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Coming off trams
stopping trams
I am kicking trams. I was on a 25-30 day habit for 2 months. This is my 3rd time coming off trams.
I always go cold turkey. I am going on my 3rd day now and it's not that bad at all.
I take another drug which I will not name to come off which helps immensely. My concern is each time I get clean it becomes easier and easier for me. Why would this be? I know they say you should not go cold turkey with trams because of a possible seizure but a doctor fiend of mine told me the real risk is OD when you taking this med.
But why doe it get easier each time to come off? The drug I use to come off is not a narcotic but works wonders.
My first getting clean hell and back.
Thank you
Willy
I am kicking trams. I was on a 25-30 day habit for 2 months. This is my 3rd time coming off trams.
I always go cold turkey. I am going on my 3rd day now and it's not that bad at all.
I take another drug which I will not name to come off which helps immensely. My concern is each time I get clean it becomes easier and easier for me. Why would this be? I know they say you should not go cold turkey with trams because of a possible seizure but a doctor fiend of mine told me the real risk is OD when you taking this med.
But why doe it get easier each time to come off? The drug I use to come off is not a narcotic but works wonders.
My first getting clean hell and back.
Thank you
Willy
HI Willy......Im not normally at a loss for words but I am now....most of us are addicts here
and have taken pill use to the edge of what is lethal....you have been a very lucky man
it absolutely amasses me you think what your doing is safe...your obviously intelligent
so I can only assume your in denile about this being a health risk...that and the long term
spikes in your serotonin levels will lead to seizures it not a mater of if but when...addiction is a fickle animal...I got away with taking lethal doses for yrs to but eventually it came to bit me in the a s s more then once...I can not over emphasize how dangerous what you doing is im not going to argue if you are or are not an addict that is earelavent and a mute point you obviously dont think you are...I just hope someone in in the house with you so when you seze they will be there to help you....I truly hope you dont give your self a stroke and also hope you realize you cant have normal serotonin levels in your brain doing this....you are setting yourself up for serotonin syndrome much in the same way people who do m.d.m.a do...none of the scenarios are pleasant...if you dont get anything else from this forum get the fact what your doing is extremely dangerous and you need to stop b/4 it bits you in the a s s....I wish you all the best I hope you survive finishing you book but then again all the best authors became famous after they where dead...Gnarly
and have taken pill use to the edge of what is lethal....you have been a very lucky man
it absolutely amasses me you think what your doing is safe...your obviously intelligent
so I can only assume your in denile about this being a health risk...that and the long term
spikes in your serotonin levels will lead to seizures it not a mater of if but when...addiction is a fickle animal...I got away with taking lethal doses for yrs to but eventually it came to bit me in the a s s more then once...I can not over emphasize how dangerous what you doing is im not going to argue if you are or are not an addict that is earelavent and a mute point you obviously dont think you are...I just hope someone in in the house with you so when you seze they will be there to help you....I truly hope you dont give your self a stroke and also hope you realize you cant have normal serotonin levels in your brain doing this....you are setting yourself up for serotonin syndrome much in the same way people who do m.d.m.a do...none of the scenarios are pleasant...if you dont get anything else from this forum get the fact what your doing is extremely dangerous and you need to stop b/4 it bits you in the a s s....I wish you all the best I hope you survive finishing you book but then again all the best authors became famous after they where dead...Gnarly
That's what I was going to say. But I won't pass judgment on anyone. We all have our own way of doing things. Something I learned only too well after I stopped using drugs.
Ok you hooked me in for one last post. Perhaps the Moon is really made of lavender goat cheese now you are asking how do the goats get up to the moon!
You can question all you wish to try to make something that is outside your box to fix inside where you are comfortable. The chances are after the next refill and book finished I will not touch a tram until I write again. I do not worry about something that does not worry me. I know this must be difficult to understand among most addicts that go nuts when they cannot get their fix but that is not me. Trams in my personal opinion are not very addicting at all. The problem with them has to do with what I have already posted. People that use trams on higher dosages simply do Not know how to go cold turkey. What I suggested to whoever wants to know is there are ways of stopping trams that make it a cake walk. It's not the very small amount of opiates in Trams that make you feel like hell it.s the darn anti-depressant quality of this med. Take care of that and your fine in just a few days. I have never been addicted to drugs I just use them as tools.
If anyone here has seen the Peter Jennings report on Ecstasy you would know exactly what I am suggesting. But I will not go there. Only to say it's not the drugs it's all in your mind get the right chemicals in your brain and your fine. Sadly the problem goes much deeper with people that are not normally happy with anything the end result is trying anything at anytime to shift their primary state of being using anything they can this is a real addict. Like anything else drugs can be abused. I do not look at what I do as abusing drugs in the normal way of abusing I use them to bring about a specific state to help me write when I am done I am done. So no if my doctor at the VA said Willy no more I would no shiver up in a corner worried sick I cannot get no more. What I would do would be pro-active and find something else that could do the same thing for me when I wish to write. When I write I stay in just one mode of being until finished when done I simply switch to another place of being and this does Not mean taking more drugs.
Ok done for good
Peace out
It's a world full of love out there go enjoy it and do not make problems when there are none. All is well only your mind tells you differently.
Willy
You can question all you wish to try to make something that is outside your box to fix inside where you are comfortable. The chances are after the next refill and book finished I will not touch a tram until I write again. I do not worry about something that does not worry me. I know this must be difficult to understand among most addicts that go nuts when they cannot get their fix but that is not me. Trams in my personal opinion are not very addicting at all. The problem with them has to do with what I have already posted. People that use trams on higher dosages simply do Not know how to go cold turkey. What I suggested to whoever wants to know is there are ways of stopping trams that make it a cake walk. It's not the very small amount of opiates in Trams that make you feel like hell it.s the darn anti-depressant quality of this med. Take care of that and your fine in just a few days. I have never been addicted to drugs I just use them as tools.
If anyone here has seen the Peter Jennings report on Ecstasy you would know exactly what I am suggesting. But I will not go there. Only to say it's not the drugs it's all in your mind get the right chemicals in your brain and your fine. Sadly the problem goes much deeper with people that are not normally happy with anything the end result is trying anything at anytime to shift their primary state of being using anything they can this is a real addict. Like anything else drugs can be abused. I do not look at what I do as abusing drugs in the normal way of abusing I use them to bring about a specific state to help me write when I am done I am done. So no if my doctor at the VA said Willy no more I would no shiver up in a corner worried sick I cannot get no more. What I would do would be pro-active and find something else that could do the same thing for me when I wish to write. When I write I stay in just one mode of being until finished when done I simply switch to another place of being and this does Not mean taking more drugs.
Ok done for good
Peace out
It's a world full of love out there go enjoy it and do not make problems when there are none. All is well only your mind tells you differently.
Willy
Hi willy,
Perhaps you don't worry too much because you know you will have a script in your hand and more trams soon? How would you feel if, say, your doctor cut you off and you found that there were to be no more trams for you, ever?
Not having a go or anything, just genuinely curious I guess.........
Perhaps you don't worry too much because you know you will have a script in your hand and more trams soon? How would you feel if, say, your doctor cut you off and you found that there were to be no more trams for you, ever?
Not having a go or anything, just genuinely curious I guess.........
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