Pregnant and freaking out

[signmeup]

Hello all.  I am a new member and having difficulty finding answers for my questions on the internet, so I thought I'd give some background on myself and see if anybody here has gone through what I am currently going through and offer some advice.  K, here goes.....I am currently 6 weeks pregnant (calculated from 1st day of last period, so actually only about 4).  I found out 8 days ago and immediately stopped everything I was doing which was drinking and taking suboxone, 8mgs every other day for an addiction to pain pills (20-30 norcos a day).  Problem is, I THOUGHT I could quit suboxone cold turkey since I have long gotten over my addiction to pain pills but when 4 days had passed, I started to experience withdrawals.  The worst w/d for me being the "creepy crawlies" in my arms and legs which just don't let up!  I became REALLY upset realizing that I wouldn't be able to just stop.  So I took an 8mg Suboxone which almost immediately made me feel better and then got on the internet.  Basically, what I found out was that I should switch to subutex, which I did TODAY and that my baby MAY experience withdrawals.  When I went to the doctors today he told me that my baby WILL experience withdrawals for about 7 days which has made me extremely upset!  I am married and we have a 14 year old and we have been loosely following the rhythm method with withdrawal method for over a year with the thought that if we get pregnant, we will have a baby.  I did this "loosy goosy" approach because I knew that I am such a scardy cat that I wouldn't deliberately TRY to get pregnant, but that if it happened, we would then be blessed with a baby.  Well, now I wish I never would have done this!  I am now faced with the dilemma of either having an abortion or having anxiety throughout the whole pregnancy that my baby will experience withdrawals which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.  If my baby dies after it is born I just would check out.  Both of my parents have passed away and my BEST friend just died 5 months ago.  I lost my dream job 3 years ago due to some really jacked up office politics and haven't worked since.  I thought that getting pregnant would be a wonderful thing for me and my family and give me a new outlook on life, but now that I've realized I can't just stop taking sub like THAT, I am FREAKING OUT!  I don't think that the stress or the consequences for my unborn is worth it.  I really need some TRUTH and advice either way...I was on my way to being fine.  I was planning on looking for a new job and getting my life back. I thought I was DONE being dependent on anything even though I was taking suboxone every other day for pain management, I thought if I HAD to, I'd just take some tylenol and be OK.  Well this wasn't the case and now I'm really scared.  Any input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

[troubleinohio]

I am so sorry =(   Is there any chance it was just too early in the pregnancy to detect the HB?? I knew a few women who went for their first U/S and saw no hB and were told they would probably m/c  but then when nothing bad happened, went back for another test and the HB was there. How many weeks should you be right now? I think the HB does not start til around 5 weeks or so if I remember right. Is there any chance at all? Im not trying to give you false hope or anything, but IVe known some women who have had amazing things happen like this.
Also, never think that this would be your last chance at having a baby..many women are very fertile right after a m/c.  I have suffered many m/c's. I tried for years to have children and couldnt and then when i suddenly was finally able to get pregnant, i had a bunch of m/c's in  a row including a tubal pregnancy in my fallopian tube , but now have 2 beautiful sons.  So dont ever give up hope.
PM me anytime if you want to talk more or anything

[narla]

Please read posts carefully before replying,Signmeup had an ultra sound and there was no heartbeat and blood in the cervix,She has been told she will miscarry as there is no heartbeat.what you have written could be very distressing.

[avisg]

Sign,
I am sooooooo sorry .regardless of the situation its so hard to lose a baby .Just remeber alot of the time even when they say you wont be able to have an more kids it does not happen that way .You also may be at the point where you dont feel the need to have more .I have lost a baby so if you ever need to talk pm me .Keep working on that taper so you can get off the sub .Enjoy all of the wonderful things you do have in your life we are all very blessed:)
avis

[signmeup]

