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[OxyDout]

This is another open forum, but I have to say one thing.

If there is an Asteroid hitting the earth anytime within the next 20 years, then you better damn well believe I'm consuming all the drugs I want!!

I mean come on, wasn't the movie scary enough, why does this have to be a real threat.

[BOOP93]

Thank you for answering,

I Have been taking the multi-vitamins and ltyrosine, B6, Kava-kava,and valerian to sleep. It's weird I am sleeping better, but this anxiety and out of it feeling in my head are driving me crazy!!!!  Does this sound normal to you or anyone who might read this???? And if so How long????  

god bless
Boop

[Witchywoman]

Boop, if it has been 5 days without any opiates, you should be feeling better very soon. Some people get extended withdrawal symptoms, and the restless leg can last a few weeks.

Some things to do if you are not already, take supplements!
A multivitamin and mineral will help restore the nutrients the opiates depleted.

Read the board, there is a list of supplements on one of the posts as well.

If you don't start to feel better soon, maybe you should see a doctor, but I hope you get through it. After day 4 or 5 usually just extreme lethargy is there.

love,
WW

[themic]

The withdrawls I have been experiencing aren't keeping me in bed with chills or shakes, I have nausia, cramps, no appetite, like flu symptons only it comes with depression and a severe case of the why did I "f" myself up again. Self destructive behavior is an old friend of mine much like the monster inside of me. When I feed the monster it grows and it cannot be controlled. I am going to have to seek some sort of real counseling, not that I haven't done that before but I think a real shrink and not just an alcohol counselor. The real trip was today I was in a meeting for a new version of a Kronos system that will be online where I work and Im acting cool and calm and inside I was shaking and baking...Well its been like 4 or 5 days so maybe the physical is almost over but the mental/emotional part is always my toughest battle. I guess its all part of my lifes experiences, hopefully I will not have to detox again. Sobriety, as boring as I thought it was...was certainly a more seren and sane existance...Later

[themic]

Quick question, a guy at work is a heavy vicodin, percocet/ any hydrocodone that he can get and he has scratch marck and scabs all over him, I know I get itchy from 1 or 2 Vicodins but this guy has scarred himself.....what is this all about...????

[BOOP93]

HELLO AGAIN ~

It's been a few day's since I wrote, I am on my 5th day and am having some really crazy **** happen. I am hoping someone can let me know if this is due to W/D or not??? I think it is but am unsure, and if it is if you can give a GUESSTIMATED time length. I know everyone is different.  This is what I'm feeling:
Like I can't think or see straight, someone mentioned foggy and that kind of is the feeling, also total heart palpitations, shakes, can't stop shaking my leg. I know this can be the anxiety part but I am taking the kava-kava so I thought that would help that???? Please let me know if you have felt this or something similiar, and if so how long will it last???? I don't think I can deal w/ this too much longer!!!!

PLEASE ANSWER VERY SOON
THANK YOU
GOD BLESS ALL
BOOP

[Witchywoman]

Everyone is different when it comes to the L-Tyrosine.

I'd recommend you start by taking 1000mgs of the L-Tyrosine. Anything higher than that made me feel sick. But some folks swear by taking 4,000. mgs.

good luck!
love,
WW

[koalabear]

Hi everyone!  It's me the scared-y cat again.

I purchased my cockail, as I posted earlier and found Sam-e today.  I was very happy about that!

I also saw my doctor.  He is taking me off the patch, and putting me on Lortab-5 mg, to wean starting Saturday.

My question is, I have started taking the cocktail, but haven't started the L-tyrosine yet.  I figured I'd wait until Saturday. What is the dosage for that?  I know it's a taper, but don't know how much to start with.

I bought these things, and if there is anything missing, PLEASEEEEEEEE let me know.  Saturday is going to be here very soon.
5-HTP
Vitamin B Complex tincture
Sam-E
L-tyrosine (1000 mg.)
KavaJohn (kavakava and St. John's Wort)
Mega Multi vitamin

Thank you for all your support.  I believe I am a regular poster now (LOL  :) ).  I know I will need your support even more when it comes time for my patch to wear off.
Take care all,
Koala

[fishman59]

no offence taken but; I have always used my drug of choice,yes I smoke my fair share of pot but thats it,since I don't know what s in oxycontin I'm not going totry it.also since codeine is very easily available here (no prescription) I have no desire to play with fire
                       may you live long and prosper
                       Joe

[OxyDout]

Ok, PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS, but remember that this is a drug addiction forum, WE ARE ALL THE SAME, now...............

