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Any lawyers out there? It should be a crime what some of these doctors are doing to people who come to them for help. Like a doctor who just cuts you off when you tell them you are dependent. They should at least be giving you enough to wean off like the drug company advices.
And who are these doctors that are perscribing suboxone for like a year! Like they don't know that is going to be a horrible addiction to quit. I am thinking the suboxone should maybe be done on an inpatient deal or daily going to the office or pharmacy to get it. It should be more controlled because it is so hard to come off of if you let yourself get addicted.
And methadone, well that just sounds plain old evil.
Isn't there some way to make these doctors responsible for some of the pain and suffering? Expenses in getting clean?
And who are these doctors that are perscribing suboxone for like a year! Like they don't know that is going to be a horrible addiction to quit. I am thinking the suboxone should maybe be done on an inpatient deal or daily going to the office or pharmacy to get it. It should be more controlled because it is so hard to come off of if you let yourself get addicted.
And methadone, well that just sounds plain old evil.
Isn't there some way to make these doctors responsible for some of the pain and suffering? Expenses in getting clean?
okay sorry i misread that whole post...it had nothing to do with ordering online.....but i still think its crazy that people do it
i cant believe docs can "prescribe" things without meeting you...i knoe there is a VERY fine line between legal and illegal when doing this.....i never ordered from internet even at my worse....he!! i dont even download music..even if it says free--legal--blah blah blah...i guess i am just a chicken : )
That is insane!!!! to ask for a fee without a in person visit........That is so disgusting and I would think Illegal !!!
nauty........
nauty........
I seem to remember something about a class action lawsuit regarding Oxycontin a year or two ago. My opinion is that all those frivolous lawsuits out there being brought against this one and that one for ridiculous reasons are only hurting all of us not the major corporations being sued. Example is Wal-Mart payes out tons in lawsuits brought against them from people tripping in their stores, bumping their elbows on the carts etcetera just plain outright idiotic reasons. Well I know for a fact they don't just eat it we pay for it in increase in prices. Lets sue all the doctors and close their practices then when our children need medical help there will be no doctors to help or the doctors available will have so many hoops to jump through it will be next to impossible to get care for our children, family or ourselves. All those people suing for whiplash or whatever other trauma they can invent and falsify just to gain a couple thousand dollars is increasing our insurance cost so high to reimburse the insurance companies. When are we going to take responsiblity for our actions and not blame others for our mistakes. I don't know about you but as for me I am not so ignorant to the fact that opiates are addictive and when I began taking them I chose to over take the medicine rather than as prescribed. We complain about doctors who take the hipocratic oath to do no harm and continue to go to that particular doctor. There is no law that says if you are unhappy with the doctor you see that we have to continue to see them we are very much able to see another doctor if we choose........................... Just my opinion on the lawsuit issue............
No, I'm sorry, I understood that you were concerned about the lack of counceling that your doc was providing. Justifiably so, you should require more of him than just cashing your check, and to support you in your goal to be drug free.
The bulk of my respoce(s) was in regards to the main theme, or beginnig of the post, that docs hold a huge responsibility for addiction. My intent was only to offer some suggestions on how to confront your MD's that are causing more harm than good and to ensure they don't continue to harm other patients.
I think it is important for people to know what avenues are available if you feeltyou have been misguided, or taken advantage of, especially by a medical doctor, when you are in a vulnerable frame of mind.
The bulk of my respoce(s) was in regards to the main theme, or beginnig of the post, that docs hold a huge responsibility for addiction. My intent was only to offer some suggestions on how to confront your MD's that are causing more harm than good and to ensure they don't continue to harm other patients.
I think it is important for people to know what avenues are available if you feeltyou have been misguided, or taken advantage of, especially by a medical doctor, when you are in a vulnerable frame of mind.
Maybe I was misunderstood. I never mentioned trying to get my doctor in trouble or filing a lawsuit. I was just saying that I surely wish he would give me the counseling that I need and not be so anxious to "up" my dose as opposed to "downing" it by now. I will tell him next month when I see him that I want to start a taper (I have been doing it on my own anyway). As I said after hearing the horror stories on here about how hard it is for some to find a sub doctor (let alone an affordable one) i do count my blessings that I can get mine without problems and I don't want to lose that, but yet I do wish for the true counceling that I am supposed to be getting from him. I plan to outright ask for it my next appointment now. That is part of what I am paying him for and why I chose him in the first place.
5 years ago I went to my doctor because both of my feet hurt/burn/sting constantly. I had been taking ibuprofen and tylenol to help with the pain but after awhile both of those quit working. I actually almost bled to death from taking so much ibuprofen.
