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suboxone
i have asked this before..............
i am SO desperate to get my bf on suboxone. deperation isnt even the word. he has NO health insurance and i cannot afford it without health insurance. marriage, to me, would be an option-therefore giving him health insurance BUT im not too big on the idea of marrying him with this problem. as it is, we fight about 5 days a week over his addiction....always when he is in withdrawl. i sware to God id rather be single the rest of my life then be with him for 5 minutes when he is in withdrawl. it is soooooo bad. throwing up, chills, wont get outta bed, complains non-stop about everything on his body hurting and how i dont understand, in the bathroom every 10 minutes-or so it seems. im seriously at wit's end. and, he seriously wants off this **** right now. but, i dont know what to do. he cannot stop cold turkey. he has tried 18 million times. nothing works. we have ONE methadone clinic here. just one which is funny because it is a decent sized city. they basically turned him away because he wasnt "shooting" up....yet. nice. right. whatever. i hate them and the city. they dont want ppl on drugs but make it impossible to get clean. it's either too expensive or else he needs to start shooting up. um, ok. that is so stupid.
i am so desperate for help. i called the sub assistance program. they wont mail me paperwork. told me to print it off. i dont have a computer at home. only work. cant print here. plus there has to be an opening at a dr office. i guess they can have 3 per dr. seeing as tho only people that boot the **** get the methadone help, im sure the sub drs are tapped out with helping the ppl that need the sub and do not have money.
he cannot work right now because i do and have a great job. he stays home and watches the baby for us because God knows i cannot afford daycare.
anyone have any advice, at all. anyone been in this situation-if so, what did u do. anyone know of a way to get past this stuff? also, if i found a methadone clinic in say another city, could he go there or do u have to live in that city.
any advice would be fantastic.
i am SO desperate to get my bf on suboxone. deperation isnt even the word. he has NO health insurance and i cannot afford it without health insurance. marriage, to me, would be an option-therefore giving him health insurance BUT im not too big on the idea of marrying him with this problem. as it is, we fight about 5 days a week over his addiction....always when he is in withdrawl. i sware to God id rather be single the rest of my life then be with him for 5 minutes when he is in withdrawl. it is soooooo bad. throwing up, chills, wont get outta bed, complains non-stop about everything on his body hurting and how i dont understand, in the bathroom every 10 minutes-or so it seems. im seriously at wit's end. and, he seriously wants off this **** right now. but, i dont know what to do. he cannot stop cold turkey. he has tried 18 million times. nothing works. we have ONE methadone clinic here. just one which is funny because it is a decent sized city. they basically turned him away because he wasnt "shooting" up....yet. nice. right. whatever. i hate them and the city. they dont want ppl on drugs but make it impossible to get clean. it's either too expensive or else he needs to start shooting up. um, ok. that is so stupid.
i am so desperate for help. i called the sub assistance program. they wont mail me paperwork. told me to print it off. i dont have a computer at home. only work. cant print here. plus there has to be an opening at a dr office. i guess they can have 3 per dr. seeing as tho only people that boot the **** get the methadone help, im sure the sub drs are tapped out with helping the ppl that need the sub and do not have money.
he cannot work right now because i do and have a great job. he stays home and watches the baby for us because God knows i cannot afford daycare.
anyone have any advice, at all. anyone been in this situation-if so, what did u do. anyone know of a way to get past this stuff? also, if i found a methadone clinic in say another city, could he go there or do u have to live in that city.
any advice would be fantastic.
i am on that site now. i registed there before.....i just re-registered for him tho.
i have not tried the local health department....i have never heard of that. i will call today!
thx!
i have not tried the local health department....i have never heard of that. i will call today!
thx!
When you get to a computer, go to Naabt.org. The have a sub doc finder and other resources to help you. There is even a printable drug discount card. 1st thing is to get him to a sub doc.Have you tried the local health dept? They often have sliding scale programs.
Good luck to you. Don't give up on him. Loving support can work- it worked for me and my son.
Good luck to you. Don't give up on him. Loving support can work- it worked for me and my son.
Tyson Red does have a good point. Im not an advocator nor a hater of sub. or other meds to get off pills. I think some people need it for the courage to do it. However, you do have to be very very care as to not trade one substance for another. I have a family member on it who it helped tremendously. He had definately hit rock bottom when he chose to do that. BUT he has now been on it for close to a year and a half or so and I'm afraid he might fall again when he tries to get off...if he ever tries too.
The person I hope too help is his family, so if he choses, he may want the sub. I plan to remind him of what I have learned, however if he decides thats not for him. I'm going to tell him that he should be sure to look into aftercare and this site. I'm also going to let him know that I am willing to take a week off work so he doesn't have to be alone and can have help with things if he needs it...we'll see...
Good Luck to you and your family
The person I hope too help is his family, so if he choses, he may want the sub. I plan to remind him of what I have learned, however if he decides thats not for him. I'm going to tell him that he should be sure to look into aftercare and this site. I'm also going to let him know that I am willing to take a week off work so he doesn't have to be alone and can have help with things if he needs it...we'll see...