Can you honestly say you got the oxycontin but have not taken any........??????????  I know, its a bad question, but i know there is no way in hell I could resist, you know?

As for everyone else,  HERE IS MY DETOX STORY...

PAIN, HELL, TEARS, BLOOD, AGONY ETC.............

[themic]

HEY ALL, Excellant site, I could not have found it at a better time. I was sober for 6.5 years and well...I started using vicoprofin for a neck injury, and well now I drink on occasion...always get wrecked never social (as if) and I think the vicodin has got a hold of me, I have'nt taken any for 3 days and I going through what I think are withdrawls, I'm an alcoholic but I done alot of drugs but never was addicted to them, I never messed with the opiates and I think thats why. Well, I have to seek some help but I cringe at the thought of AA meetings again...any thoughts

[fishman59]

I guess doctors here in Canada are the same as the doctors south of us!! Last week I went to MY family doctor,I guess it was his golf day. His replacement saw me (and my file),when I explained that my doctor told me not to stop my codeine intake till I had some support and asked him for a new prescription he said that I was taking too much "tylenol" so to cut it down the moron writes me a scrip for oxycontin-100 tabs.I got them but have yet to take one,as I discovered later I still had refills for tylenol. Talk about starting a drug addiction epidemic!
                             may you live long and prosper
                                                 Joe

[alexandra_r]

Hi There--Welcome to the forum.  This place has helped me a lot.  

themic: I was completely drug free for ten years up until 15 months ago when I injured my back (herniated disc L4-L5).  I was a heroin addict for 6 years when I was in my early twenties. However, the pain in my back was unbearable so I took vicodin and have been on it since.  The pain in my back is still bad sometimes, but not constant.  So, now I take the painkillers not only when I'm in pain, but to avoid w/d's.   I also don't want to go back to AA (I went for about 3 years and then stopped going when I felt that I had moved on).  I am hoping that I don't have to go because I'm not really an alcoholic and I have a glass of wine with dinner once in awhile and don't go nuts.  I also like to smoke pot occasionally and don't have and have never had a problem with that either.  However, these little vicodins have a mean, nasty hold.  I am going to go to the beach this weekend and w/d off the low amount I've been taking.  My advice to you is to wean yourself if you can.  I started weaning about a month ago and am down to _very_ few pills.  I think the w/d will be fairly mild if I don't get it into my messed up head that it's going to be the worst thing I ever experienced.  Try to wean if you can and then go off and try like hell not to let it happen again.  It doesn't get any better with time, believe me.  =(   I'll send one up for you.

Fishman--Dude!  That's hilarious that the doc prescribed you antibiotics!!!!!  No wonder we are all getting immune to the effects of antibiotic drugs--because there are crazy docs prescribing them when they don't know what else the **** to do with a patient (when in doubt, just write a prescription--if the patient shuts up then all is well with the world).  It sounds as though you had _classic_ withdrawal.  I have also experienced hallucinations during w/d--one time I was walking down the grocery store aisle and the floors moved and the ceiling moved down.  I thought I was Alice in Wonderland.  (actually, the hallucinations were the least of my problems).  There is a recipe posted many times on this forum.  I haven't tried it yet, but others have and swear by it.   Unfortunately, my experience with withdrawal is that it is worse when you know what to expect.  Good luck. I'll send one up for you too.

[koalabear]

Hit a wrong button... sorry

Multivitamin
5-HTP
L-tyrosine
extra B supplement
KavaJohn (has KavaKava and St. John's Wort)

now after looking these up, some of these have the same effect.  Should I not take one of these?  Don't want to overdo it on herbs because I heard it can be harmful.

Please respond ASAP - good news, I called my Doc to get me in early, and I am seeing him tomorrow!  Am very excited and extremely anxious!

Thanks again.  You guys have been great!

