Beginning sub

[Menlo650]

Good morning everyone, I finally took the step in getting off Norco. I was taking 15 a day for 20 years. I wanted my life back. I am now on Suboxin. I took a whole 8 mg the first day and felt great. However, the second day it did not make me feel right at all! This morning I took only a quarter of the tab and I am doing ok. However, I have a Benzo addiction as well. Is it ok to take them both? In addition, my intention is only get through the normal withdrawl period I would of undergone from the Norco 10mg. So how long do I need to be on Suboxin? Please advise, thank you

[Menlo650]

Thank you for your reply. Yes I am on Valium 30 mgs a day, restoril 30 mgs at night, Trazadone 100mg / HS, Celexa and Cymbalta. I decided that after 25 years on Hydrocordone and taking such an excessive amount, that I want my life back. I am very tired of keeping the bottle full and having to locate this drug from various resources. I want to go out with friends, go to the beach without deciding how many pills I will need and when will I need to come home. It's just horrible living a life like this. However, I work in the Medical field and I cannot allow anyone that knows me ever find out about this problem. I would lose their respect and never be treated the same again. I am sure you can understand this. More importantly, my children are extremely happy I went this route and I am off the vicodin. The high which I never had with vicodin, is not appealing to me at all. I truly thought Suboxin was just a med that stopped withdrawls. I am experiencing a high from this med. This morning, I started to get a migraine from taking just a quarter of this pill. Any suggestions? I appreciate any information you can give me..

[vicki595]

Hi there-  Is there a doctor monitoring the Sub?  Or did you just put yourself on it thinking it was a cure for wd's?

Once you stop taking the sub,you will revert back to wd's. That doesn't make any sense but I'm sure you didn't know that...

It's not safe at all to take a benzo witth Sub, that can be a very slippery slope.
But it sounds like you've already been doing that if you're addicted to it.

It wouldn't be prudent for me to tell you to stop the Sub at this point because it's become a medical situation and you need a doctor to monitor you...just don't mix the two drugs until you speak with a doctor.

Keep in touch!

[ImDONENoMore]

Sub is an extremely strong opiate.. which is why you are feeling high from it.

Did you talk to the Dr. about the xanax?  What did he/she say?

[Menlo650]

Thank you Vicki. I wish we could talk off line about this..I really need some direction.

[vicki595]

Okay, of course. Send me a private message. Do you know how to do that?

[Menlo650]

Should I just stop everything and just deal with the withdrawls? I'm at a loss at this point and my job and life are to important. The wd are horrible whenever I start to take less norcos. It effects my digestive tract and I have zero energy to do anything. I want to feel happy again and be on top of my game like I did back in 1995. I want to socialize again and try to meet people or even have a relationship again. These meds stopped that. I underwent 17 surgeries that started this vicious cycle, however, I continued on like any other patient. It's time for me now! I know their are others that have similar experiences. Please share everyone.

[ImDONENoMore]

I definitely don't think you should stop all of your meds cold turkey.  Can you talk to the Dr. and have them put you on a safe tapering plan?

But given all the meds you're taking, cold turkey could be very dangerous.

[Menlo650]

No I do not Vicki. Just joined this forum this morning.

[Menlo650]

How do I refresh my screen and see if anyone is replying? Or do I just stay on this page and wait for responses?

[ImDONENoMore]

We're here and we're replying!  Just click on the question you posted and scroll down.. you'll see the responses :)

[vicki595]

Okay. Click on my screen name which will take you to my profile page. Look toward the upper right where it says " send a message."  Click on that and there you go!

[abritt121222]

The reason u are not feeling right is most likely be ause your atone range to opiates is not high enough to take much suboxone. Suboxone is far far stronger than hydrocodone and I personally would be against putting someone that's on hydrocodone on suboxone at all because is so much stronger and the ceiling effect does not work because the tolerance to opiates is not high enough. Not to be mean or an *** or anything but switching from hydrocodone to suboxone is just switching to a more powerful opiate which is going the wrong way. Suboxone is 40x stronger than morph one just so u can kinda get an idea of how strong it really is while I believe hydrocodone is 2/3 the stronger than morphine so where around that at least. Suboxone can be a great med but can also be vry bad and I see it more and more and more that unfortunately a lot of doctors are doing it for the money and do not know enough about the med before they prescribe it like candy. Well feel free to msg me if yu have any questions and I will help ya any way I can. I'm sure this is prob not at all what you want to hear but I'm not gonna sit here no lie to anyone.

Good Luck and Godspeed
ABritt

[abritt121222]

Your atone haha auto spell angers me is supposed to say your tolerance

[vicki595]

I sent you a private message. Look over to the right, near the top of this page where it says"in box" and there should be a 1' click on that...

[HappyDays2Come]

Hi Menlo and welcome!! If I were you I would just quit the pain pills and not touch the sub. Like everyone has said it's a much stronger drug to come off of with worse W/Ds. If you stop now the withdrawals will be bad for about 3 days and after that it gets much easier. You're going to have to go through the W/Ds sooner or later so you might as well go through them now and let them be easier for you :-). Good luck and I hope to see you posting on here more!

[vicki595]

LOL.   You need to fix your settings. I can't send you a message now! Go slowly, I know the forum is hard to navigate in the beginning.

Don't stop all those meds except for the Hydrocodone and I'd stay away from the Sub...

[mmissy42]

Hi... I can speak from experience.  I was taking 20+ ES Vicodin for 15 years.  I tried to quit several times but could not do it.  There was no way I could taper, I did not have the willpower.  I went on Suboxone last April.  I started out at 16 mg and I am currently down to 1 mg per day.  I have had no problem tapering down to that amount.  No side effects whatsoever!!  I felt the "high" from Suboxone the first couple of times I took it but that eventually went away.  Just give your body time to adjust to it.  I truly believe that if used correctly, Suboxone can be an extremely helpful tool in getting free of opiate abuse.  Good luck in your journey...

[buddycrunch]

please update all of us on how and what you are doing here on this thread.

We can not post what we ourselves did to get off drugs, or give advice on this thread, because spectators may misinterpret it as what they should do.  This site is full of wonderful people, you gotta learn the website and how to communicate.   Good luck, This is my only social group for this, I learn more everyday.

Keep posting!

[vicki595]

Thats not true!  We can say what we did to get clean...and we can give advice.

Menlo- Did you fix your settings? I'll go check right now!

[ann326]

hi . I'm on subs also . Yesterday was your first day that you took it ? you also took your benzo with it  ? here's the thing you really aren't suposed to mixs the 2 but if you have a benzo addiction that is something you should not stop by yourself that is very dangerous and very well could be life threating! it's not all peaces and cream on the subs if your getting them from a doc. take them as perscribed ! You may want to call him also to talk about the benzos if you got them from some other way you may want to consider cutting back I take kolonipin 0.5 3 times a day my doc was ok with that I can't recall what u were taking or how much but If it was me I'd try cutting the benzos slowly and talking to a dr. if you haven't already there are other ways to come off both safly at the same time in an out patient setting and being monitored closely I'd hate for someone who is trying to get better wined up in a very bad spot good luck if ya need anything I'm here.

[D713]

I mean have a plan to im on it barely just started not to long ago. but dont do it for month's...do it just to help a littl ebit and get all that pain killer out of your system and just stop. that's it..it's all on you after that..but I know u are strong and WE ALL ARE just gotta fight this EVIL thing.

[Menlo650]

Hi Vicki, I sent you a message..

[Menlo650]

Hi Abritt, I sent you a message..