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Coming off trams
stopping trams
I am kicking trams. I was on a 25-30 day habit for 2 months. This is my 3rd time coming off trams.
I always go cold turkey. I am going on my 3rd day now and it's not that bad at all.
I take another drug which I will not name to come off which helps immensely. My concern is each time I get clean it becomes easier and easier for me. Why would this be? I know they say you should not go cold turkey with trams because of a possible seizure but a doctor fiend of mine told me the real risk is OD when you taking this med.
But why doe it get easier each time to come off? The drug I use to come off is not a narcotic but works wonders.
My first getting clean hell and back.
Thank you
Willy
I am kicking trams. I was on a 25-30 day habit for 2 months. This is my 3rd time coming off trams.
I always go cold turkey. I am going on my 3rd day now and it's not that bad at all.
I take another drug which I will not name to come off which helps immensely. My concern is each time I get clean it becomes easier and easier for me. Why would this be? I know they say you should not go cold turkey with trams because of a possible seizure but a doctor fiend of mine told me the real risk is OD when you taking this med.
But why doe it get easier each time to come off? The drug I use to come off is not a narcotic but works wonders.
My first getting clean hell and back.
Thank you
Willy
Willy - Part of the addiction journey is realising that you are not an 'atypical addict' - that addiction is addiction and at the end of the day we are all the same.
I too, like you, went through a stage where I thought I was 'different' or 'atypical' than your typical addict - that I could use and control it differently from others, that I was different from other addicts I met at NA/AA.
I came to realise that this is not true - addiction is addiction and addicts are addicts.
I'll tell you right now - WE ALL go through the stage you are going through - of thinking were 'atypical or different' - but you will realise with time that youre an addict, and that its the addict in you telling you this so that you will keep using (they don't call it a cunning disease for nothing). But you will realise and see this for yourself sooner or later.
If you really were 'atypical' you would simply be able to stop using - rather than this complicated cycle of using tramadol, then using something else when you run out, then back to the tramadol etc etc. You would simply be able to stop and use nothing and be drug free. If you were able to do this no sweat then yeah, you may be an 'atypical addict'
:-)
I too, like you, went through a stage where I thought I was 'different' or 'atypical' than your typical addict - that I could use and control it differently from others, that I was different from other addicts I met at NA/AA.
I came to realise that this is not true - addiction is addiction and addicts are addicts.
I'll tell you right now - WE ALL go through the stage you are going through - of thinking were 'atypical or different' - but you will realise with time that youre an addict, and that its the addict in you telling you this so that you will keep using (they don't call it a cunning disease for nothing). But you will realise and see this for yourself sooner or later.
If you really were 'atypical' you would simply be able to stop using - rather than this complicated cycle of using tramadol, then using something else when you run out, then back to the tramadol etc etc. You would simply be able to stop and use nothing and be drug free. If you were able to do this no sweat then yeah, you may be an 'atypical addict'
:-)
Hi David I can really feel for you.I do hope you can kick this send me a pm if you wish.
It's really the doctors that cause this kind of addition and people like you that are in legitimate pain are at their mercy. You see doctors have been trained to help their patients remove pain but they are not professionally trained for is additions. There are a host of other steroid and non steroid pain relievers that do work almost as well as narcotics.I would name them but it's against the board rules here. I advice you to do more research than just this board. There are quite a few drugs that will help your pain without having to take narcotics but you need to use them properly with a plan. The reason why the doctors push out the strong pain killers is because its a one pill fix and the doctors wish to spend the least amount of time with you. Now a lot of times to be somewhat fair the doctors will give you a few other drugs to take such as anti-steroid drugs that do work if taken. However most of the times the patient takes a oxy or perc and like magic it works and they do not take the others. Then it's a loosing battle you need to take more and more for the same effect. It never has to be like this if these doctors were trained as the ones in pain clinics .
Hang in there, to be honest fear is your worst enemy now. You can teach yourself not to be fearful and you need to. This board and others are only one of the many ways to support yourself but if you stay just on this forum day after day hearing the same old stories this can re-enforce your fears. It's a good thing to look into other ways of support. My very best for you.