Koalabear

[fishman59]

OH MY GOD!!! I just read this entire thread and I think I blew out a few million brain cells-heres why--About 7 years ago I woke up one morning and felt really bad,(flu symptoms).The next day I woke up and did nothing but throw up from both ends,the 3rd day I had alot of trouble sleeping and felt like I was going to die..my wife called a doctor that made house calls. He came over and prescribed some antibiotics.I'm allergic to penicillin which is what he gave me.later that day I started hallucinating and other fun brain tricks,very very body sore.This went on for a couple more days,so I threw out the antibiotics.Here is the part that blew my brain cells... I just realised that in those 5 or 6 days I did'nt have any codeine..those were withdrawal symptoms..and worst of all..now I know what I'm going to have to go through ...AGAIN!! Now I'm scared shitless--should I,,should'nt I,,I know I have to but now the unknown is known,HOW do you people do it again and again? Is it really harder each time? In what way is it harder? WHOA now I'm really scared!!
                may you all live long and prosper

[IrishRose]

Hi ww- Have meant to write to you for sometime now to see how you are doing. Have missed seeing you post so I was quite tickled to log on and see your moniker up here! Hope all is well with you and in your life.

Welcome to everyone new here recently. I've been around here for awhile, just not posting much lately, life on life's terms has kept me really busy lately.
Blessings to you all.

IR

[billyk]

That was so perfect Phaedrus. If I had seen that before my kick I would not have been so scared.

O.K. Here is my w/d story.
as Phaedrus said, this is what happened w/ me, not written in stone ya know. Depends if one can put mind over matter and "suck it up" and live in the sobriety and not rest on the addiction.

day one: horrid nervousness. I was soo apprehensive not knowing whats to come I could not concentrate. I felt bad, but not THAT bad. I was O.K. until night hit. Knees ached so bad. I kept straightning my legs to get relief (w/ no relief comming) I had Benzos, but they also brought no relief. I ended up picking up at 3 a.m. So disgusted I went to an addiction Psych the next day and he perscribed me Methadone. Very low doses to help me get through the w/d part (it helped very little) I had kicked it once, but soon ended up at my normal 100mg of opiates a day for 6 years, never missing a day. I had already kicked a benzo habbit, so when I found out the little pills someone had given me to help w/ the w/d were Benzos that was what sent me over the edge to see an addiction Phsych.

a new day one: second verse, same as the first. Felt anxious and flueish all day. Thought it was bad, till night hit, and I knew it was bad. I was taking hot baths all through the night. Maybe got 1 hour of sleep, but I was so wired from the w/d I was not that tired.

2nd day. felt anxious heart was now beating irregularly and the flu really set in. These feelings came and went. I had a stack of movies but could not concentrate long enough to watch 30 mins of anything. I found little relief from these feelings but wanted to quit so bad I felt I was deserving of a little hell. Mainly worried about how bad it was going to get on the third day. which it did.

3rd day. the runs, flu, stomach cramping soo bad I really thought I had stomach ulcers. My body was playing so many tricks on me to make me pick up now, it was constant. I was just having a crappy time of it. Headaches, body aches, knees ripping in the worst pain I had felt, not to mention my stomach!! That night was the worst. More hot baths, no relief in sight, mind was really playing tricks on my now. "Just pick up those pills and sleep will come" (I did not pick up!!) I was so restless and saw no relief I found myself writing goodbye notes to everyone I had hurt. I really thought something bad was wrong but had come so far I was not going to quit this thing just yet. I was crying (also so unlike me) every bone and muscle was tired and acheing. I was beginning to think I would not make it.

Day 4: woke up feeling wired. (on 1 hour of sleep) I thought it was over! I was so excited. I was wrong. I found myself looking for w/d symptoms to find none. wooohooo...... I was wrong. The harder I looked the less I felt, but then the feelings must have been laying in wait. The anxious feelings and hear palipitations would hit hard all at once! I would almost fall down to the sudden anxioty attacks. Ya know what, the bad feelings that were lasting days now where only lasting hours. I started taking the vitamins and Immodium now and symptoms were minimized. Mind still played some tricks w/ me, my bloodpressure was high and my temper was set off by small things. Still having heasdaches and anxious feelings.

been 30 days now clean, ya know it was hell, but it ended. I was soooo tempted countless times to pick up, but did not. Made meetings (N.A. meetings) and talked on here to myself.lol.
My wife came home and I came clean. no one knew of what I was going through that week. I did it all alone and at times thought I would die, but like Phaedrus said, no one had died from opiate w/d and I just added to that statistic. Getting over the w/d is only 10% of the battle I am finding. Besides feeling extremely tired and run down I feel somewhat normal now and still think, at times that, using will be different this time,,, how dumb can a guy be?? I am a successful business man. I have a great wife and kids and a great life. I am not going to risk loseing it all over a pill. That is my reason for staying clean.

till present: I have felt pretty good, the bad days turned to bad hours, then minutes. My body still plays tricks on me begging me to use. One has to be commited and find support to get clean. Stil have trouble sleeping, and have wierd body things going on, headaches and the such, but life is so much better sober than I would have imagined.
Good luck. I hope this helps.