The first visit to my doc he gave me 30 10/500 hyrdos and they worked GREAT! This went on for 5-6 months which is when I began to notice that just one pill a day was no longer working. I went back to the doc and he increased my script to 2 pills a day...you know the rest of the story from there.
My point is....the doc NEVER ONCE told me about the problems with this drug. Now I'm not totally STOOPID but before the first visit I had never had an experience with this type of drug and thought it litteraly was like ibuprofen only stronger.
Had he told me that within 30 days not only my body but my mind would be dependent I can honestly say I would have rejected the pills. One night I was driving home..approx 3am..and was very tired and my feet were also hurting. I thought "I'll take a pill and at least the pain will go away." After taking the pill I had more energy than I knew what to do with...I could have driven all the way to Las Vegas I felt so good. That was the worst thing that could have happened to me.
Over the past 4 years I have seen over 10 doctors for several different problems..all pain related and all legit. Not one doctor EVER mentioned the dangers of these pain meds but all of them gladly gave me a script.
The other side to the story is I am very glad that these things exist. 3 years ago I had 3 very serious surgeries (colon rescetion, gall bladder removed and had 2 ulcurs closed ) and without the pain pills I would not have made it after the procedures. I do take full responsibility for my problem now as i rely on them to get me through the day.
Both side need to take responsibility. Can you imagine how many stories doctors hear each and every day from addicts?
The first visit to my doc he gave me 30 10/500 hyrdos and they worked GREAT! This went on for 5-6 months which is when I began to notice that just one pill a day was no longer working. I went back to the doc and he increased my script to 2 pills a day...you know the rest of the story from there.
My point is....the doc NEVER ONCE told me about the problems with this drug. Now I'm not totally STOOPID but before the first visit I had never had an experience with this type of drug and thought it litteraly was like ibuprofen only stronger.
Had he told me that within 30 days not only my body but my mind would be dependent I can honestly say I would have rejected the pills. One night I was driving home..approx 3am..and was very tired and my feet were also hurting. I thought "I'll take a pill and at least the pain will go away." After taking the pill I had more energy than I knew what to do with...I could have driven all the way to Las Vegas I felt so good. That was the worst thing that could have happened to me.
Over the past 4 years I have seen over 10 doctors for several different problems..all pain related and all legit. Not one doctor EVER mentioned the dangers of these pain meds but all of them gladly gave me a script.
The other side to the story is I am very glad that these things exist. 3 years ago I had 3 very serious surgeries (colon rescetion, gall bladder removed and had 2 ulcurs closed ) and without the pain pills I would not have made it after the procedures. I do take full responsibility for my problem now as i rely on them to get me through the day.
Both side need to take responsibility. Can you imagine how many stories doctors hear each and every day from addicts?
Lawyers are border line human so having "guts" is questionable! "I luve lucky", if a doc is giving you a narc i.e. sub based on a "telephone consultation", hence the $100.00 fee, it should be exactly that, a true consultation via the telephone rather than an in house visit. If he said nothing other than send me a check, contact the state board and file a complaint.
What amazes me, or perhaps, what I see to be a pretty basic concept is filing complaints with the AMA, the State, the hospital where the docs have privilages, the clinic where they practice, also for blatant malpractice contact your local news agencies, press and television, they love these kind of stories.
Think about the education and dedication and expense it takes to be a doctor. Look at how much they are paying for malpractice insurance , it is absolutely ridiculous. it is so very simple to file a complaint against a doc, and it doesn't take an attorney to file the paper work. You have people complaining they can't get enough pain meds cuz docs are paraniod about addiction and potential abusers, the other end of the spectrum you have patients saying the docs basically gave them unlimited drugs and caused their addiction.
IMO I am responsible for what I put in my body, and to find out what the benefits or the reprocussions may be while taking the drug, if a doc can't tell me that, I would be pretty worried about his capabilities.
With Sub treatment, if you have a doc holding you hostage, document your doc's errors and get on the phone with the authorities. AND last but not least change your health care provider. These people pay unreasonable mal prac insurance premiums, the last thing they want is a report against them or an incident that will raise those rates, most can barely afford the insurance as it is.......
There are alot of avenues available to you for poor medical treatment, without having to worry about the monies to hire an attorney. For blatant malpractise, an attorney will jump all over that and not charge you a dime, obviously just 33% of your settlement. One of the reasons they have the name of "ambulance chasers". A clinic getting you addicted to Sub or Meth and then cutting you off unless you pay more money, please check with the AG of your state and I'm sure they will give you the name of an atty in your area that will take the case for free. Get our your phone book and call go down the list until you find an atty that will take the case for no up front fees. Not offering any "attorney advise" but holding you hostage is 100% illegal. I also would contact the federal authorities as those docs are acting no more or less than your corner drug dealer.
