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Always hardest at the end?
I have tapered down to one oxy and one hydro a day. One a day. Half of the oxy in the early morning hours when I wake up in misery at 4 am, Half a hydro about noon, half a hydro about 6 pm, and half an oxy when I go to bed. Sometimes I take a quarter and see if it works.
I think I wont ever be able to get off these last pills. I rationalize with myself every step of the way, one pill can't hurt the baby, the baby can't get addicted to just one pill a day. Then I take it, and I spend the rest of the day beating myself up at how weak I am. I have 9 months to get off the last one little pill. Okay, 8 months. Can I taper the last little itty bitty pill in 8 months for crying out loud?!?
I hate oxycontin and hydrocodone. There is nothing in my life I cannot control but these stupid little yellow pills. Is it possible to taper in such a way that I do not notice it? I have not found it yet.
I think I wont ever be able to get off these last pills. I rationalize with myself every step of the way, one pill can't hurt the baby, the baby can't get addicted to just one pill a day. Then I take it, and I spend the rest of the day beating myself up at how weak I am. I have 9 months to get off the last one little pill. Okay, 8 months. Can I taper the last little itty bitty pill in 8 months for crying out loud?!?
I hate oxycontin and hydrocodone. There is nothing in my life I cannot control but these stupid little yellow pills. Is it possible to taper in such a way that I do not notice it? I have not found it yet.
I have read through this several times. But since I am in very early pregnancy, I cannot take many of the things in the Thomas recipe. I have xanaz and valium a few feet away in my medicine cabinet. But I don't think it is a good idea with being pregs.
Oxy..if you're sure you can taper, then the norcos will stay in the system a shorter time and will make the final cold turkey shorter (hopefully). Here's some information that may help...
This is a work in progress...something I've been working on off and on for the last couple of weeks. It's not considered complete, but has lots of info from lots of sources. If any of the "old timers" have anything to add, let me know and I'll add it to the document. I hope to use this to post a general "how to" every couple of days or so.
Listed below are suggestions for detoxing and quitting an opiate addiction. They are just suggestions compiled from the detox plans of people that have gone through cold turkey detox before. They are just that, suggestions, and any detox plan is best when done under a doctor's care. Consult your doctor before trying any of the suggestions below.
This is prewritten for anyone who is beginning, or planning on beginning, a cold turkey withdrawal to opiates. This includes drugs such as tramadol (Ultracet and Ultram) codeine (Tylenol #3, #4), Darvocet, Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Norco, Lortab and derivatives), Oxycodone (Endocet, Percocet, Oxycontin), Morphine, Demerol. Fentanyl, and Dilaudud. There are many other opiates not listed, so if you don’t see it listed, you can still use these suggestions if it’s an opiate based addiction. None of these apply to benzodiazepine based addictions. These addictions should never be dealt with by going cold turkey. Always consult a doctor for a detox plan for benzos.
First of all, opiate withdrawals are uncomfortable, but rarely life threatening. You may think you’re going to die, but most of the withdrawal symptoms are just very uncomfortable. If possible, take some time off work or schedule a week or so in order to fully detox. You will honestly not feel like doing much anyway. Opiate withdrawal symptoms usually start 12-24 hours after your last dose. But, the timing of withdrawal symptoms depends upon the drug taken, length of time you’ve been taking it, and how you react to medications. The physical withdrawals usually last 3-7 days, with days 3 and 4 being the worst. Once again, this is all dependent on the person. You can expect these symptoms. Dilated pupils, diarrhea, runny nose, goose bumps, abdominal pain, stomach cramps, sweating, agitation, anxiety, nausea, vomiting, leg cramps, general aches and pains, and sleeplessness. This list is not absolute. You may experience all of these symptoms, only some of them, or other symptoms. Again, we are all different. Below is the famous Thomas Recipe. It gives some general information along with supplements that help with the withdrawal symptoms. The only thing I would add to this list is a blood pressure drug named clonidine. It effectively lowers the blood pressure and lessens many of the withdrawal symptoms. Most any doctor will prescribe it if you’re honest as to why you need it. Discuss dosages and frequency with your doctor.
Thomas Recipe:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5. During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it. At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help. With breakfast, take the mineral supplement. As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
This is a work in progress...something I've been working on off and on for the last couple of weeks. It's not considered complete, but has lots of info from lots of sources. If any of the "old timers" have anything to add, let me know and I'll add it to the document. I hope to use this to post a general "how to" every couple of days or so.
Listed below are suggestions for detoxing and quitting an opiate addiction. They are just suggestions compiled from the detox plans of people that have gone through cold turkey detox before. They are just that, suggestions, and any detox plan is best when done under a doctor's care. Consult your doctor before trying any of the suggestions below.
