Tyro/b6--How to take

[maddogmmm]

I have read all of your posts about L-tyro and b6 etc. Thank you all for infomormation. My question is do you stop all the pain meds. before taking the L-tyro and b6, or do you overlap them. I am currently taking oxycontin 40mg 2x daily and lorcet 10/650 2 3x daily. Should I just go cold or what is the protocol? Sorry if my question is a little confusing. Thank you all in advance for any advice you can give me.----Your Friend----Michael

[skipper]

Michael:
for what ever my opinion is worth, i'ld get on the l-tyrosine
and B6, and stay on it. use of opiates strips the body of a lot
of what it needs to "manufacture" neuro-chemical transmiters. in
addition to the l-tyrosine/B6 i would add zink, magnesium, man-
ganese, copper and vitamen A.
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[maddogmmm]

Thanks skip---Do you meann stay on opiates too and wean off them after I have started l-tyro b6 and others? Sorry I can be pretty thick.

[hippy]

I have been reading this post for a week now. I was searching
for site like this for six months,well anyway thanks to everyone
and grace and strength to all.  
I am in the same boat as most,15 perc's a day . For the last year>. the two years before that i was taking 4 a day and switching to ultram for a week or two. My doctor stoped percs and the ultram a year ago. Then put me on ultracet only. My pain
in knee's was unmanagable, so i started getting percs at work
off one of the guys who worked for me.
It's a year later and i crossed a line into a real nasty ,out of controll addiction. Now it is not about getting high it is about
getting OK.tapering down has been useless. I am going to go cold turkey starting friday. I bought the vitamans and the imodimum
ect. I was also going to take MSM some sulfer vitaman i have had
good sucsess with for pain . ps i was clean 100% for 14 years
in na up untill 3 years ago. 2 rotator cuff operations

              so am i crazy. my wife is aware of everything.
              she has been clean for years

[confused.grl]

this is probably going to sound stupid but could somebody please tell me how to use the online chat that is attached to this forum. I have tried day and night for probably 2 months now what am i doing wrong.

[1fortheroad]

why would you think you are crazy?  you're just like any one of us, and i for one am not crazy (at the moment).  are you taking a bunch of percs still, or have you moved onto heroine?  i have heard that thomas' recipe has worked wonders for many people.  i tried it, and it didn't do it for me.  i have tried EVERYTHING.  now i'm doing the buprenex thing, but i dread the day i have to stop that.  some days i am more hopeful about success than others.  lots of people do it, so why shouldn't we be able to right?  willpower....must have more willpower.  i wish i could just be hypnotized into thinking i hate drugs...unfortunately i don't think there is any easy way.  i've heard many mixed reviews about "rapid detox" - plus it is ridiculously expensive.  i'll stick with what i'm doing, and see how it goes.  good luck to you - keep posting...it helps (me).

[maddogmmm]

So much for the original question I asked----WOW

[1fortheroad]

sorry, although i don't generally believe anyone here has to apologize for writing unless they are unkind to someone - i went off on a tangent...i tend to do that when i'm here.  

i think you can start taking them before or during.  after all, they are only vitamins and amino acids right?  i just have heard that you shouldn't take the l-tyrosine if you are taking an ssri antidepressant (like prozac). i asked the vitamin store owner about that and he said don't take tyro unless you are taking an mao inhibitor (like lithium) or something.  i am no doctor, so don't take this as fact...i'm just racking my tired brain here trying to come up with something useful for you.

[skipper]

maddog:
what i ment in my post above is get on the l-tyrosine/b6, zink,
manganese, magnesium, copper, and vitamen a as soon as possiable!
people who are taking opiates deplete the bodys supply of these
amino-acids, vitamins, & minnerals, which are key ingrediants in
manufactureing endorphans, dopimine, etc... so i've found that if
i take it every day, weather i'm using or detoxing it sure makes a huge difference, espically while detoxing!

as far as tapering...if you can do it. i've always found it incredably difficult to taper. the benefits of tapering are marginal for me. there is something to be said for stopping cold. i sometimes will take a very reduced dose of oxy-c (for me 20mg) the first night and no opiates there after. i can't say enough in favor of the nutritional supplements. i think, for me anyhow, that is what makes detoxing very "doable!"

hippy:
i was clean 17 years before an old injury to my neck came back to
literally tear my life to pieces. it's intresting to note what
pain changes in the addiction/recovery model.


hey both you guys, welcome to the forum! there will always be room *for just one more addict here!*

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[alchemist]

Can anyone please explain why detox is harder each time one goes through it, I've thought about it many times and find it to be true, but I can't come up with a logical reason why.

