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Depression from Opiate Withdrawl
Everyone I have ever known or heard of that got off any opiates was left with severe depression. Is this a standard side effect and how long will it last and how is it best treated? My friend's nephew just went to an addiction doctor who gave him buprenorphine injections and other scripts to get off pain pills. When he asked about an anti-depressant the doctor said "no mood enhancers for addicts." This seems unusual to me.
for 3 years i was tacking 10---20 percs or up to 25 7.5 vicodins a day and a couple oxys 40mg. tryied everything to quit and the only thing that helped was the thomas withdrawl recipe about 20 dollars of vitamins you can google it youll get a thousand hits on ot and it helps with loss of energy and depression. It is so simple to do. I guaraty it works without feeling like your going to die, just some leg cramps is the worst part but a HOT bath soak does the trick and the vitamins are wasy to find
Patrick/Tom I appreciate any help you can give me.I have emailed you a copy of this,their is another 243 pages.
page 1.
The Enigma of Consciousness
LUKE. G. EDWARD.
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INTRODUCTION
Can one percieve the entirety of an object, that which, themselves are only a tiny component of ?.
The Omniety,God, Krsna,Allah or any other name one refers to as their Deity of worship is possibly composed of all the particles in this Universe,especially,the as yet undiscovered particles that compose Space itself (Wheeler refered to them as Pre-Geometry).As mere Humans we must be composed of a limited and negligable number in comparison to the Deity.
In order to percieve of God,I believe one must use their Consciousness`s most refined and Pure(emotionally unadulterated) form of its human manifestation,which I shall call our "Soul"throughout this Book.
The term Spiritual or Spirit I shall consider our most precious Human emotional experience of the expanded conscious state,that can, as mentioned be distilled to the level of emotionless Soul.
In order to percieve of ones Deity they must shut down consciouness to the puriy and level of the Soul and use its Ultra-sub-particle Quantum Energy Matrix of structure(pre-geometry) and the net collective effects of its attractive gravitational forces to interact with the larger all pervasive structure that permiates this entire Universe and in this book I shall refer to this All pervasive structural consciousness as God,the Super Soul,
Cosmic Consciousness as the state of intersection of the soul with God and the Universe.
Collective Consciousness will be considered a similar communication but done between humans and also existing in perpetualty on its own accord,whether or not one taps into it or is conscious of it.
Awareness will be differentiated from consciousness in that is requires the Neurological Structures of Organisation of the brain/mind as well as some consciousness to exist and will also be considered the "Normal" state of mind typified by having a Subconsciousness.
This allows for awareness of being Conscious and consciousness of being aware.
Ego will be considered as an emotive and Intellectual manifestation of the "Normal" state of mind,and referred to as the "False Self"in this Book,The persons "Identity" in their unenlightened state.
Unenlightened are those essentially Egocentric Humans complete with subconsciousness whose consciousness is dislocated or blocked from its source (the Soul) as it has not yet been expanded and eventually by repetetive expansion,learned how to remove the blockade and programing of society.
The "Normal" state of mind will be considered a natural reponse to its environment and not a disease,although the Cosmic/soul-conscious mind will be considered Superior.Even an semi-egoless expanded semi-deprogrammed mind is superior,for reasons that will be explained in chapter 2.
Enlighened as being anything other than "Normal".
page2
This Book will provide the supporting Physics and Neurochemical and Neuroanatomical information about our Normal Mind and instructions to achieve and make contact with your Soul,and possibly the Cosmos(Universe) and thus God,it also looks at the Social, Cultural and Political ramifications and interactions of a predominance in our Western Societies of this Proliferation and acceptance of Normality Insuperior.
Much of the research is backed up by Neuropsychopharmacological and Quantum Physics experiments and Vast amount personal experience.
CHAPTER 1. The Neuropsychological, Neurochemical,Neuroanatomical correlates of Human behaviour and related Physics.
Quantum Physics dictates that the Human Brain is not capable of accurately percieving Reality and that standard perception is based on Cartesian/Newtonian systems,concepts and structures.The notion of the existence of God and our souls has plausible scientific basis when understood through the eyes of someone who has a grasp of these Sciences.
In order to percieve the true nature of our Universe,one must first reduce all sensory input to a minimum,But this is the final step and many other things must be achieved first,I will mention them in due course.
Sensory Deprivation allows Dopamine to accumulate in pre-synaptic storage vesicles in the midbrain region otherwise known as the Mesencphalon.(Middle brain).