[Witchywoman]

Hi KBear,
It looks like you'll do the taper route, which I encourage if you can.  I tried to taper a zillion times and failed each time. I just kept relapsing no matter how hard I tried, so I did a few cold turkey attempts and finally got through one and stayed through it.

I've been clean since last August. Somewhere in the archives is how I did it, but I'll write it out again here for your benefit.

Day 1  I felt sweaty, restless, but not too bad. By night time, I could not sleep no matter what, even with a large dose of valium. So that night I took 3 vicoprofens. I felt like a failure, but was commited to not taking any the next day.

Day 2 Felt really bad. Spent the day in the hot tub. Cried my heart out, Wrote on this forum till my fingers were blue from typing. Saw my acupuncturist.  Sweat, got restless legs, skin crawling, the runs..all of it. Imodium was very helpful.
That night, still no sleep. I took 1 vicoprofen that night and was able to sleep.

Day 3  Worse day. I felt like ****. Body shakes, more gut cramps and runs, sweating like a pig, like a horrilbe flu.  That night I took half a vicoprofen and was able to sleep a bit.

Day  4 I began to feel a bit better, definately through the worst of it, but still had some skin crawling, just a lot less.
that night i took half of a vicoprofen.

Day 5 much better, but at night still couldn't sleep so I took 1/4 of a vicoprofen.

Day 6 was much better, but then the lethargy hit. Moving from one room to another took more energy than I had. I got winded easily and I'm a very physical fit person.  But I swallowed all my supplements and just sucked it up and got through it.
That night it was hard to sleep but I didn't have the intense restlessness so I didn't take any more vicoprofen, and haven't since. I was free.  The extreme thrill at being opiate free was a major high for me. I was exhilarated. It felt as if I had just scaled the world's highest mountain.

The depression was handled very well with taking 5 htp. Had I known about SAM-e at the time I"d have taken that as well.
Also, all along, I saw my acupuncturist almost every day, took tons of hot baths, drank tons of water and took a lot of vitamin c. I also went for a half hour or more walk every day no matter how tired I felt as I knew that was the only way to encourage my brain to make more endorphins.
The lethargy lasted for a few more weeks for me.
The I started to feel normal again, and I was so damned grateful for that. I still am.
Sleep took a long time to get back to normal, and it still is not completely easy for me to sleep, but that may be more due to the stress in my day to day life.

But, I'm coming up on a year since then, so I can tell you, it can be done.
The hardest part is really staying clean. Fighting the whispers of the Dragon that will give you many good reasons to pick up again. Just don't do it. Don't listen to them. Talk to others before you feel cravings.

The most uselful thing that was said to me through  it all was "you can do it if you really want it bad enough".  

Good luck,and remember, we are all here with you, every step of the way. If you don't feel you are getting the responses you need, scream at us! Sometimes with all the posts here it is easy to feel lost in the shuffle, but I will be here for you and any addict who needs it, no matter what.

I hope the tapering works for you, but if you do need to go cold turkey, it is hard, but it is doable. I promise. It really is doable.

love, luck, and light to you,
WW

[Phaedrus]

K-Bear,

I'm not that familiar with the patch.  So I don't know if there are lower-dose patches available that will enable you to taper.  But it sounds like you have a good doc and I would stick with his counsel.

I am a huge advocate of tapering.  I was able to taper off of 100 MG/Day of OxyContin with very few side effects.  Some sleeplessness and a lot of depression and low energy.  But no withdrawals!  So, if you can do it I don't think there's any question that it's the way to go.  But be warned that not many people are able to do it.  I haven't been successful in doing it this time--yea, I'm a great one to be giving all this advice as I've picked back up everytime!  Do as I say not as I do!

Here's my taper advice: give all your meds to your husband.  No secret caches for emergencies.  

If you stick to the schedule you will be able to avoid the withdrawals; which I think is a HUGE motivator to mind your p's and q's.

I really do hope you make it.

[koalabear]

One more thing, Phaedrus.

You said you quit from a low dose, exactly what was it?

Thanks again.

Koala

[koalabear]

TOTALLY INCREDIBLE!

I actually was incredibly moved by your diary.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking time out of your busy day to respond.

I called my doc's office to see what to expect.  He does not do cold turkey...he does tapering, which from the sounds of things, I don't want those w/d's.  