You cant have a "civil case" unless you sue the manufacturer as that is the only common thread. You cant have a class action suit against multilple states and various docs with no commonality, so only suboxone or whatever drug manufacturer you feel the doc has mis-prescribed would fall under class action status.
What amazes me, or perhaps, what I see to be a pretty basic concept is filing complaints with the AMA, the State, the hospital where the docs have privilages, the clinic where they practice, also for blatant malpractice contact your local news agencies, press and television, they love these kind of stories.
Think about the education and dedication and expense it takes to be a doctor. Look at how much they are paying for malpractice insurance , it is absolutely ridiculous. it is so very simple to file a complaint against a doc, and it doesn't take an attorney to file the paper work. You have people complaining they can't get enough pain meds cuz docs are paraniod about addiction and potential abusers, the other end of the spectrum you have patients saying the docs basically gave them unlimited drugs and caused their addiction.
IMO I am responsible for what I put in my body, and to find out what the benefits or the reprocussions may be while taking the drug, if a doc can't tell me that, I would be pretty worried about his capabilities.
With Sub treatment, if you have a doc holding you hostage, document your doc's errors and get on the phone with the authorities. AND last but not least change your health care provider. These people pay unreasonable mal prac insurance premiums, the last thing they want is a report against them or an incident that will raise those rates, most can barely afford the insurance as it is.......
There are alot of avenues available to you for poor medical treatment, without having to worry about the monies to hire an attorney. For blatant malpractise, an attorney will jump all over that and not charge you a dime, obviously just 33% of your settlement. One of the reasons they have the name of "ambulance chasers". A clinic getting you addicted to Sub or Meth and then cutting you off unless you pay more money, please check with the AG of your state and I'm sure they will give you the name of an atty in your area that will take the case for free. Get our your phone book and call go down the list until you find an atty that will take the case for no up front fees. Not offering any "attorney advise" but holding you hostage is 100% illegal. I also would contact the federal authorities as those docs are acting no more or less than your corner drug dealer.
You cant have a "civil case" unless you sue the manufacturer as that is the only common thread. You cant have a class action suit against multilple states and various docs with no commonality, so only suboxone or whatever drug manufacturer you feel the doc has mis-prescribed would fall under class action status.
I surely am responsible for my addiction. (although doctors helped me along with that) but I don't appreciate someone being in the medical field whom I wanted to depend on to help with my addiction....and profitting on it and taking advantage of my problem so he can get in his Cancun vacation.
The oath says do no harm and most of them are failing that. We are responsible for our addiction not the docs, they just profit fom it. Like the docs who have you on sub forever.
This is what i am getting at. The doctors that treat you once you are addicted.
There is no argument that we are all responsible for our addictions. But the doctors in most cases are not helping , they are just making it worse. I am just thinking that maybe a really huge court case that gets a lot of coverage could maybe turn things around.
Something has to be done. There are way too many people going through this. And not getting the help they need. This being thrown into cold turkey is so traumatic.
I just think it would be cool if there was a lawyer with "guts" enough to make a stand.
There is no argument that we are all responsible for our addictions. But the doctors in most cases are not helping , they are just making it worse. I am just thinking that maybe a really huge court case that gets a lot of coverage could maybe turn things around.
Something has to be done. There are way too many people going through this. And not getting the help they need. This being thrown into cold turkey is so traumatic.
I just think it would be cool if there was a lawyer with "guts" enough to make a stand.
My own personal experience is that I became an addict on my own....legitimate pain reasons. Yes I doctor shopped to get my pills, I bought them on the street for $10.00 per pill. (Chase Visa is making my life hell because I can't make payments) It was not the doctors fault. They were trying to help me with my pain. Sometimes I genuinly had pain sometimes I didn't. When someone goes into an emergency clinic crying out in pain, they give out the meds to help. It has to be a very hard judgement call for alot of doctors as to whether our pain is legit or not. My beef is my addiction phyc.If you ask him to bump you up to 3 Subs a day (my cousin did) he says no problem and does it without any questions. IMO he is just stringing us along for the long term income. In the months that I have been going to him he never has mentioned the "taper" Always asks me if I need more. And my cousin admitted to me that she doesn't even need that much, just wants extras...in case. I have been going to him since February. I have to pay $100.00 per visit on a monthly basis and $30.00 for the Subs. Last week I called him and told him I could not make my appt. due to dental surgery and can I reschedule? He said no problem, just send me a check for $100.00 and I will call in your refill for the month and I will see you next month. Didn't even want to see me...........just wanted his $. I have such mixed emotions about this. On one hand I am thankful for him. I have heard on here how difficult it is for some to get a doctor and the outrageous prices. But by the same token, I feel cheated because he does not council me at all (he is an addiction phychiatrist) and I feel I need that, like you guys have advised, to help me to ultimately be and stay clean. But I stay with him because it is so easy to get my subs and because of the horror stories I have heard about doctors that cut people off right in the middle. Am I doing the right thing here? Should I look for another doctor that will actually talk to me and councel me?