Perch101
I understand what you are conveying however I am atypical. Once I stop as I have now I do not even think about the next bottle of pills that will come in a month seriously it's blacked out of my mind. When the next bottle comes I will use them as before the book should be done by the time they run out and that's it no more trams until I get writing again.I have been doing this for 2 years and I know my body very well and I know exactly what to do when I stop. The only question I still have is why is it getting so easy now for me to stop. I am a active person even on trams. I look at this in a very different style than most. I simply enjoy my life straight as well as on trams.
I suggest to everyone that are truly suffering from wds to look into where this suffering is coming from and to find things to do that make you feel happy about yourself and to love yourself.
Well I feel I have posted more than I intended to. I will end by saying there is nothing special about me except the way I perceive what drugs do and have no fear with them and I am smart enough not to go against my own rules. When I finish a book that high can never compare to any drugs, at least for me.
Nancy Regan infamous words just say no is Not effective if you are a user. You all have the strength to quit and it all starts with the mind get that straight take what is needed to counter what you are taking now, do not fear and you will make it.
This is my last post here
Merry Holidays to you all
Willy
It's really the doctors that cause this kind of addition and people like you that are in legitimate pain are at their mercy. You see doctors have been trained to help their patients remove pain but they are not professionally trained for is additions. There are a host of other steroid and non steroid pain relievers that do work almost as well as narcotics.I would name them but it's against the board rules here. I advice you to do more research than just this board. There are quite a few drugs that will help your pain without having to take narcotics but you need to use them properly with a plan. The reason why the doctors push out the strong pain killers is because its a one pill fix and the doctors wish to spend the least amount of time with you. Now a lot of times to be somewhat fair the doctors will give you a few other drugs to take such as anti-steroid drugs that do work if taken. However most of the times the patient takes a oxy or perc and like magic it works and they do not take the others. Then it's a loosing battle you need to take more and more for the same effect. It never has to be like this if these doctors were trained as the ones in pain clinics .
Hang in there, to be honest fear is your worst enemy now. You can teach yourself not to be fearful and you need to. This board and others are only one of the many ways to support yourself but if you stay just on this forum day after day hearing the same old stories this can re-enforce your fears. It's a good thing to look into other ways of support. My very best for you.
Perch101
I understand what you are conveying however I am atypical. Once I stop as I have now I do not even think about the next bottle of pills that will come in a month seriously it's blacked out of my mind. When the next bottle comes I will use them as before the book should be done by the time they run out and that's it no more trams until I get writing again.I have been doing this for 2 years and I know my body very well and I know exactly what to do when I stop. The only question I still have is why is it getting so easy now for me to stop. I am a active person even on trams. I look at this in a very different style than most. I simply enjoy my life straight as well as on trams.
I suggest to everyone that are truly suffering from wds to look into where this suffering is coming from and to find things to do that make you feel happy about yourself and to love yourself.
Well I feel I have posted more than I intended to. I will end by saying there is nothing special about me except the way I perceive what drugs do and have no fear with them and I am smart enough not to go against my own rules. When I finish a book that high can never compare to any drugs, at least for me.
Nancy Regan infamous words just say no is Not effective if you are a user. You all have the strength to quit and it all starts with the mind get that straight take what is needed to counter what you are taking now, do not fear and you will make it.
This is my last post here
Merry Holidays to you all
Willy
Perch wrote
"then using something else when you run out"
Sorry I missed this. You are not listening to what I said I use nothing after the I stop the trams except for the Tyrozone during the detox phase..
Tyrozone is used when you stop as it helps immensely and wds when used properly.
I will take it for a few more days and that's it. I am not replacing one for another.
Tyrozone is a oldie but goodie do some research on it but few doctors know how to use it for wds. Normally only doctors that are addition specialist know the correct dosage and it works like a charm. I am not recommending any one to use this. If you believe me do the research. If not that's also fine. I needed to post this lest you get the wrong idea. Please do not throw knowledge given to you just because you do not believe me be diligent and do the research you will surely find it.
Willy
"then using something else when you run out"
Sorry I missed this. You are not listening to what I said I use nothing after the I stop the trams except for the Tyrozone during the detox phase..
Tyrozone is used when you stop as it helps immensely and wds when used properly.
I will take it for a few more days and that's it. I am not replacing one for another.