It is an area of the brain stem that is positioned such that signals of information (electrical) from all other parts of the "brain"above it and around it and the nervous system below it-our "body",must pass through it.
Once Sufficient Dopamine has accumulated and saturation occurs the Dopamine Neurons will easily release the Dopamine Neurotransmitter, with extremely little external stimuli,in fact,you will be taught to use an internal trigger to start the Dopamine cascade event.
In this state, the Reticular Activating System (RAS) that surrounds the Midbrain and is essentally the Reducing Valve of Sensory information,will be fully operative,leading to the Increased Consciousness required to start our two fold task, first looking outward upon our own minds and eliminating subconcious and ego and deprograming our "Normal"selves such that we can then acheive the second part of this very tedious and long adventure(it took me over 20 years)looking in deeply within ourselves ignoring the mind and body in effect now contracting our expanded consciousness to the pinpoint pre-geometry that in essence is our soul,ie consciousness and attaches and interacts gravimetrically with the entire universe,this is the Cosmic conscious state,you will be in the Mind of God.
It is only the interaction of our souls consciousness with our minds awareness as it pertains to itself that allows us as humans to introspect and be aware of the fact that we are alive,othewise we may not realize this and may behave in a destructive and ego orientated mode of social programing.I believe that now in this year 2001 many people do not and are not self-realized and a lot of this Book is concerned in how we de-evolved to this low conscious and thus Intellectual point and the social,political,religious and personal consequences of existence within a predominantly 'Souless",material object orientated society and almost World now.
page 3.
Albert Einstein stated that no information can travel faster than the speed of light and Newton postulated that ALL bodies have attractive gravitational forces associated with them.For Newton,time and space formed an absolute framework,within which the material events of the world ran their course in imperturbable order.His was a Gods eye view of the "World": it looks the same to every observer,where they are or how they travel.By contrast it has been said that Einstein`s is a Humans eye view,in which what you see and what I see is relative to each of us,that is,to our place and speed,and this relativity cannot be removed,"we can only communicate our own views to one another.And communication is not instant;we cannot remove from it the basic time-lag of all signals,which is set by the speed of light".
At the end of Einsteins life he was "still" working to seek a unity between gravitation and the forces of electricity and magnetism.
Today Quantum Physics has found no Gravity shields and see no limit to the forces of gravity in that you, for example, exert a force upon the moon,however very relatively small and no atom or sub-particle cannot also be excluded from being caught up in the theory that every particle in this entire universe is communicating Via gravity with every other particle.
I therefore state that information can travel instantaneously via gravitional attraction and is not restricted to the velovity of light; (E=mc
page 1.
The Enigma of Consciousness
LUKE. G. EDWARD.
<a href="***@****" target="_new">
INTRODUCTION
Can one percieve the entirety of an object, that which, themselves are only a tiny component of ?.
The Omniety,God, Krsna,Allah or any other name one refers to as their Deity of worship is possibly composed of all the particles in this Universe,especially,the as yet undiscovered particles that compose Space itself (Wheeler refered to them as Pre-Geometry).As mere Humans we must be composed of a limited and negligable number in comparison to the Deity.
In order to percieve of God,I believe one must use their Consciousness`s most refined and Pure(emotionally unadulterated) form of its human manifestation,which I shall call our "Soul"throughout this Book.
The term Spiritual or Spirit I shall consider our most precious Human emotional experience of the expanded conscious state,that can, as mentioned be distilled to the level of emotionless Soul.
In order to percieve of ones Deity they must shut down consciouness to the puriy and level of the Soul and use its Ultra-sub-particle Quantum Energy Matrix of structure(pre-geometry) and the net collective effects of its attractive gravitational forces to interact with the larger all pervasive structure that permiates this entire Universe and in this book I shall refer to this All pervasive structural consciousness as God,the Super Soul,
Cosmic Consciousness as the state of intersection of the soul with God and the Universe.
Collective Consciousness will be considered a similar communication but done between humans and also existing in perpetualty on its own accord,whether or not one taps into it or is conscious of it.
Awareness will be differentiated from consciousness in that is requires the Neurological Structures of Organisation of the brain/mind as well as some consciousness to exist and will also be considered the "Normal" state of mind typified by having a Subconsciousness.
This allows for awareness of being Conscious and consciousness of being aware.
Ego will be considered as an emotive and Intellectual manifestation of the "Normal" state of mind,and referred to as the "False Self"in this Book,The persons "Identity" in their unenlightened state.