Does no one read the info that comes with all scripts? I am sorry, but it seems no one accepts responsibility for their life, nor their decisions, any more. I wish I could blame someone else for every mistake I make, it woud certainly make me feel much better. I just dont think that is an option.
yes it is a catch 22 i agree, but let me ask all of u a question that could probably be on its own post but - i think its fitting here -do any of u know anyone who has been on pain killers for a prolonged period of time who is NOT addicted and could just give it up in a snap??? I think most of use here got here because we all have pain problems that are going to last us forever
I agree only on the factor that these drugs after prolonged use change brain chemistry that can take a year to recover from ---if ever---things should be explained a little better, but it is such a catch 22 because when you are in pain and they turn their back on you, you might be saying the same thing......that its unfair for them not to treat you and that is cruel.......I dunno......catch 22. Doctors know all of this.....please. I feel for them, and I feel for the patients too. There are good doctors and bad doctors, like any and all professions........no real place to lay the blame. Although, it would be nice. I understand what you are saying, though.
nauty............
nauty............
That is just like Ambien and Lunesta. Because the commercials say non-narcotic, many physicians prescribe it like crazy. I will be the first to stand up and say THEY ARE BOTH ADDICTING TO ME! These sweet little lullabye pills nearly ruined my life. If I would have kept taking them I have NO doubt that I would be dead or atleast in jail. Those things may not affect others but they definately kicked my butt. I didn't take too many of them, I just took them when I came home from work to escape the stress and go to sleep.
good post sunny,
I like the part where you said "we are all responsible for our own addiction but most of us didn't get here on our own".
That is... a true statement, I think.
One thing I have learned over and over in life. We need to be armed with knowledge when we do anything, from our health related isses, to most anything else.
If we have information at hand, and we do, with the internet... we can make much better choices about what or what not to do.
That is the trick, to know the consequences of our actions, and then make informed decisions.
I like the part where you said "we are all responsible for our own addiction but most of us didn't get here on our own".
That is... a true statement, I think.
One thing I have learned over and over in life. We need to be armed with knowledge when we do anything, from our health related isses, to most anything else.
If we have information at hand, and we do, with the internet... we can make much better choices about what or what not to do.
That is the trick, to know the consequences of our actions, and then make informed decisions.
avisg, I was just putting it out there about Trams, as it is widely prescribed without the Dr telling you the problems. (I knew you knew better) The same goes for me.
~~~{I did it to myself and no one else.}~~~
~~~{I did it to myself and no one else.}~~~
I think we can go round and round about this subject forever lol. I agree with alot of what everyone said and i believe that there are good and bad drs out there thats for sure. I think its a crime for them to just cut people off as the answer to the problem I have been there and its awful. I have also been blessed with the best drs i couldve ever asked for too that have helped me so much to battle this. I think when this medications are prescribed for the FIRST time the drs should explain all the risks to the patient and make them feel comfortable and safe if they develop a problem to be HONEST!!! Im pretty sure if I knew I had options and wasnt afraid to tell my drs the truth I wouldve been done with these pills along time ago. i think some drs want to keep their patients hooked on pain pills so they keep them coming back!!! the same also applies to methadone clinics im sure. We are all responsible for our own addiction thats for sure but most of us didnt get here on our own.
THis subject ressurects many different opinions.
If I were to be "political", then the liberal response is, "it's someone elses fault".
The conservative side would say, "I have to take responsibility".
Clearly doctors are not well versed on how to attack addiction issues. There are several reasons which I mentioned in a previous but less "potent" post.
The main problem with addiction is that doctors know that if someone really wants their DOC, they will doctor shop, until they are successful.
