3 resfriados mas o menos, pero desde que PATM entro en mi cuerpo no me enferme por mas de 2 años, no me enfermaba de nada, estos últimos meses llegue a la conclusión de que el Estrés-ansiedad afectaba mas al PATM, y también reduce el efecto una buena alimentación, entonces, como decía, estos últimos meses tuve un resfriado “milagrosamente” hasta lo festeje dentro de mi, por que ya hacia mucho no me enfermaba debido al PATM, cuando tuve resfriado lo acepte como un comienzo de la eliminación del PATM, ya que unos idas antes empece a reflexionar sobre todos mis remordimiento-resentimientos-enojos del pasado, también empece a comer mas vegetal, elimine la leche y todos sus derivados, también estoy intentando bajar la ansiedad-estrés, toda esta sumatorio dio como resultado la reducción del PATM gradualmente a un 50%, actualmente voy como 2 meses mejorando poco a poco, cada mes me siento mas energético y tengo la capacidad de pausar el efecto PATM cuando empiezan a toser-carraspear, existen momentos donde controlo totalmente, pero para mantener eso necesito estar muy concentrado. El PATM empeora cundo sabes que tienes PATM y que este molestaría a las personas, cuando escuchar toser-carraspear y te pones nervioso ansioso-estrenado, PATM se multiplica a tal punto de que tu sales de ahí huyendo o el de tu lado sale asustado sin saber que pasa, las personas te miran como si fueras un delincuente o con odio, por eso estar los mas relajado.
Alguien me dirá que es un gas o esporas, hongo o lo que sea, pero yo digo; como es que traspasa cristales? O muros delgados? Como se explica la velocidad con que viaja el PATM en un teatro extremo a extremo en segundos o milisegundo, o como en una avenida-calle se siente en el frente o al tipo que viene-va 40 metros de distancia? Como no discrimina el clima (frio, calor, lluvia, viento)?
No creo que el pensamiento negativo sea el problema principal, si no que; al tener o pensar negativamente el estrés aumenta o entramos en ansiedad mentalmente, es ahí donde PATM aparece, lo mismo pasa cuando nos sentimos con miedo-nervioso ya sea por falta de nutrientes o en algún determinado acontecimiento.
Sera que la excesiva masturbación aporta a nuestro estado de animo y ayuda a la propagación del PATM? Puede ser, en si el PATM es un sumatorio.
What you say is right that patm can penetrate through walls, glass, huge amphitheaters....but since you seem to have control over it by pausing the reactions, i dont know what to think of it. :)
Anxiety and stress are one of the contributing factors to making our condition worse. There are times when i feel like ive control over it since i dont hear "some" people cough but it could simply be that their bodies are immune to it.
Eitherways, if someone does control it mentally or not, we're releasing something from our bodies. Its definitely not negative thinking that would penetrate through walls and make the other person cough, right? If we find out what is that we're releasing then it would be easier to eliminate the cause. Just saying :)
Anxiety and stress are one of the contributing factors to making our condition worse. There are times when i feel like ive control over it since i dont hear "some" people cough but it could simply be that their bodies are immune to it.
Eitherways, if someone does control it mentally or not, we're releasing something from our bodies. Its definitely not negative thinking that would penetrate through walls and make the other person cough, right? If we find out what is that we're releasing then it would be easier to eliminate the cause. Just saying :)
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It is not a matter of the other world to control, you simply have to lower your anxiety-stress, mentally you have to relax, because also negative thoughts increase stress, it is simply that, whatever it is PATM this feeds on the component that generates anxiety Fear-Stress, etc. Clearly we have a defect in our DNA or some other physical. You read about the chemical components that are produced when we are anxious-stress, also those of fear, in itself, every sensation or mental state produces a chemical component our body, adrenaline and hormones are an example.