[skipper]

alchemist:
there is a concensus of opinion that detoxing gets progresively
worse each time you go through it. i'm not so sure about this. i
think it may seem worse as you become more familiar with what to
expect. in some ways it has become much easier for me. the first
real good w/d from an "oil burning sized habit" was much worse
than it is today. all sorts of variables like dose size, body
weight, attitude... they all seem to have affect on w/d. i do
believe a person can "learn" to minimise the horrors of w/d. my
attitude seems to dictate how bad a w/d will be. i've also dis-
covered the sooner i'm up exercising, the sooner i feel beter. i
don't mean lifting weights (although you could). things like brisk
short walks, maybe a bike ride. the only thing i have ever done
sitting around is lots of dope, so get up and get moving!!

all this stuff i just said is my opinion only. the important thing
about detoxing is to get going and see it through to the end!

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[maddogmmm]

Thanks Groovy and skipper---Thanks and good luck to all!!!--may GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU. I do beleive no matter what vitamins or system each one of choose that without his GRACE we won't make it. Thanks again---Your Friend----Michael

[maddogmmm]

Thanks Groovy and skipper---Thanks and good luck to all!!!--may GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU. I do beleive no matter what vitamins or system each one of choose that without his GRACE we won't make it. Thanks again---Your Friend----Michael

[Nod]

SCHLUB - are you out there?  How are you?  Please let us know!

Confused girl - good for you. You should hold your head up after doing that.  I for one would sure have trouble not tucking them away for "just in case."  Your surely on your way!  Keep it up
NOD

[RaspSwirl]

Hi everyone: ) I posted a couple of days ago, concerned about Vicodin withdrawal and some issues associated with it.  Glad to say, that today is my fifth day without it.  Although I am proud of myself for being so strong to get through it.  It was tough the first three days, but yesterday morning I felt like myself again.  Well, a glimpse anyway: )  My biggest ailment was the restlessness of my legs and arms. I just could not sit still. It was so frustrating and painful that I cried through Monday afternoon.: (  That tapered off, thankfully, and I went through the flu symptoms and all that fun stuff.  I wasn't able to eat until tonight, which, when my tummy started growling, I ate and ate and ate: )  I'm nautious right now but at least I ate: )  Happy about that!  Also happy that I'm doing allright.  Taking a little at a time, looking forward to tomorrow because I know what tomorrow is, a little bit better than today.  Each day I've looked forward to the relief of tomorrow.  : )

However...*sigh, there has to be a but...*  I'm out of my mind hyper. I'm shaking, as if I took way too many caffeine pills.  I went out for the first time tonight, all my friends noticed.  My eyes are so wide open, I can't seem to calm down.  I feel like running a marathon, if only I thought my legs could take it! : )Does anyone know how long this will last?  I haven't slept since Monday at 8 PM, and it's now Thursday morning, almost 5 AM.  I'm not tired.  I'm feeling loopie.  Sleep aids are no help, I tried high blood pressure pills, no good.  Any advice would help: )

The mental cravings are still there, but I've just looked the other way, the way that shows how far I have come and how hard I fought to be here now.  It's helping.  But...the shaking...arg!

[OxyDout]

CONGRATS!! thats awesome, you are doing incredible, now don't look back........don't let the mental cravings get a hold of you, its not worth it, nothing it worth this torture. I have to tell you today was the first day I'm feeling normal.  I was detoxing with methadone....I didn' take anything after 2pm yesterday so when I woke up i was wide awake, the birds were chirping, the sun was shining, it was so weird, I FELT NORMAL THIS MORNING!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the wood work

GWH

[confused.grl]

well today is the day, i am going for my surgery today. I posted a couple of day ago about someeone gave me oxy's for money i loaned them well in case anybody cares i flushed them screw the money, even though that was my rent money, oh well i will survive and now al least i dont have the guilt or drugs in my system. the only thing tat sucks is all the work i put in to stay sober, and now i will be taking the same drugs after my surgery that caused the problem to begin with.