My Dr. who now will only prescribe 40 Hydros a month, checks with the DEA list to somehow verify, I am not getting them somewhere else. He has told me I have to use only ONE pharmacy to get the drug. And he has vowed to cut me off if I don't follow his advice.. He told me flat out, "I think you have a problem", and "you are not taking the medicine right". He was right AND wrong. More right than wrong.
We really must take responsibility. No one puts the pills in our mouths, and we know the consequences, therefore, in this case I feel more like a Conservative, and take responsibility. Please , no one get mad at me!!!
I have seen many many posts now, even as a new member.
The reasons for quitting are almost always the same... "I want to quit this drug from hell". I know I can't be on it forever. Guilt sets in when we give in to taking a pill to "feel"better. Thus, we try to quit, and fail, and some succeed (congrats).
We are lucky to have found a forum, to learn and then gain knowledge. Then we all have to make "DECISIONS"......
Best wishes to you all..
If I were to be "political", then the liberal response is, "it's someone elses fault".
The conservative side would say, "I have to take responsibility".
Clearly doctors are not well versed on how to attack addiction issues. There are several reasons which I mentioned in a previous but less "potent" post.
The main problem with addiction is that doctors know that if someone really wants their DOC, they will doctor shop, until they are successful.
My Dr. who now will only prescribe 40 Hydros a month, checks with the DEA list to somehow verify, I am not getting them somewhere else. He has told me I have to use only ONE pharmacy to get the drug. And he has vowed to cut me off if I don't follow his advice.. He told me flat out, "I think you have a problem", and "you are not taking the medicine right". He was right AND wrong. More right than wrong.
We really must take responsibility. No one puts the pills in our mouths, and we know the consequences, therefore, in this case I feel more like a Conservative, and take responsibility. Please , no one get mad at me!!!
I have seen many many posts now, even as a new member.
The reasons for quitting are almost always the same... "I want to quit this drug from hell". I know I can't be on it forever. Guilt sets in when we give in to taking a pill to "feel"better. Thus, we try to quit, and fail, and some succeed (congrats).
We are lucky to have found a forum, to learn and then gain knowledge. Then we all have to make "DECISIONS"......
Best wishes to you all..
Going , I was told ultram was addicting by my first doctor. There were doctors after that did not think it was. That made it very easy for me to obtain but the entire time I new it was addicting the insert info from the pharmacy said it was. That sure did not stop me from taking it.
This medication may cause dependence, especially if it has been used regularly for an extended time or if it has been used in high doses. In such cases, withdrawal reactions (e.g., anxiety, sweating, sleeplessness, shaking, diarrhea, rapid breathing) may occur if you suddenly stop this drug. To prevent withdrawal reactions when stopping extended, regular treatment with this drug, gradually reduce the dosage as directed.
The makers of ultram have protected there butt by making sure the inserts tell you of the risks that's why you have not seen alot of class action law suits against them.
I dont hold anyone other then myself responsible for my addiction .I would have continued to taken it regardless . Even if the doctor had it stamped in red on his forehead.
This medication may cause dependence, especially if it has been used regularly for an extended time or if it has been used in high doses. In such cases, withdrawal reactions (e.g., anxiety, sweating, sleeplessness, shaking, diarrhea, rapid breathing) may occur if you suddenly stop this drug. To prevent withdrawal reactions when stopping extended, regular treatment with this drug, gradually reduce the dosage as directed.
The makers of ultram have protected there butt by making sure the inserts tell you of the risks that's why you have not seen alot of class action law suits against them.
I dont hold anyone other then myself responsible for my addiction .I would have continued to taken it regardless . Even if the doctor had it stamped in red on his forehead.
I am surprised that the topic of Tramadol didn't come up. There are still many Drs that believe Tramadol is NOT addicting. They prescribe it like candy. Should there be any responsibility placed on someone for the lack of proper information?
i heard of addiction, but i didn't know anything about withdrawals. doctor never told me or warned me what could happen. i thought all would be ok. i took exactly what the doctor told me too and not an xtra pill. when i told him i wanted to stop, he told me exactly how to do it-1pill a week. i did exactly what he said and went thru hell. happened on weekend. had to go to hospital-got CLONIDINE-helped everything, but still hot and sweating. only been just over week took last pill. YES CRIMINAL that doctor never warned me. i feel he should have given me prescription of CLONDINE to keep just in case he couldn't be reached. certainly would have saved the terror of what happened and the horrible symptons and going to the emergency hospital. i learned from the internet that i was going thru withdrawal. at my next appointment i will certainly suggest this to him, but probably won't listen---could lose alot of patients that way. i would never touch that methadone ever. if i had known, never would have taken.
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