The difficult thing is to apply it in our mind since with the passage of time we create a defect, on the other hand little by little gradually decreasing to the PATM, the feeding is key since it gives us energy, not this other to take supplements of vitamins. The practice of breathing helps, sport helps, eat more vegetable helps, eat healthier help and most importantly; Try to be mentally positive helps. To feel better about yourself, it is important to have self-esteem, a lot of self-esteem, to accept what you have. I am not religious, but the religious will say that it is "evil spirit", and the Universalist physicists will say that it is "bad energy", I just do not know all of that since it is inexplicable to me, whatever the PATM exists and it is real, I recently found a forum where the discussion was about "I cause sleep when I speak or when they are close to me", I think that this problem of PATM has something similar, neither do they have a clear scientific medical answer, many of them went to psychologist-psychiatrist, etc. like us, no one gives them the solution but the problem is, it is more, they said that it is even transmitted over the phone.
In addition to all that, beyond; I am thinking that most of the suicides may pass through these cases, nobody understands us, nobody understands them, the problem is, we only know what causes but we do not know what it is since we are not scientists to study it, a psychologist of the past presented a problem in its class that I call; "Paranoid systemic paraphrenic disorder," I stopped studying it because it could not verify and the guy reports that he had patients who felt or made people feel that the people around him were coughing-clearing, and other effects of the PATM that we know, the same psychologist reports in his studies that the character came to reach the madness to the point that he hallucinated, I guess the guy went crazy because nobody understands him and socially isolated, who knows what happened to him, well, that would be
In addition to all that, beyond; I am thinking that most of the suicides may pass through these cases, nobody understands us, nobody understands them, the problem is, we only know what causes but we do not know what it is since we are not scientists to study it, a psychologist of the past presented a problem in its class that I call; "Paranoid systemic paraphrenic disorder," I stopped studying it because it could not verify and the guy reports that he had patients who felt or made people feel that the people around him were coughing-clearing, and other effects of the PATM that we know, the same psychologist reports in his studies that the character came to reach the madness to the point that he hallucinated, I guess the guy went crazy because nobody understands him and socially isolated, who knows what happened to him, well, that would be
I subscribe to the theory that our bodies are in a heightened immune response state. I had a high reading for sigA, I quote from my report: "High sigA indicates immune system reactions to the presence of antigens from bacteria, yeast, or other microbes". As support to this theory, I add that I, like others with PATM have reported, seem to be immune to common cold, flu, etc.
I also think this has something to do with biofilms, as others on this board have said as well. The PATM-causing microbes shield themselves with this to hide from the immune system. So there is some kind of cruel loop where the immune system senses something is wrong but can't find where the problem is.
I also think this has something to do with biofilms, as others on this board have said as well. The PATM-causing microbes shield themselves with this to hide from the immune system. So there is some kind of cruel loop where the immune system senses something is wrong but can't find where the problem is.
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I don't think it has anything to do with histamines...I went the antihistamine route years ago to test this and it did not decrease PATM.
@soiledsystem
yeah i feel the same, i have never been sick since i have patm, but instead it seems i'm getting more and more food intollerances
@ soiledsystem
what do you mean by "antihistamine route" ?
i don't think we are "allergic" to these histamines or whatever but i think it's possible that our bodies react in a special immune response which sets us in a special mental state and other people react indirectly by feeling it subconsciously by our mimics/body language/negative vibes something like that
yeah i feel the same, i have never been sick since i have patm, but instead it seems i'm getting more and more food intollerances
@ soiledsystem
what do you mean by "antihistamine route" ?
i don't think we are "allergic" to these histamines or whatever but i think it's possible that our bodies react in a special immune response which sets us in a special mental state and other people react indirectly by feeling it subconsciously by our mimics/body language/negative vibes something like that
Well I lilterally have a cold right now so, I'm not sure how well this theory stands. I do seem to get far less sick than my roommates who catch the same illness.
Keltic - you may be interested in a book called the "Biology of Belief." I've been meaning to read it, but I feel like it could help us if we maintain the right state of mind in regards to PATM.
"I went the anti-histamine route" means I did what several people are trying now with the antihistamines and it did nothing/zilch/nada for my PATM (still had PATM).
One woman on the Russian forum wrote that she had cured Chlamydia pneumonia with sprigs of juniper. She insisted and boiled twigs. She washed the nose and even drinking a little. Caution! There are contraindications to the use. She drank yet a decoction of oats in the husk.
Previously we thought only of histamine. Now under suspicion cytokines. If PATMers will continue to have medical tests for Mycoplasma we can do medical tests on cytokines too.