Good Luck to you and your family
It sounds like you have tried to get him into a sub or methadone program and it is not possible. However if he did get into one or the other it is only delaying the inevitable withdrawals, and in most cases w/d's from sub or meth last longer than oxycodone. I know he has tried before like you stated, but that doesnt mean that he cant do it. Maybe try to find an addiction specialist in your area that may be able to prescribe other medications to get through the withdrawals stages. If it is at all possible for him to taper his dose down and when its time to quit its possible a doctor could give him a short script for a benzo, even clonidine can really help with opiate withdrawals. Also if you check the health page section for the Thomas Recipe many report that it does really help. Main point being that he can get clean by other means than sub or methadone, and if the fact is that he cant get either, you must look to other avenues that are available. I wish your family all the best, try and find an addiction specialist of somekind that is willing to check him out. Take care.
Hi honey, I'm sorry your so stressed. BELIEVE ME when I say I totally understand. I'm currently in the same boat and very similair situation. I'm not an addict here either, but I'm trying to help two right now who are as close to me as they can be without being a boyfriend. However it is so important because these persons are around my children and need to be...well at least the one definately does..so I know I have to help both...
Anyways, one the sub assist program....have you went to the local library to use their computer..you can apply on their or print a copy off from there. Our library charges a quarter for printouts off the pc...all you need is a library card. If you don't have one you can get one the day you go and you can have pc access right then...
Feel free to message me anytime...good luck and don't give up
Anyways, one the sub assist program....have you went to the local library to use their computer..you can apply on their or print a copy off from there. Our library charges a quarter for printouts off the pc...all you need is a library card. If you don't have one you can get one the day you go and you can have pc access right then...
Feel free to message me anytime...good luck and don't give up
again, if u read my original post........im looking to see how other people with no health insurance and were in withdrawl were able to get clean with sub or meth or whatever
im really sorry im just now getting back on. for some reason i wasnt getting the notices that u all responded.
and, im not trying to sound mean or anything. i feel that most people on here are addicts themselves or recovering addicts........and that is NOT me and not my case....
i do know im enabling him. i call myself that all the time to him.
im really sorry im just now getting back on. for some reason i wasnt getting the notices that u all responded.
and, im not trying to sound mean or anything. i feel that most people on here are addicts themselves or recovering addicts........and that is NOT me and not my case....
i do know im enabling him. i call myself that all the time to him.
his doc is oxy
but he will take percs or whatever he has to if he cannot get oc's.
he cannot post on here. we do not have internet. im at work doing this....
but he will take percs or whatever he has to if he cannot get oc's.
he cannot post on here. we do not have internet. im at work doing this....
and yes my insurance covers it.
while making all my phone calls (instead of him) i of course called the insurance co to check it out
while making all my phone calls (instead of him) i of course called the insurance co to check it out
of course i do not want my child to go see a therapist in 10 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cut him off financially and see if he steals? what???? what in the world is that about? he helps me non-stop 7 days a week watch our son so i can work. we do it like this on purpose. i have a great job..........and im not loosing it to be a stay at home mom. so this is a decision that we made together......
why would i cut him off $$$ when he is making it possible for me to work, keep my job and advance. why would i do that?
wow-people are haters on here. never knew that til now.
cut him off financially and see if he steals? what???? what in the world is that about? he helps me non-stop 7 days a week watch our son so i can work. we do it like this on purpose. i have a great job..........and im not loosing it to be a stay at home mom. so this is a decision that we made together......
why would i cut him off $$$ when he is making it possible for me to work, keep my job and advance. why would i do that?
wow-people are haters on here. never knew that til now.
well, one i have no problems pointing out areas where he needs to own up to his own.
but, maybe i didnt specify enough..............he DOES want to get clean. more than anything in the world.
h eisnt "loaded" as u said on pills. he doesnt do them and get this huge amazing rush where he is just so high and cannot take care of anyone or anything. he takes **** to simply not get sick.
when he is in wd and suddenly we have let's say oh, $200---and he is sick--his mind set, at that time, isnt to go ahead and drop that off at the local bank for rehab, SOMEDAY. he looks at it like "awesome, ok cool i gotta get something now because i am dying"....
me calling docs, etc isnt him not wanting to. um, i have internet at my work. we do not have internet at home.....so, how should he get online? maybe his mom's house that way she will call the police on him because she is like that?
u really need to know the full story b4 u go off.............
but, maybe i didnt specify enough..............he DOES want to get clean. more than anything in the world.
h eisnt "loaded" as u said on pills. he doesnt do them and get this huge amazing rush where he is just so high and cannot take care of anyone or anything. he takes **** to simply not get sick.
when he is in wd and suddenly we have let's say oh, $200---and he is sick--his mind set, at that time, isnt to go ahead and drop that off at the local bank for rehab, SOMEDAY. he looks at it like "awesome, ok cool i gotta get something now because i am dying"....
me calling docs, etc isnt him not wanting to. um, i have internet at my work. we do not have internet at home.....so, how should he get online? maybe his mom's house that way she will call the police on him because she is like that?
u really need to know the full story b4 u go off.............
