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Tramadol to help withdrawals?
Daughter is on day 3 of detox. Still in a lot of pain. She does have a prescription for tramadol so yesterday we did give her one every 8 hours. She is determined to go to work today...wants one Tramadol to get her thru. should we give it to her?
I remember when Tramadol first came out. I had successfully managed to get myself off of Vicodin and then Methadone because I didn't know what Methadone was at the time. Kind of similar to this scenario with Suboxone. They convinced me that they were going to wean me off of Methadone to get off of 4-5 Vicodin a day. That's like killing a fly with a hammer. Six months later I had a very serious addiction to Methadone that took about 2 months to get over cold turkey by myself. I didn't know anything then.
I have a fractured back and they started to sell Tramadol or Ultracet as a non-addictive opiate type drug. Suffice to say - it is highly addictive in a very different way then most opiates. DEPRESSION! It's the depression that really needs to be addressed with this medication. Opiates in general begin to take over your brain's own reward system and so your brain over time begins to rely on the opiate to release dopamine into your brain which is a chemical that naturally makes us feel good. Without dopamine one may easily feel suicidal. Tramadol takes over the brains dopamine release system so the brain is dependent on Tramadol for it. However, what really differentiates this drug from other opiates is it's anti-depressent type quality and is molecularly similar to Effexor which has SNRI effects. Tramadol's difference from other opiates are related to Tramadol's effect on serotonin and norepinephrine re-uptake. Again, these two substances are the brain's way of making us feel good. Withdrawal not only has the typical opiate side effect, to a slightly lesser degree (at least in my case) but it also comes with severe anxiety, severe depression - almost to a point where I wanted someone to watch me so I didn't do anything stupid, severe mood swings, aggressiveness, brain zaps similar to the brain zaps people describe from Effexor, very bad restless leg syndrome, and very vivid night terrors. Many people think Tramadol withdrawal isn't going to be hard because the drug isn't that powerful but in many cases it is worse than most other opiates out there because you are not only dealing with opiate withdrawal but also anti-depressent type withdrawal like Effexor, Remeron,or Paxil - Not Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, etc. The other hard part of Tramadol withdrawal is you don't begin feeling better on the third day like most other opiates. Tramadol withdrawal is at least a full week of feeling like this. My recommendation for getting off of Tramadol is to use Tylenol 3 during the first week. Tylenol has a little Codeine in it and will help with the opiate withdrawal a little. Take one when the crying is absolutely uncontrollable. The other must for Tramadol withdrawal is .5 mg of Xanax, 1 mg of Ativan, 1 mg of Klonopin, or 10 mg of Valium. I would choose Valium has it's half life is the longest therefore keeping you as stable as possible. Discuss with your Doctor. This should be for one week only! Ask your doctor for only a week's worth and tell him what you're doing. The other medication you should have is Clonidine. It comes as a patch or as pills but they help will all opiate withdrawal. It always seems when we're in withdrawal like it will never end. It will and it does. Whatever you do, don't solve your problem by creating a much bigger one. Good luck to you. Let me know if I can be of any further help to you.