Unenlightened are those essentially Egocentric Humans complete with subconsciousness whose consciousness is dislocated or blocked from its source (the Soul) as it has not yet been expanded and eventually by repetetive expansion,learned how to remove the blockade and programing of society.
The "Normal" state of mind will be considered a natural reponse to its environment and not a disease,although the Cosmic/soul-conscious mind will be considered Superior.Even an semi-egoless expanded semi-deprogrammed mind is superior,for reasons that will be explained in chapter 2.
Enlighened as being anything other than "Normal".
page2
This Book will provide the supporting Physics and Neurochemical and Neuroanatomical information about our Normal Mind and instructions to achieve and make contact with your Soul,and possibly the Cosmos(Universe) and thus God,it also looks at the Social, Cultural and Political ramifications and interactions of a predominance in our Western Societies of this Proliferation and acceptance of Normality Insuperior.
Much of the research is backed up by Neuropsychopharmacological and Quantum Physics experiments and Vast amount personal experience.
CHAPTER 1. The Neuropsychological, Neurochemical,Neuroanatomical correlates of Human behaviour and related Physics.
Quantum Physics dictates that the Human Brain is not capable of accurately percieving Reality and that standard perception is based on Cartesian/Newtonian systems,concepts and structures.The notion of the existence of God and our souls has plausible scientific basis when understood through the eyes of someone who has a grasp of these Sciences.
In order to percieve the true nature of our Universe,one must first reduce all sensory input to a minimum,But this is the final step and many other things must be achieved first,I will mention them in due course.
Sensory Deprivation allows Dopamine to accumulate in pre-synaptic storage vesicles in the midbrain region otherwise known as the Mesencphalon.(Middle brain).
It is an area of the brain stem that is positioned such that signals of information (electrical) from all other parts of the "brain"above it and around it and the nervous system below it-our "body",must pass through it.
Once Sufficient Dopamine has accumulated and saturation occurs the Dopamine Neurons will easily release the Dopamine Neurotransmitter, with extremely little external stimuli,in fact,you will be taught to use an internal trigger to start the Dopamine cascade event.
In this state, the Reticular Activating System (RAS) that surrounds the Midbrain and is essentally the Reducing Valve of Sensory information,will be fully operative,leading to the Increased Consciousness required to start our two fold task, first looking outward upon our own minds and eliminating subconcious and ego and deprograming our "Normal"selves such that we can then acheive the second part of this very tedious and long adventure(it took me over 20 years)looking in deeply within ourselves ignoring the mind and body in effect now contracting our expanded consciousness to the pinpoint pre-geometry that in essence is our soul,ie consciousness and attaches and interacts gravimetrically with the entire universe,this is the Cosmic conscious state,you will be in the Mind of God.
It is only the interaction of our souls consciousness with our minds awareness as it pertains to itself that allows us as humans to introspect and be aware of the fact that we are alive,othewise we may not realize this and may behave in a destructive and ego orientated mode of social programing.I believe that now in this year 2001 many people do not and are not self-realized and a lot of this Book is concerned in how we de-evolved to this low conscious and thus Intellectual point and the social,political,religious and personal consequences of existence within a predominantly 'Souless",material object orientated society and almost World now.
page 3.
Albert Einstein stated that no information can travel faster than the speed of light and Newton postulated that ALL bodies have attractive gravitational forces associated with them.For Newton,time and space formed an absolute framework,within which the material events of the world ran their course in imperturbable order.His was a Gods eye view of the "World": it looks the same to every observer,where they are or how they travel.By contrast it has been said that Einstein`s is a Humans eye view,in which what you see and what I see is relative to each of us,that is,to our place and speed,and this relativity cannot be removed,"we can only communicate our own views to one another.And communication is not instant;we cannot remove from it the basic time-lag of all signals,which is set by the speed of light".
At the end of Einsteins life he was "still" working to seek a unity between gravitation and the forces of electricity and magnetism.
Today Quantum Physics has found no Gravity shields and see no limit to the forces of gravity in that you, for example, exert a force upon the moon,however very relatively small and no atom or sub-particle cannot also be excluded from being caught up in the theory that every particle in this entire universe is communicating Via gravity with every other particle.