I usually just post to get advise, but I'm in a similar situation in regards to not being the one with the addiction. Well let me rephrase that, I'm not the one addicted to drugs. I have been where you are and been at the end of my rope. I have gone through watching my husband go through withdraws and re-lapse more times than I can count.
I think my mistake and seems maybe one of yours too is that we are sooo irritated that they have put themselves in a situation that makes them go through withdraws and we have to suffer the consequences.
I took a different approach this time. I found this forum which is a HUGE help. And I am filling my head with as much knowledge and advise as I can absorb. Another thing, and in my opinion is what is helping me the most this time is Patience.
Only he can make the choice to be clean and it is not easy for them. I have been doing a lot of listening and not a lot of talking. When he feels like ****, I draw him a bath. When he is feeling anxiety, I rub his back.
Bottom line for me is, if they want to be off the drugs they will. The only thing we can do for them is be there and be supportive. Just always know your limits! It's a fine line. If he's trying, you try. My husband is on day 14 of recovery from his DOC and day 3 without suboxone.
I think my mistake and seems maybe one of yours too is that we are sooo irritated that they have put themselves in a situation that makes them go through withdraws and we have to suffer the consequences.
I took a different approach this time. I found this forum which is a HUGE help. And I am filling my head with as much knowledge and advise as I can absorb. Another thing, and in my opinion is what is helping me the most this time is Patience.
Only he can make the choice to be clean and it is not easy for them. I have been doing a lot of listening and not a lot of talking. When he feels like ****, I draw him a bath. When he is feeling anxiety, I rub his back.
Bottom line for me is, if they want to be off the drugs they will. The only thing we can do for them is be there and be supportive. Just always know your limits! It's a fine line. If he's trying, you try. My husband is on day 14 of recovery from his DOC and day 3 without suboxone.
Hi---- We know that you love this guy -- but I am hoping that you learn such terms as "Enabling" and "Co-dependence" and how those terms apply to you. Your bf must really want this for himself - and there is little a loved one can do until he is ready to do this --- it is tough but doable. I don't think you mentioned his DOC, but that makes a huge difference in what he should use to get clean. Methadone and Sub are tools but come with a price that is very high -- not money but the fact that they are extremely difficult to come off of. It may be that he needs in patient help and should look at that possibility. Everyone on this site wishes you and your bf the best and please keep posting -- Better yet, get him to post if he can.
I agree 100%. Put yourself and your baby first! No EXCEPTIONS HERE! Your motherly instinct is telling you this but you are desperate and your thikning is cludy right now. You can give him one more chance. He deserves that since it seems that u have not given him this alternative. See how he responds, you are working hard to keep his habit going strong. Cut him off financially and see if he resorts to stealing etc. Then you know you have to leave him for you and especially the baby. Children are sponges and pick up on tension and anxiety. Do you want your child to have to see a therapist over this in 15 years???
I'm sorry to hear you are in this situation. I may say some things here you may not want to hear, but bear w/me. You have GOT to stop making excuses for him. The only way he can get better is if HE wants to. If he does, why are you doing all the running around, calling this and that, finding a doctor etc. I'm not saying you cannot help, but look, go to the library or a friends and get the papers printed.
Understand that when he is in w/d he is going to be the most irritable. I would advise NOT having him watch the baby....i know you'd like to think he would never hurt her, but if he's irritable.....or loaded its not the best idea.
If you were to marry him and get him insurance, are you sure they would cover it? They may say it's a pre-existing condition? And, it's a mental health benefit, so it may only cover a portion. Mine only covers 50% and I had to pay my portion UP FRONT.
Bottom line, if he wants to get clean bad enough, he will find a way. Drugs aren't cheap, if he put all the money he spent on the dope into getting sober he may have some cash there. Maybe you can show him this site for himself? There are so many great people on here that can help him get off and stay off on here. For you, you can't do it all. Take care of yourself and your baby, and support him in getting clean, but don't feel you have to do it FOR him.
Understand that when he is in w/d he is going to be the most irritable. I would advise NOT having him watch the baby....i know you'd like to think he would never hurt her, but if he's irritable.....or loaded its not the best idea.
If you were to marry him and get him insurance, are you sure they would cover it? They may say it's a pre-existing condition? And, it's a mental health benefit, so it may only cover a portion. Mine only covers 50% and I had to pay my portion UP FRONT.
Bottom line, if he wants to get clean bad enough, he will find a way. Drugs aren't cheap, if he put all the money he spent on the dope into getting sober he may have some cash there. Maybe you can show him this site for himself? There are so many great people on here that can help him get off and stay off on here. For you, you can't do it all. Take care of yourself and your baby, and support him in getting clean, but don't feel you have to do it FOR him.
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