I worry mostly about the Tylenol (Acetaminophen/APAP) in Vicodin. I have used Vicodin ES for 2 conditions #1 Kidney Stones and #2 As of late arthritis (I am allergic to NSAIDS ---Non Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Agents. ) It is the nasty effects of deranged Tylenol Metabolism and attendant liver damage that worry me most.
When in severe pain one will do almost anything to make it go away. In the case of kidney stones I was lucky as they were relatively acute (2-3 days at most) so Vicodin ES was not a problem.
Arthritis is worse, mine came on suddenly after a fall. Suddenly all the old things I could not do any longer. Like 40 block walks to the Post office 20-up, 20-down. The degrading aspect of the whole thing was really depressing. Things like making a decision to get up out of a chair. To walk the first 10 feet without hobbling not possible, Vicodin ES made this much easier to do. However I skirt the edge of max safe usage. I debate on asking for Lortab which has only 500mg of Tylenol/Acetaminophen in it.
My one withdrawl experience, before I started taking "drug holidays" was like being sent to Planet Strange for a week.
It was rather unpleasant but not unbearable and NOTHING LIKE A KIDNEY STONE ATTACK.
Before using Vicodin ES I once tried to control severe pain with Plain Old Extra Strength Tylenol. I did the stupid thing o put the bottle by the bed. I took A LARGE AMOUNT (20 PERHAPS)before realizing it was not 6AM but 1:30AM. I had gastric lavage but no tablets were recovered and my Tylenol level was just a little high and my liver happy. I was sent to ICU for observation and all went well.
Now I put only the 2 Emergency Pain Vicodin ES pills by my bed in a bottle and that is it. Seems to have worked well so far.
Now as to how people get large prescriptions that varies. This is an old industrial area, pain is thought to be a fact of life. MDs write rather large scripts here. In California one old timer did give me #40 3 refills Vicodin ES, and when sent to the Urologist I got #100 Percocet tabs, which is a lot. So it does vary. My dentist things 10 or 20 Vicodin ES is a major thing.
Have Fun,
Sends Steve
Neenie, really, you do worry me sometimes.
I cannot thank all of you, especially you "Peace" for the enlightenment of using vicodin with alcohol. I have had a really tough road the past 4 years. Drank, no drugs. Got a hold of hydrocodan (i think same as vicodin)and I am not sure, but think I really wanted to end it all. Probably slowly wanted to because pretty much, I am a coward. Well, to make a drama short, both parents recently died that I was taking care of. I am not sure how I did it but with the help of drugs and alcohol, guess I did. Recently, because I am scared out of my wits, I went to the dr. and played dumb. First off, I don't know if I can just up and quit "everything" at once and am afraid the law will come and take my contacts away. Probably would be the best thing for me but probably not. I have stopped "everything" in
the last month and really cleaned up my act! It is here in case I think I need it. I know my blood test came back with liver ensymes high but I dont know how high and really was too afraid to ask. (drunken coward!) Well, I have to get over it, and go back to dr. on Tuesday (May 1) and then guess I'll have to be honest with him. (hell, he isn't the law and doesn't control my purse). I have no other symptons of anything, don't know if it is permanent and if you saw me you would think I never drank or anything. Not that it matters, I don't can't and will never smoke! If anybody has any advice for me, please e-mail me ***@**** or leave a post here> I guess as scared as I am, I am not dead yet, don't want to be, get up exercise, eat right and am trying to live my life clean! Thank God, I do not have children to pass this on to. Thanks, PIJudi
TY for the advice. i am getting hydroc. fromm an internet doc today. i hope it helps
Hi Neenei, I didn't hear from you yesterday so i didn't hear about you r close call but what you were up to the day was close enough for me.....remember we talked about you taking the vics and then weaning off of them to...see spook has the right idea also, you need to send me some email and fill me in....i wans't oniline last night much at ll had a rrally bad day and needed to just be alone..talk to ya soon love cin and My Spook....i still can't get through to you.......send me some mail and let me know how things are since the 17th love cin
I do not have 2 children to look after,so I can, `just stop`,of coarse you lose all your energy and drive and feel REAL sick for 3-5 days.(minimum),more like 10 days.
You are not in a position to do this,exactly why I think one should put drugs behind them when having a family.
I could suggest getting some Hydrocodone as it is longer lasting and just take enough (ORALLY) to be able to function and slowly wean yourself of it ,just as you weaned your kids from breast feeding.
Do it for your kids,do not waste the most precious of lifes experiences,that is watching your children grow up and being there for them when they need you.
I Know Hydrocodone will substitute for Oxycodone,just watch your acetaminophen intake and do not drink alcohol.
If you are really losing the plot and hitting up oxy`s ,then maybe consider Methadone maintenance "therapy"?.(sustitution really),at least you will be able to function and take care of kids.But give it a good go on your own first,if you succeed,next time you are in the same situation you will have no problem stopping.
I am not saying it is going to be easy,but the easier your life is the easier it is to not use Opioids.
What was that close call?if you want to keep it personal I understand.