I am going to give my medicine to my husband to dispense.  The biggest thing was coming clean to my family.  I have been on Duragesic-50.  I am assuming I will have to start on another medicine to be able to wean.  

Anyhow, getting all vitamins today, and wish me luck!

Thanks again, Phaedrus....thanks more than you'll ever know!

Koala

[AlexisInTx]

What an excellent post, phaedrus.  I've been going through some of my own problems with thinking about picking back up recently (unbelievable how hard it is to stay clean) and you have just summed up so much of what I've been feeling and said it so eloquently.

The triggers that make you go back, the reasons your brain tells you why it's "okay" to feel normal again and start using, but at a smaller, more manageable dosage.  I think for me I've figured out that after I kicked, I had nothing else to look forward to.  I know this is a lie, but this is what my altered brain tells me.  Justifications of why it's okay to use.  You really start talking yourself back into it.  One insidious little thought pops up in your head ("just one won't hurt") and it snowballs.  Pretty soon you find yourself with 90 count bottle of Norco yet again and you've just steered back onto that road you so successfully (but painfully) just got off of.

[Phaedrus]

Sorry those prepping for detox don't feel they're being heard.  It's a real freaky time and you're starving for information--I know.  I've been there myself.
Unfortunately, I'm up against a deadline at work and I don't really have time for as detailed a blow-by-blow as you'd like.  But I can share a bit of my experiences with you.
Of course, so much of it depends on the person and your history--what you were taking, how you were taking it, how much you were taking and for how long.
But generally speaking, here goes, with the following disclaimer: I'm no expert on this.  I've gone through it 3 times from a fairly low dose.  This is my take and if others have different takes they should post them; but this isn't intended to be about right or wrong it's just what happened to me!

Day 1

If it's your first kick, I think you'll find that your fear and anxiety were much worse than the experience itself.  Today you'll be feeling like you've got a good dose of the flu.  You'll alternate between having the chills and sweating like crazy.  Blankets one minute naked the next.  You won't have much of an appetite but I think you need your protein.  Ramen noodles with a can of tuna did the trick for me but I can eat anytime.  Perhaps you won't be able to eat anything.  Force down some ensure or slim fast.  And drink lots of water.  You've got to stay hydrated while sweating so much.

Valium will really help this bash if ya can get some.  You'll feel very edgy.  And come nightfall, one of the more unpleasant aspects of the experience will hit; it's going to be hard to sleep.  You may get an hour.  Two if you're lucky.  Then you'll pop up wide awake.  You're just gonna have to deal with it.  The benzo's may help you get back to sleep.  If not, they'll help you zone out on some trashy movies or late night tv.  I usually tried going for a walk at night.  It's the last thing you'll want to do but I think any exercise helps.

The first day probably will not be nearly as bad as you expected.

Day 2

You're going to feel worse today.  The "flu" will be much worse.  But it won't be any worse than any flu you've probably experienced.  Body's going to ache like a *******.  Hot baths early and often.  You'll really learn to love your hot baths.

Your bowels will begin loosening today.  Have that Immodium handy cause it will not be pleasant.  Burning runs for the next few days.

Make sure you rented a slew of movies.  Sleep if you can.

I got really weepy on day 2.  Not like me at all.  I was very emotional.  Very depressed.  Cried at the drop of a hat.

Two things I hate mentioning because I did not experience them and I hate to plant the seed, but you wanted it straight so I should add this.

1) Tactile sensations--some people experience the sensation that their skin is crawling.  This drives people nuts.  Again, Valium will really help that bash.

2) Restless leg syndrome--again, drives people nuts.  Their leg keeps kicking involuntarily.  And some people get horrible pain behind their knees.  Did I mention valium?  But, hear this!  I know I'm talking up the benzo's here.  I do so cause they really, really helped my kick.  But be careful with those little bastards.  An opiate kick is like a walk in the park compared to a benzo kick.  You can die!  Seizures!  Death!  So use them for a few days, but don't trade one habit for another!

Again, I was real lucky and did not experience either of the above.  But if it happens, just don't freak.  You just gotta go with it.  Don't fight it.  No one has ever died from opiate detox.  Millions have done it and came out the other side.  This too shall pass.

