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Today is a new day. My b/friend and I are having the grand opening of the business we lost do to pills. We left a bunch of unpaid bills so it took us awhile to catch up. Printed an ad in the paper last week and lots of people have been stopping in to check it out.So it looks good so far.Please eveyone pray to their own god that we make this business go.It brought in tons of cash before we just invested it in the wrong place. Anyway wish us luck. Im going to take the dog for a walk on this early morning and pray we can make this a new start.Good morning to all and hoping you have a wonderul painless day.Melissa
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Thank you JD for the recipe. It is the weakness that is the worse,although I haven't been able to sleep and it is getting worse! I don't think I can get benzo's. I was lucky to get clonodine. I can't tell yet, but does it help? It dosen't help me sleep thats for sure.
Golden, I agree with this **** about ultram is bullshit! I have 4 yrs clean of 5yr dope habbit, 2yr meth habbit, drinking, weed, coke (never really liked it though) and whatever else! I'm put on this **** and told non narcotic. Once it triggers me, I'm taking like 15 a day and can't get off the stuff. I feel I have a good chance this time. I told on myself and got help after many attempts to quit on my own. I think the web is a great idea and If I can help in anyway let me know. There are more out there and more to come I'm sure.
I want to be a normal person again!   KimH
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If you're doing a cold turkey detox off opiates such as Vicodin, wait until the more gross symptoms -- sweats, cramps, nausea, runs -- have stopped before using the L-Tyrosine. The thinking is this: In addition to dopamine, L-Tyrosine is metabolized into norepinephrin -- brain adrenalin. This works against your efforts to sedate yourself to ride out the initial withdrawal symptoms.

After acute withdrawal has abated, you're going to feel like a rancid mop -- total lack of physical, mental and emotional energy -- because of your dopamine, norepinephrin and endorphin (natural morphine) deficits. It's at this time that the L-Tyrosine with B6 will help you bring your own ass back to life.

Take a sufficient dose, and you'll feel the difference in less than 1 hour. And I mean really feel it -- not a placebo effect "feel-better" but an undeniable kick in the ass. If you're coming off a tall habit and feel absolutely brain dead, 3000 to 4000 mgs will lift the fog in 30 to 40 minutes. It's quite dramatic the first time you experience it. It's not like a caffeine wire, but more of a sudden clearing of the mind and a flood of confidence and optimism -- and physical energy.

It's this physical energy from L-Tyrosine that you need to put to work to get out of the house and into some kind of light aerobic activity, such as fast walking, bicycling, lap swim (or stair master and cross-country ski machine) -- whatever you can manage. You won't be able to do much at first and your addict self will hate it. But get 20 to 30 minutes of sustained aerobic activity (consistently elevated respiration and heart rate, upper and lower body involvement) and you'll re-start the process of making endorphins. And, as the good Dr. Bozian will tell you, you'll be establishing a healthy, revitalizing behavior in place of your drugging behavior.

As for producing too much dopamine, we should all have that problem! I know of no such occurance or condition associated with L-Tyrosine. Generally, if you take a dose too high for you, you'll get something akin to the "coffee jitters." Just lower the dose a bit on the following morning.

How long to take it? As long as it makes you feel good and helps you sustain your recovery. My good friend hippee takes it every morning. L-Tyrosine is not a drug. It's an amino acid found in our daily diet -- dairy, meat, poultry and other foods.

One thing I need to say since we're all drug fiends around these parts: unlike our pharmaceutical treats, taking more L-Tyrosine more often doesn't help. In fact, take a significant dose of L-Tyrosine more than once a day and you'll give yourself a massive, nauseating migraine-like headache. Take one big dose in the morning and it will last through the day. Some people take big doses immediately after acute withdrawal and scale the dose down as their recovery progresses. Read the Recipe text for instructions on starting L-Tyrosine.

Pick up pure L-Tyrosine 500 mgs capsules at the health food store (in the US), or get it on the web if in Canada. Remember to take 100mgs of vitamin B6 (in capsule) with the L-Tyrosine (on an empty stomach) to promote absorption. Try to wait an hour before eating breakfast. Hold off on the morning coffee until you feel the L-Tyrosine kick in. You probably won't want the coffee! Good luck.

Thomas
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Tramadol withdrawal is hell .... I am still in the middle of it and hope I will make it. I would say to use a stable dose ... regularly and cut it slowly (thats what I did) I switched to vicodin (very small dose) 16 days ago ... and when I get to 21 days off ultram, I will do WD from the vikes.
This drug was the biggest fraud perpetrated on the public since Watergate ... it has 2 antidepressants in it ... symptoms are dizziness, sweats, sleeplessness ... and alot more. Read about paxil withdrawal or effexor withdrawal .... very similar. The good news is it can be done. I'm planning to start a board for ultram victims as soon as I am actually out of the woods ... in the meantime email me at ***@**** .... I can help you ... Goldie
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Thomas Detox Recipe

PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.


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You should do 7mg tomorrow, then 6mg, then 5mg, then 4mg, then 3mg, then 2mg, then 2mg again, then 1mg.  I would say after that, you will experience the least amount of withdrawals possible with what you have available to you.  I am not going to say how bad it will be because it is impossible for me to say that.  But, it will be less than if you went cold turkey from the oxy when you stopped it.  I know that for a fact.  You are going to have discomfort.  Unfortunately, no one gets a free ride.  But, you should do fine.  What is positive is the fact you are feeling ok now being on such a small dose of the methadone.  That is very reassuring.
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