Mycoplasma, the Most Common Lyme Coinfection by Dr. Bill Rawls
Garth L. Nicolson The Pathogenesis and Treatment of Mycoplasma Infections 1999
Garth L. Nicolson The Pathogenesis and Treatment of Mycoplasma Infections 1999
№ - Mycoplasma in humans / Primary location: Respiratory tract / Urogenital tract / Pathogenicity for man;
Available for medical tests
1 - Mycoplasma pneumoniae / + / - / yes;
2 - Mycoplasma fermentans / + / + / yes?;
3 - Mycoplasma hominis / - / + / yes;
4 - Mycoplasma genitalium / - / + / yes;
5 - Mycoplasma arthritidis / +/- / - / yes?;
6 - Chlamydia pneumonia / + / - / yes;
7 - Chlamydia psittaci / + / - / yes;
8 - Chlamydia trachomatis / - / + / yes;
9 - Ureaplasma urealyticum / + / + / yes;
10 - Ureaplasma parvum / + / + / yes.
Not available for medical tests
11 - Mycoplasma penetrans / - / + / ?;
12 - Chlamydia pecorum / + / - / yes;
13 – Acholeplasma laidlawii / + / - / no;
14 - Mycoplasma amphoriforme / + / - / ?;
15 - Mycoplasma buccale / + / - / no;
16 - Mycoplasma faucium / + / - / no;
17 - Mycoplasma lipophilum / + / - / no;
18 - Mycoplasma orale / + / - / no;
19 – Mycoplasma pirum / ? / ? / no;
20 - Mycoplasma primatum / + / + / no;
21 - Mycoplasma salivarium / + / - / no;
22 - Mycoplasma spermatophilum / - / + / no.
Available for medical tests
1 - Mycoplasma pneumoniae / + / - / yes;
2 - Mycoplasma fermentans / + / + / yes?;
3 - Mycoplasma hominis / - / + / yes;
4 - Mycoplasma genitalium / - / + / yes;
5 - Mycoplasma arthritidis / +/- / - / yes?;
6 - Chlamydia pneumonia / + / - / yes;
7 - Chlamydia psittaci / + / - / yes;
8 - Chlamydia trachomatis / - / + / yes;
9 - Ureaplasma urealyticum / + / + / yes;
10 - Ureaplasma parvum / + / + / yes.
Not available for medical tests
11 - Mycoplasma penetrans / - / + / ?;
12 - Chlamydia pecorum / + / - / yes;
13 – Acholeplasma laidlawii / + / - / no;
14 - Mycoplasma amphoriforme / + / - / ?;
15 - Mycoplasma buccale / + / - / no;
16 - Mycoplasma faucium / + / - / no;
17 - Mycoplasma lipophilum / + / - / no;
18 - Mycoplasma orale / + / - / no;
19 – Mycoplasma pirum / ? / ? / no;
20 - Mycoplasma primatum / + / + / no;
21 - Mycoplasma salivarium / + / - / no;
22 - Mycoplasma spermatophilum / - / + / no.
I always get colds myself, plus antibodies are too large to leave through the skins pores.
I'm giving attention to theories asides my own only to disprove them guys.
I stand by my theory of: us being in too deep into patm revolved thoughts and repressed toxic energy. It's all in our heads guys.
I'm giving attention to theories asides my own only to disprove them guys.
I stand by my theory of: us being in too deep into patm revolved thoughts and repressed toxic energy. It's all in our heads guys.
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why do you think the antibodies have to leave the skin? this is the difference to our old theories, that these "materialistic" particles aren't directly causing these reactions but it's our mind due to a special mental state, triggered by these particles, i agree that the mind is involved because i see it vanishing when completely changing my focus to positive thoughts (which is easier for me when eating healthy)
how often do you get colds? Did you notice a change in the number of colds since you have patm? I slowly start to forget how it feels to have a cold lol but I can not rule out it's due to my diet which changed when i began to notice these reactions.
Yes i also think there's a high possibility that we are somehow having to much histamines/antibodys/hormones (maybe due to an infection/imbalance) which puts us in a special negative mental state and these reactions are caused by a subconscious alert signal from our mind which manifests in our body language as well
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