Tyrozone is a oldie but goodie do some research on it but few doctors know how to use it for wds. Normally only doctors that are addition specialist know the correct dosage and it works like a charm. I am not recommending any one to use this. If you believe me do the research. If not that's also fine. I needed to post this lest you get the wrong idea. Please do not throw knowledge given to you just because you do not believe me be diligent and do the research you will surely find it.
Willy
Hi willy,
Perhaps you don't worry too much because you know you will have a script in your hand and more trams soon? How would you feel if, say, your doctor cut you off and you found that there were to be no more trams for you, ever?
Not having a go or anything, just genuinely curious I guess.........
Perhaps you don't worry too much because you know you will have a script in your hand and more trams soon? How would you feel if, say, your doctor cut you off and you found that there were to be no more trams for you, ever?
Not having a go or anything, just genuinely curious I guess.........
Ok you hooked me in for one last post. Perhaps the Moon is really made of lavender goat cheese now you are asking how do the goats get up to the moon!
You can question all you wish to try to make something that is outside your box to fix inside where you are comfortable. The chances are after the next refill and book finished I will not touch a tram until I write again. I do not worry about something that does not worry me. I know this must be difficult to understand among most addicts that go nuts when they cannot get their fix but that is not me. Trams in my personal opinion are not very addicting at all. The problem with them has to do with what I have already posted. People that use trams on higher dosages simply do Not know how to go cold turkey. What I suggested to whoever wants to know is there are ways of stopping trams that make it a cake walk. It's not the very small amount of opiates in Trams that make you feel like hell it.s the darn anti-depressant quality of this med. Take care of that and your fine in just a few days. I have never been addicted to drugs I just use them as tools.
If anyone here has seen the Peter Jennings report on Ecstasy you would know exactly what I am suggesting. But I will not go there. Only to say it's not the drugs it's all in your mind get the right chemicals in your brain and your fine. Sadly the problem goes much deeper with people that are not normally happy with anything the end result is trying anything at anytime to shift their primary state of being using anything they can this is a real addict. Like anything else drugs can be abused. I do not look at what I do as abusing drugs in the normal way of abusing I use them to bring about a specific state to help me write when I am done I am done. So no if my doctor at the VA said Willy no more I would no shiver up in a corner worried sick I cannot get no more. What I would do would be pro-active and find something else that could do the same thing for me when I wish to write. When I write I stay in just one mode of being until finished when done I simply switch to another place of being and this does Not mean taking more drugs.
Ok done for good
Peace out
It's a world full of love out there go enjoy it and do not make problems when there are none. All is well only your mind tells you differently.
Willy
You can question all you wish to try to make something that is outside your box to fix inside where you are comfortable. The chances are after the next refill and book finished I will not touch a tram until I write again. I do not worry about something that does not worry me. I know this must be difficult to understand among most addicts that go nuts when they cannot get their fix but that is not me. Trams in my personal opinion are not very addicting at all. The problem with them has to do with what I have already posted. People that use trams on higher dosages simply do Not know how to go cold turkey. What I suggested to whoever wants to know is there are ways of stopping trams that make it a cake walk. It's not the very small amount of opiates in Trams that make you feel like hell it.s the darn anti-depressant quality of this med. Take care of that and your fine in just a few days. I have never been addicted to drugs I just use them as tools.
If anyone here has seen the Peter Jennings report on Ecstasy you would know exactly what I am suggesting. But I will not go there. Only to say it's not the drugs it's all in your mind get the right chemicals in your brain and your fine. Sadly the problem goes much deeper with people that are not normally happy with anything the end result is trying anything at anytime to shift their primary state of being using anything they can this is a real addict. Like anything else drugs can be abused. I do not look at what I do as abusing drugs in the normal way of abusing I use them to bring about a specific state to help me write when I am done I am done. So no if my doctor at the VA said Willy no more I would no shiver up in a corner worried sick I cannot get no more. What I would do would be pro-active and find something else that could do the same thing for me when I wish to write. When I write I stay in just one mode of being until finished when done I simply switch to another place of being and this does Not mean taking more drugs.
Ok done for good
Peace out
It's a world full of love out there go enjoy it and do not make problems when there are none. All is well only your mind tells you differently.
Willy
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