This is prewritten for anyone who is beginning, or planning on beginning, a cold turkey withdrawal to opiates. This includes drugs such as tramadol (Ultracet and Ultram) codeine (Tylenol #3, #4), Darvocet, Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Norco, Lortab and derivatives), Oxycodone (Endocet, Percocet, Oxycontin), Morphine, Demerol. Fentanyl, and Dilaudud. There are many other opiates not listed, so if you don’t see it listed, you can still use these suggestions if it’s an opiate based addiction. None of these apply to benzodiazepine based addictions. These addictions should never be dealt with by going cold turkey. Always consult a doctor for a detox plan for benzos.
First of all, opiate withdrawals are uncomfortable, but rarely life threatening. You may think you’re going to die, but most of the withdrawal symptoms are just very uncomfortable. If possible, take some time off work or schedule a week or so in order to fully detox. You will honestly not feel like doing much anyway. Opiate withdrawal symptoms usually start 12-24 hours after your last dose. But, the timing of withdrawal symptoms depends upon the drug taken, length of time you’ve been taking it, and how you react to medications. The physical withdrawals usually last 3-7 days, with days 3 and 4 being the worst. Once again, this is all dependent on the person. You can expect these symptoms. Dilated pupils, diarrhea, runny nose, goose bumps, abdominal pain, stomach cramps, sweating, agitation, anxiety, nausea, vomiting, leg cramps, general aches and pains, and sleeplessness. This list is not absolute. You may experience all of these symptoms, only some of them, or other symptoms. Again, we are all different. Below is the famous Thomas Recipe. It gives some general information along with supplements that help with the withdrawal symptoms. The only thing I would add to this list is a blood pressure drug named clonidine. It effectively lowers the blood pressure and lessens many of the withdrawal symptoms. Most any doctor will prescribe it if you’re honest as to why you need it. Discuss dosages and frequency with your doctor.
Thomas Recipe:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5. During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it. At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help. With breakfast, take the mineral supplement. As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
Yes, you are right about the oxy's being controlled release. But I had to cut down somehow. I don't get any high from taking them, I just don't feel like I want to crawl out of my own skin if I take a quarter of one.
I am not very pregnant, 4 weeks only. The embryo doesn't even start getting nutrients from me until next week. So I am sure I have a few days still to figure this out. Problem is, I said that a few days ago and I really haven't figured anything out yet. Just that I need to be done and I don't know how I am going to get there.
I am not very pregnant, 4 weeks only. The embryo doesn't even start getting nutrients from me until next week. So I am sure I have a few days still to figure this out. Problem is, I said that a few days ago and I really haven't figured anything out yet. Just that I need to be done and I don't know how I am going to get there.
Exactly. You are very right.
Do you know the best way to taper without feeling like s h i t all day long?
Do you know the best way to taper without feeling like s h i t all day long?
Taper with the Norco's. Get the Oxy's behind you.
Norco's are damn strong themselves, you know, but you have to get down to nothing somehow, right?
Norco's are damn strong themselves, you know, but you have to get down to nothing somehow, right?
Also, yes I think it is a very wise idea to talk to the dr again. Let him know your concerns and struggle.
I do know , well should not say I know b/c I am not a dr and never took oxy, but have heard with the Oxy that the time released thing plays a part in not cutting them up. However, if you are cutting them in half or quartered and not taking ALL the peices that the total amount of medication of the whole tablet is not then being dispensed all at once into your system. But I can't be sure, like I said talk with dr and be sure what you should do.
Let us know how things do work out though ok?
And if your getting too overhwelmed or w/d's are too bad, post as much as you want to somebody is always on here. If it's too bad though you may want to call dr or be seen right away too, just to be certain all is ok with baby. You know your body, and you know I am not a dr so you know what I mean. :)
Thoughts and prayers your way!
Tracy
I do know , well should not say I know b/c I am not a dr and never took oxy, but have heard with the Oxy that the time released thing plays a part in not cutting them up. However, if you are cutting them in half or quartered and not taking ALL the peices that the total amount of medication of the whole tablet is not then being dispensed all at once into your system. But I can't be sure, like I said talk with dr and be sure what you should do.
Let us know how things do work out though ok?
And if your getting too overhwelmed or w/d's are too bad, post as much as you want to somebody is always on here. If it's too bad though you may want to call dr or be seen right away too, just to be certain all is ok with baby. You know your body, and you know I am not a dr so you know what I mean. :)
Thoughts and prayers your way!
Tracy
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