I therefore state that information can travel instantaneously via gravitional attraction and is not restricted to the velovity of light; (E=mc
Spook: spook, if I give you the following e-mail address, I would be honored to be allowed to read even excerpts from your book. I don't think you realize how insightful and excitingly unorthodox your writings are. I have earned my living as a professional technical writer, mostly for the computer industry, for going on twenty years, many of which have been spent as an editor, proof reader, writer's mentor to authorities in various fields -- the point is, in exchange for being allowed to read some of your work I would make myself useful as a "pre-audience" for your work. You've stated that one of your goals is to make a multi-disciplinary work understandable to a broad, "unevenly qualified" audience. This is an editorial function I have performed successfully many times for authors of all kinds, often for experts writing in English as a second language -- not that this would be your case. I mention it only to express the range of editing work I have performed in the past. Of course, according to your copyright laws and mine, anything you allowed me to read would be kept in the strictest confidence.
just think about it. You have only yourself to blame. Your subject matter and approach is just too interesting to ignore.
here's my address. Please reply even if it's just to say no. I would respect that as much as anything. Remember, I'm not looking for pay, just intelllectual stimulation on a subject of great personal interest to me.
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I look forward to hearing from you!!! Peace to you spook.
tom
just think about it. You have only yourself to blame. Your subject matter and approach is just too interesting to ignore.
here's my address. Please reply even if it's just to say no. I would respect that as much as anything. Remember, I'm not looking for pay, just intelllectual stimulation on a subject of great personal interest to me.
***@****
I look forward to hearing from you!!! Peace to you spook.
tom
Annie, after reviewing this thread I felt the need to thank you for your kind words of concern for my life-long addiction and obvious struggle with even deciding what to do about it. I know your compassion is genuine and I am truly moved that you would care so much for someone you've never even met. Addiction is, often a form of adversity and, as a wise man or woman once said, one's nobility and humanity are only truly revealed at moments of adversity and pain. Your words "give you away" as a woman of compassion and humanity and I just wanted to acknowledge it while it was on my mind. I haven't given up on overcoming my predicament but I have no illusions that it will be easy or that the solution is as cut and dried as just attending meetings, as important as I admit that is. Please give my best to your husband and I conratulate you both on finding a way to deal with your own addictions in such a positive way.
Peace to you both,
tom
Peace to you both,
tom
thank you for the kind words, spook. It has always been a lonely battle for me because I always seem to be confronted by people who think I am hurting them by doing, as Joseph Campbell said, "Following my bliss," an act Campbell identified as a common denominator for all societies with mythic traditions. I can't claim with total honesty that my use of drugs has never harmed anyone, at least if you include inadvertently inflicting emotional pain as doing harm. Of course, over the years, I could have been a better provider, more sensitive husband and better father if I had not had this obsession to deal with. I would never try to maintain that there hasn't been a price to all of this. But I do not consider myself evil, immoral or cruel. I am a man playing the hand I've been dealt. And despite your discouraging report about buprenorphin in Australia, it is my hope that bup will be legalized as a treatment for opiate addiction and that I will be able to utilize it as soon as it becomes legal and, with the right help, learn to taper myself off of the stuff for good. I certainly hope we've learned from the Aussie experience with bup and make more of a success of it. With my record, I could probably get on methadone right now. However, I understand methadone is the hardest opiate of all to get off of, heroin included. That is why I'm patiently monitoring the status of bup and quietly making plans to avail myself of it. All official indicatons seem to be that bup will become legal to treat opiate addiction in a private doctor's office somewhere between now and this summer.
I do not see that getting high is doing YOU any harm physically,emotionally or Spiritually,Humans have been doing drugs since we came out of the cave and learn`t to harness fire,many drugs contribute vitally to religious ceremonies and the well being of their culture,I know people that have never used a psychotropic in their whole lives and they are selfish naive people,you are the opposite of that.Do not let our current society trick you into thinking you are doing something wrong,it is a mixed up crazy system we live in now,I think you show purity and wisdom in your use of these chemicals,in a way you are trying to turn your back on the wrongness of it all,NOT escape from yourself,you are being made a victim,by a materialist culture dominated by atheists living in a fools paradise.I think you are to hard on yourself sometimes,maybe you feel guilt?.Its not like you seek oblivion,you seek truth and have found a truth that works for you in this society,I do not see a problem at all with you.But thats just my opinion,others may think different.You are lucky to passionately love doing anything as much as you claim to being high.If you wanted to stop I think you would,you are not asking for help as much as seeking permission and only you can give yourself the freedom to do what you want with your life.
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