from what I understand they are the same except for the Naltrexone. I have heard that suboxone can cause depression and the subutex many people that take it don't experience the mood swings and depression that suboxone can cause..I have personally never taken either..just methadone..this is just what I have heard..
That is exactly the kind of info Im looking for, if suboxone causes any added side effects that subutex may not. I also know that subutex has an added mg option where as suboxone only has 8mg and 2mg tabs. Thank you SadnMich
your welcome..I also googled both of them and that was one of the things consistently mentioned (depression and mood swings associated with suboxone)..
i was wondering the same thing cause i get really bad headaches from the suboxone, and i wanna talk to my doctor about it, but i know this is crazy but id there a diffrence in price of the pills? right now i pay 6 a pill for suboxone(i dont know if its diffrent anywhere else)
I am not sure about the price..i know in the meth clinic they charged 150/wk..but that was a clinic..you could probably google it..I have read lately about a few people that are having headaches..maybe it's that other ingrediant thats causing that..I think I will google it..
i know right now alot of my headache is due to a really bad ear i nfection, but i didnt have the infection the day i started sub and about 2 hours after i took it i got a headache and i get one ever morning when i wake up? i got my own little method to get rid of it for the rest of the day, i take 2 walmart brand headache meds with a red amp and its gone for the rest of the day within 20 mi ns, but for the past few days when i wokeup it was soooooooooooooooo bad i got sick and couldnt even pick my head up then i would do my meathod and it easied up but didnt go away so i went to the dr and it was my ear making it worse.
My doctor will only give his pt's subutex. I've done both in my days.....and i would take the Subutex evrytime over the suboxone.
See if you can get it from your doctor and then you'll see.
Thanks all, I have an appointment in like two weeks so Im going to ask him if he'll prescribe it, I would like to atleast try and see if theres any benefit in it for me. I also get those headaches sometimes, people who are on higher dosage really report bad headaches and no hearing that depression could also be associated with suboxone, Im hopefully going to be able to switch. Thanks!
I would think they would be the same or less expensive being that they are the same medication minus the naloxone, so less drug components maybe the cheaper. Not sure if thats logical, but maybe. I'll see what I can find out.
just in case I will put the link to my journal here..just cut and paste it into your browser..
OOOPs. i posted the above to the wrong thread..sorry...lol but it's still a good read..about methadone/opiates..
They mostly use subutex in pregnant women bc they say but is not proven. That the naloxone which is narc an can harm the fetus. Which also causes headaches if to much is taken my advice is if you having the headaches or pregnant get on subutex.
I have been battling chronic pain and subsequently opiod addiction for many years. I tried suboxone originally but the taste was so awful that I would be nauseous for hours after taking it. My doctor tried a new form of drug that combines buprenorphine and naloxone called zubsolv which contains a lower dose of each ingredient but for some reason has the same effect as an 8mg suboxone. The taste was more minty/menthol like which at first I thought would help but I continued to get nauseous. One day I ended up in the ER with kidney stones and of course could not be prescribed any opiods for the pain and my doctor recommended taking straight buprenorphine (subutex) which evidently can be used for pain management in lower but more frequent doses (I believe it's actually used as a pain management medication in some European countries. As soon as I started taking the subutex my nausea went away. So from personal experience, I believe that the naloxone in suboxone does have side effects and you may feel better on straight subutex. This of course should only be used by those who won't abuse subutex (which I didn't even know was possible and kind of defeats the purpose but can see how some people may try to abuse it). None the less, I have been opiate free (aside from subutex) for a year and a half and it's saved my life.
On a side note, those with chronic pain may benefit from subutex but I have also found that an SNRI has really helped with my pain. I used to be on an SSRI (standard serotonin reuptake inhibitor for depression and after 15 years of pain they switch me to an SNRI which is a combination of a serotonin and a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. Evidently norepinephrine is one of the chemicals in your brain the travels between brain cells/receptors and plays a part in pain. Taking and SNRI has significantly reduced my pain as well. I am not a doctor so some of the verbiage in here may be a little off but this is my understanding of how it works and it's done wonders for me.