Well folks, I just went to the specialist today that does ultrasounds.  After crying while telling him what I was really only worried about, the fact that my baby would go through withdrawals, he explained to me that yea, almost everyone who is taking an addictive substance will have their baby withdraw for a bit, but that at the same time, the withdrawal symptoms will be helped in the baby with phenobarbital.  He then asked me if I wanted to see the heartbeat.  I said yes, because at this point I was just determined to do as good as I could during the pregnancy, which was take it ONLY WHEN NECESSARY, and I was going to have my baby.  Well, as it worked out, he looked for the embryo, found it and saw that it had no heartbeat and that I had blood gathering in my cervix.  I should be having a miscarriage very soon.  I guess this was God's plan.  I am upset because of the fact that this was pretty much my last chance of having another baby, but at the same time really didn't want to have the baby go through withdrawals.  I guess God has his way of making everything happen for a reason.  Just wanted to give you guys an update.  On the bright side, though, I am ready to throw myself back into life and make it happy for the 14 year old that I DO have, my husband, and 4 stepkids (they're all older than my son, but the oldest is 22).  Life will still be good and STABLE.  I am determined to get off these f*ckin' subutex so I need Thomas' recipe, which I couldn't find in the health pages.  Does anybody know what it's under?  I really didn't know that I'd have to detox from SUB; I just found that out when I tried to do it for my pregnancy, but I guess that is the case afterall.  Currently, I am fine with God's plan and doing OK.  Thanks to everyone that was concerned.  You guys are great and I will be on this site and continue to give updates and support when I can.

[LoandTansMom24]

Hey! Hope you are doing ok. :) You are actually on a low dose compared to what I was on so that is definitely a plus for you! I was on 12 - 16 mgs DAILY! My sub doc did not switch me to subutex. She kept me on sub. My son (born on sub) will be 3 yrs old next month. And my daughter just turned 1 in Oct. Both of them are healthy, happy babies. Please keep in touch as I know this can be a very scary time and I will be glad to share any info I have with you!! Take Care!!

[worried878]

I never meant to imply that u were self absorbed..i do know that when a erson is depressed..theybecome self absobed to protect themselves...ther becomes a lack of nrg to worry bout outside things,,,recently was in this state...hierarchy of needs is to live...and when u r depressed it is all we can do to make it thru the day much less making our friends and family problems part of our won agenda

Sub is a strong narcotic...babies born to someone on a narcotic may be addicted..being a nurse and working in the NICU i know this...and have witnessed the wds of a newborn...keeping ur OB/GYN informed is important..and u know this...but be sure to let him/her know which I am sure u have done...the aura suboxone pharmaceuticals have surrounded sub with is a bit scary...it is still a powerhouse of a narcotic..used for pain originally in other countries at ...0.02 mgs....doses here in the US r astronomical since marketing sub as an addcition drug/,maintenence drug/started making people thik they were not really on a "Narcotic"  tricky...but it is a strong narcotic..partial agonist but will put most narcs to shame as far as strength goes
Subutex and suboxone contain the same narcotic which bupe....subosone contains naloxone which prohibits shooting the drug into the veins...other than that there is no difference..altho naloxone can cause headaches and at times people r switched to subutex due to headaches..having taken both, subutex is a better high as naloxone is also an opiate blocker and a form of it is used in codes when people have ovedosed and it will block the opiates and bring them to a concious status...bupe also has a blocking effect so when u put them together I do think the high from bupe is not as good as pure bupe///subutex,,thank goodness getting high is not an objective anymore..just recalling...but do not c how subutex wouldbe safer than suboxone as far as pregnancy goes...has been a while since i worked with newborns tho and things change...but pharmaceutically it would make no sense unless headaches from naloxone were an issue

People make choices that work for them..and only the person can make those choices...a mother who relapsed due to stopping a maintenence narcotic and went into full blown addiction again is not a good choice either...as this would not help this person be  the mother they want to be..
altho my addiction occurred later in life...i do know it had an eFfect on my children..and for this I grieve almost everyday of my life

God bLesses us and helps us make wise and all we have to go on is our inner self...so we go with out gut feeling..and do the best we can..that is all we can do