I have a fractured back and they started to sell Tramadol or Ultracet as a non-addictive opiate type drug. Suffice to say - it is highly addictive in a very different way then most opiates. DEPRESSION! It's the depression that really needs to be addressed with this medication. Opiates in general begin to take over your brain's own reward system and so your brain over time begins to rely on the opiate to release dopamine into your brain which is a chemical that naturally makes us feel good. Without dopamine one may easily feel suicidal. Tramadol takes over the brains dopamine release system so the brain is dependent on Tramadol for it. However, what really differentiates this drug from other opiates is it's anti-depressent type quality and is molecularly similar to Effexor which has SNRI effects. Tramadol's difference from other opiates are related to Tramadol's effect on serotonin and norepinephrine re-uptake. Again, these two substances are the brain's way of making us feel good. Withdrawal not only has the typical opiate side effect, to a slightly lesser degree (at least in my case) but it also comes with severe anxiety, severe depression - almost to a point where I wanted someone to watch me so I didn't do anything stupid, severe mood swings, aggressiveness, brain zaps similar to the brain zaps people describe from Effexor, very bad restless leg syndrome, and very vivid night terrors. Many people think Tramadol withdrawal isn't going to be hard because the drug isn't that powerful but in many cases it is worse than most other opiates out there because you are not only dealing with opiate withdrawal but also anti-depressent type withdrawal like Effexor, Remeron,or Paxil - Not Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, etc. The other hard part of Tramadol withdrawal is you don't begin feeling better on the third day like most other opiates. Tramadol withdrawal is at least a full week of feeling like this. My recommendation for getting off of Tramadol is to use Tylenol 3 during the first week. Tylenol has a little Codeine in it and will help with the opiate withdrawal a little. Take one when the crying is absolutely uncontrollable. The other must for Tramadol withdrawal is .5 mg of Xanax, 1 mg of Ativan, 1 mg of Klonopin, or 10 mg of Valium. I would choose Valium has it's half life is the longest therefore keeping you as stable as possible. Discuss with your Doctor. This should be for one week only! Ask your doctor for only a week's worth and tell him what you're doing. The other medication you should have is Clonidine. It comes as a patch or as pills but they help will all opiate withdrawal. It always seems when we're in withdrawal like it will never end. It will and it does. Whatever you do, don't solve your problem by creating a much bigger one. Good luck to you. Let me know if I can be of any further help to you.
The problem is this. We are sensitive people. We feel more than most people. We are in touch with things and see things in other people that most people can't. Most of us are so caring and loving that this harsh and unkind world can be very difficult for us to live in. It's the sensitivity in us that makes us such great people and great friends but that sensitivity has no on/off switch. Most of us aren't looking to get high - we're looking to not feel for just a little bit. It only takes a few moments in a room full of addicts to realize you are in the presence of greatness and some of the funniest and genius minded people on this planet. There's definitely a few that don't fall into this category. But most of us are in touch with something, something greater than us, something that makes us in touch and feel emotions in a way others don't. Most of us turn from this, are confused by it and find a substance that covers it up for a while. For me it was opiates. But by covering up those feelings, you also cover up that sensitivity of caring and love and greatness that we share that you once had so much of. This isn't about trying to get through withdrawals. That's the first 3-7 days not counting post acute withdrawal syndrome. It's about seeing if you can allow your feelings to be as they are; allow you to be as you are. Suboxone keeps your feelings covered up and keeps you from being who you really are. Suboxone is literally a pill that keeps you from getting back to who you are. If you're going to wean off of Suboxone than wean off of whatever you're on now. Listen to those that have been through this. There is no easy way out but there is a way out and it doesn't have to take months or years. You will love Suboxone because you will think you won't have to go through the misery of withdrawal. You eventually will only it will be much worse and longer than you could ever have imagined and you'll be writing a warning on a website just like me. Good luck.
It's her daughter's decision...and she already started. Hopefully the clinic will be thorough, the doctor good....and she will be fast tracked through the taper process...so that she doesn't stay on too long. I agree that Sub was not optimal for her situation...but it's up the her.
It's good that she's doing something to try to get clean. I'm sure the OP is just happy she is safe, and not using her DOC.
I'm anxious to follow this story...my fingers and toes and crossed for this young lady!
It's good that she's doing something to try to get clean. I'm sure the OP is just happy she is safe, and not using her DOC.
I'm anxious to follow this story...my fingers and toes and crossed for this young lady!
I completely agree. Suboxone is not a drug to avoid withdrawal. There is no worse withdrawal than maybe high dosage of Methadone than Suboxone. STAY AWAY FROM SUBOXONE!! THE WITHDRAWAL LASTS MONTHS!!!
Please do not start her on Suboxone. There is nothing worse to get off of than Suboxone. It took me 8 months to get off of. It will only be a couple of weeks and everything will be okay.
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