This morning has been rough.Im taking a really low dose of Sub from the Dr.If he would have it his way i would have allready eaten a whole one.And in about 4 hrs another one.Im sure that would probly make me feel somewhat better for right now, but how about a month from now? Im trying so hard to follow thru with a plan that ive made from experince and from reading the boards.It is very similar to something that is posted allready and is really a combination of a few.I took 1/4 of sub ,it helps no doubt, traditionaly day 4 is torture.My body is screamin for the opiate and my head is saying not a chance, by that i mean my Prescribed DOC Oxys.My head is saying stay the course it will get better for sure you allready know that, I feel like my BP spiked big time since yesterday. I can feel it.Cold, shaky.upset stomache kind of went away, ive actually got out after day 1 and walked for about an hr and then paced around.The last 2 days i ate ok.Im going to go to a drug store and check my BP.Then im going to sit down and eat something at Dennys.Im just trying to get past the roughest physical part with help from the subs without using them for more that a couple weeks, i bought thomas recipe and started part of that yesterday wtih Ltyrosine and took a melatonin at midnite to help me fall asleep.Dont know how well that works yet as im still confused with WD syptoms.Concentrating is hard.Low energy.But all in all im ok with everything, like i have soem big choice in the matter as ive committed to doing this so i can be clean again and feel and enjoy without artificial help.My back is ok .So i sure dont need the oxys for that anymore, Danm after being clean for almost 9 yrs then going on a 2 yr run on the oxys has kicked my as$.Thanks for all the kind replys and answers everyone has shared with me on this board,What big hearts you all have.ALot more to say but want to go and check BP and move around to try and feel better, if today goes as planned and it will. that will be 4 days down, for a total of 3 subs in 1/4s and im wondering when i should really start taking all the stuff in the THomas Recipe except the Benzos. I cant stand the energy loss from those.If i couldnt sleep at all for a few days i would use 1 but otherwise i want to stick to the Vit.Min Amino part ,SHould i start that while on the Subs too? I will be quitting the Subs in about 6 to 10 more days max..