Day 3

Odds are, this will be the worst of it.  Nothing new, just more of it and more intense.  You'll probably be really fed up and tired of feeling like ****.  You'll know that there is a 100% guaranteed "cure for pain" available to you and that you'll feel better in 15 minutes.  This will be your moment of truth.  Just try to stay focused on what made you want to kick in the first place.  If you really, really want to kick you're going to call someone before you dose, not after.  Have some numbers to call.  If you're doing this in absolute secrecy, my take is that you're probably an addict and don't know it yet.  But, you can do it.  It's just going to take some serious willpower.

You still won't be sleeping and that will get old fast.

Day 4

Congratulations!

If you've made it this far without picking up you passed your first test.  The physical symptoms will be downhill from here.  You'll begin feeling marginally better with each passing hour--ups and downs, of course, but I think this is generally true.

Day 5

Should be feeling incredible improvement now.  If necessary, you'll be able to function as a human today--although it's best if you can lay low another day or so.

So now, you've made it through the hard core physical part of the withdrawal.  Now comes more fun:

Depression and a total lack of energy

Your brain has gotten a free ride for however long you've been dosing.  It hasn't had to do any work in producing your natural endorphins.  And it's turned into a real slacker.  it's going to go back to work whenever it feels like it and there's not much you can do to influence it.

--Take your vitamins--there's a recipe posted here and a lot of people swear by it.  Contents and dosages are posted.
--Try 5-htp or SAM-e--noting the interactions on the label and not mixing them with the wrong meds.
--EXERCISE--you still won't feel like it; but tough ****.  You've had your fun, now it's payback time.  Get your butt out there and do something.  Walk.  Crawl.  Anything.  It will help.

How long this phase will last is anyone's guess.  I've read people who felt fine after 10 days.  I've read others who don't.  But make no mistake about it; this is the danger zone.  All the stuff you've seen in the movies about heroin detox is all wrong:  people emerge from detox hell all sun and light. My experience is that detox isn't anywhere near as bad as they paint it in the movies but that post-detox isn't anywhere near as sunny.

You're going to feel like you're in a fog.  Your energy level is going to be very low and you're going to be depressed.  And this, not the horror of detox, is what sends most people back out.  They just get tired of feeling so down and they decide they need to feel "normal" again.  At least that's what happened to me.

It will get better.  I challenge anyone to present evidence that opiates alter brain chemistry permanently.  It takes some people a while.  But it does get better.  You will feel normal again.  Just don't pick up.  AA, NA, SMART RECOVERY, Church groups, group therapy, iron willpower and self-reliance; pick your weapons of choice.  But know that you will be tested.  Your brain is going to contruct the most eloquent and logical arguments for picking up.  And you're going to be telling yourself how different you are from all of us addicts.  The rules just don't apply to you like they seem to us.  And you'll convince yourself that one little pop to get up for that meeting...or that date...or that court appearance...or that game...or that family dinner...or that audition...or that interview...or, or, or...won't hurt anything/

But just to clear up a few misconceptions many have:

just one will turn into every day faster than you can imagine.  you won't even realize it happened.

you won't "reset your tolerance."  your first few doses will pack a much stronger punch.  so do be careful if you head back out cause a lot of people have died dosing at pre-detox levels.  but instead of six months to build a tolerance, you'll be back at pre-detox levels in just a few days.  I don't know how or why.  But trust me on this one.

And finally, one of the real mysteries for me: it gets harder each time.  No restless leg or skin crawling on the first try?  Guess who's coming to the next party?  What won't seem so bad on your first try will be exponentially more difficult with each successive try.  I don't know why but it is.  For the love of God, if you really want to kick, there's no better time than the present.  The first try will be far and away your easiest.  Don't look back.  And don't listen to the whispers.  They are lies.  All lies.  Don't be a sucker.

But, maybe you are different.  Maybe the rules won't apply to you.  Good luck.

[koalabear]

I too reiterate BillyK's request. I feel like no one is hearing me and am totally alone.  

I am having anxiety attacks about this weekend.  This is going to be the biggest turning point for me.  I have geared up for this for weeks but am scared to death.  Although the pain is legit and have been taking Duragesic honestly, I can't help but be terrified of withdrawals.

Please all of you who are sober, recount those days for us.  We need to know what to expect.  

I've posted a couple of times, and only had a couple of responses.  I need a major council!  I need you all very much in this desperate attempt to get off this.  I have the cocktail recipe and am getting that today.  Also am going to start today.  Will these vitamins upset my stomach more than it already is?  I think it's upset due to anxiety.  

Please help me!  I need you people.

Koala

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Anyone heard from Angst lately?