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Seeking Expierenced Advice Kicking Heroin Habit With Subs
Okay for starters let me apologize for putting up another sub related question as I have read thousands of them over the past year. I have received what I believe to be a lot of good advice and I have read so absolutely terrible advice IMO. A little background on me.
24 years old. Addicted to SMOKING heroin only. Never got into any other ways of administration, nor did I start off with a pill addiction. I went straight to H like a moron. Anyway been addicted and using on and off for the last two years. The majority of thay time has been spent using. I jave kicked and been cleaning about six times. All ranging from a week up to two months. Though two my two months clean was a one time only thing about a year ago. I have gotten my habit down to a 30-40 bag everyday. So a little under a half gram. I have kicked four times cold turkey and twice with suboxone. All self inducted and bought on the street.. In my expierence I went seventeen hours took a half a suboxone which was a 8 milligram pill. I felt sick afterwards meaning I probably took it too early but fell asleep right after. When I woke up an hour later I was completely fine. The second time I kicked with suboxone I went 21 hours and had a smiling expierence however I didn't take the nap. Felt P. W. (PERCIPITAITED WITHDRAWAL) I know I Sept that wrong sorry, however I only felt it for about an hour. This time around,i have two eight milligram suboxone film strips, and also one eight milligram subutex. I know you cannot take subutex any sooner than suboxone and a good time to wait is a minimum of twenty four hours. Well I can never wait thay long. I took my last hit of H tonight at three in the morning. My plan is to try and make it a full or close to a full 24 hours before self induction of two milligrams of subutex. Wait and see how I feel. If I feel worse I messed up and took it too early. If I feel better I won't take anymore until I feel withdrawal coming back. Does this sound like a good plan? I also have two one milligram Xanax and one ambien. I also have a few Prozac which I have never taken Prozac but was wondering what everyone who had expierence with Prozac thought about using Prozac to combat withdrawal or symptoms of post acute withdrawal? I plan on taking a quarter Xanax within the first twenty four hours to combat my anxiety and irritability. Which is one of the worst parts for me. I also am one to get extreme back pain and this is the main reason why I never make it. Can anyone suggest anything to help me get through the first two types four hours? Please keep in mind I'm a closet heroin user so I must try and remain as normal as possible or if possible these first twenty four hours. I know it really isn't possible and luckily I have no work tomorrow and my little one is with a family member till I can feel better. I cannot wait to be clean and be clean for good. All opiate addicts no thay this is no way to live. This is a slow and painful death for the user and any loved ones around. Any help would be appreciated. Please no criticism that is not positive. Thank you in advance and thank you for reading my post. I kept it short as possible. Any and all help moves mountains. By the way, I am located in Colorado if anyone can recommend a good free addiction help or NA group. Thabks again.
24 years old. Addicted to SMOKING heroin only. Never got into any other ways of administration, nor did I start off with a pill addiction. I went straight to H like a moron. Anyway been addicted and using on and off for the last two years. The majority of thay time has been spent using. I jave kicked and been cleaning about six times. All ranging from a week up to two months. Though two my two months clean was a one time only thing about a year ago. I have gotten my habit down to a 30-40 bag everyday. So a little under a half gram. I have kicked four times cold turkey and twice with suboxone. All self inducted and bought on the street.. In my expierence I went seventeen hours took a half a suboxone which was a 8 milligram pill. I felt sick afterwards meaning I probably took it too early but fell asleep right after. When I woke up an hour later I was completely fine. The second time I kicked with suboxone I went 21 hours and had a smiling expierence however I didn't take the nap. Felt P. W. (PERCIPITAITED WITHDRAWAL) I know I Sept that wrong sorry, however I only felt it for about an hour. This time around,i have two eight milligram suboxone film strips, and also one eight milligram subutex. I know you cannot take subutex any sooner than suboxone and a good time to wait is a minimum of twenty four hours. Well I can never wait thay long. I took my last hit of H tonight at three in the morning. My plan is to try and make it a full or close to a full 24 hours before self induction of two milligrams of subutex. Wait and see how I feel. If I feel worse I messed up and took it too early. If I feel better I won't take anymore until I feel withdrawal coming back. Does this sound like a good plan? I also have two one milligram Xanax and one ambien. I also have a few Prozac which I have never taken Prozac but was wondering what everyone who had expierence with Prozac thought about using Prozac to combat withdrawal or symptoms of post acute withdrawal? I plan on taking a quarter Xanax within the first twenty four hours to combat my anxiety and irritability. Which is one of the worst parts for me. I also am one to get extreme back pain and this is the main reason why I never make it. Can anyone suggest anything to help me get through the first two types four hours? Please keep in mind I'm a closet heroin user so I must try and remain as normal as possible or if possible these first twenty four hours. I know it really isn't possible and luckily I have no work tomorrow and my little one is with a family member till I can feel better. I cannot wait to be clean and be clean for good. All opiate addicts no thay this is no way to live. This is a slow and painful death for the user and any loved ones around. Any help would be appreciated. Please no criticism that is not positive. Thank you in advance and thank you for reading my post. I kept it short as possible. Any and all help moves mountains. By the way, I am located in Colorado if anyone can recommend a good free addiction help or NA group. Thabks again.
Hi. You can take your pulse by feeling for your pulse (heart beat) and counting each heart beat for 1 minute while watching a eg clock.
Lol I meant staying clean stupid phone haha. I'll take any laughter at this point though lol
Thank you for your fast response. Yes staying hard is ultimately the hardest challenge. My current struggle is my fear of withdrawal. The constant struggle to maintain being what people believe me to be as "normal" is the main excuse I use to use. I know it's an excuse. Sitting here now I have no money but my mind still races with my daily routine of, "how will I get my fix today? " All other priorities fall to the sidelines. And I'm tired of it. But I'm truly scared. I'm scared of withdrawal even if it's only a day. It's pretty sad to know that I would rather live years struggling and slowly dying then have one hard day of being sick. But I am praying that today is the day. I'm only two and a half hours in and I can feel early withdrawal already. This is because I couldn't get my full daily amount yesterday and had to go on a outnumbered half of that. So I'm hoping that will help somewhat in making my withdrawal shorter or at least be able to take my subutex sooner. I'm going to use the COWS worksheet to help decide in what time to do my induction but with the cows worksheet I cannot measure my heart beats per minute or blood pressure. How can I actually get an accurate result without knowing these two prices of crucial information? Thank you again for your response and kind words. It'll be a hard day but I pray I can make it through
Thank you Again
Thank you Again
Hey there and welcome. I also read your response on another thread and I must say you are aware of lots of info. However, if you don't change your behavior, having the info doesn't help much.
You say you got clean 6 times. You know the wd drill. That's not the issue. The issue is STAYING clean. I have full faith that you can get clean using the method you described. But that isn't worth much if you keep going back, is it?
You said it yourself "I can't wait to be clean and clean for good!" Staying clean requires this: cancel ALL of your smack contacts (delete ph #, change your ph # etc.) And mostly, getting into a program and workin' it! So glad you mentioned NA. You can go asap. You only need the desire to get clean, you don't need to actually be clean. A lot, like myself, go to AA as well: tons of meetings and many many "druggies" in there as well.
Stick around and keep posting. Lots of support coming your way.
You say you got clean 6 times. You know the wd drill. That's not the issue. The issue is STAYING clean. I have full faith that you can get clean using the method you described. But that isn't worth much if you keep going back, is it?
You said it yourself "I can't wait to be clean and clean for good!" Staying clean requires this: cancel ALL of your smack contacts (delete ph #, change your ph # etc.) And mostly, getting into a program and workin' it! So glad you mentioned NA. You can go asap. You only need the desire to get clean, you don't need to actually be clean. A lot, like myself, go to AA as well: tons of meetings and many many "druggies" in there as well.
Stick around and keep posting. Lots of support coming your way.
Forgot to add. I have a daily men's vitamins, vitamin b12, as well as 5htp, that I will be taking daily. I also have valerian root and was wondering if this is something I shouod plan on taking!? I have heard mix reviews with Valerian root. Also I do not plan on being on subs for more than the three I have. When I've kicked before I've split two eight milligram pills or strips into about 2 milligrams a day adding one milligram a day if needed after the two subs are gone the severe withdrawal symptoms were over and I could live life almost normal. Still no energy but dope free
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