[OxyDout]

don't use this surgery as an excuse to start taking all the drugs you get your hands on YOUR STRONGER THEN THAT, AND YOU HAVE WORKED TO DAMN HARD, DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!! YOU CAN DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO REALLY WANT IT OR YOUR GOING TO END UP ON THE SAME BEATEN PATH, STAY STRONG, GOOD LUCK AND TRY TO POST WHEN YOU CAN, WE ALL ARE HERE FOR YOU.

GWH

[vikequeen]

does anyone know if ultram helps with withdrawl coming off of vicodin and percocet? Please hurry and reply thanks kids love baddgirl

[1fortheroad]

i've heard varying opinions on it.  i've heard ultram comes with it's own set of addictive qualities, so be aware of that.  sometimes when i have questions i don't want to ask my dr. about, i call some pharmacies...sometimes you will get a nice, informed person who will answer your questions...sorry, i don't know more about it.

[OxyDout]

I don't know, but I do know that there are plenty of people in this forum because they are addicted to ULTRAM!!! so I don't think that is the best way to go........... anyone else??

[dive]

Be Careful with Ultram.  My girfriend is in pharmacy school (how convenient, Huh?), and she's been studying opiates lateley.  She told me that Ultram is a synthetic drug with opiate like qualities.  Although most people can't get high on ultram, it is physically addictive.  People who try to get off it, say the physically withdrawls are worse than that of Vicodin.  Don't swap one addiction for another.

DO NOT USE ULTRAM TO GET OFF VICODIN.  I tried it, it just prolongs the pain you must feel, to drop this addiction.  Yes, it releives withdrawl symptoms if you take enough, but they hit you just as hard, when the ultram is gone...

[GOD]

In regards to whether Ultram helps with withdrawl from opiates... YES it certainly does. you will have NO withdrawl symptoms, and if you take 3-4 at a time, you will be feeling just GREAT (Just like Percocet, or OXYs) at first. Unfortunately, Ultram itself is as addicting (OR MORE Addicting for me) than all the opiates. and what makes it worse is that is a relatively expensive drug. (About $1.50 per pill) I know that doesn't sound like much, but when your tolerance gets to the point that you need 30-40 per day JUST TO FEEL NORMAL it gets bad. Ultram is a real sneaky drug because at first you get that great euphoric feeling that you get from the opiate drugs, AND it lasts much longer (A good 6 hours or more). but within a week or 2, you don't get the good feelings no matter HOW much you take... but you HAVE to take it, because if you don't the withdrawls are very bad. becuase it is also an antidepressant, when you stop, you will become EXTREMELY depressed... All I've got to say is BE CAREFUL. the reason I found this board was that I was an ULTRAM addict. Hell, I STILL need to take it every day or I would go crazy. luckily, I function on 6 per day now which is the recommended max dose. My doctor thinks I'm crazy when I tell him I'm addicted... He just keeps re-filling the script, and says "If it helps with your nerve pain, and you don't have to be on Opiates, it can't hurt..."

Oh, well. I really wish I could get off this ****.

[RaspSwirl]

I'm not sure if it's this way with most people, or alot of people, but if I went on Ultram to detox from Vicodin or Oxy or codeine, I'd be so happy.  For me it caused the same feelings. Although I don't know if I'd be able to stop taking it.  I was very able to substitute Ultram for Vicodin when I was taking it.  The only difference I felt was that Ultram made me more sleepy.  Hope this helped: )

[lanas]

yes, ultram keeps w/d from hydrocodone away (at least for me); but you will have w/d from it as well. However, I don't get a high from it either, so it is an easier way to taper off. I do think the w/d are a little easier if you stop ultram cold turkey; but you will still have them (again, remember everyone is different).  But there is no doubt that Ultram is very addictive as well.  So, while I have used it as a way to taper off vicoprofen, it may not be the answer for everyone.  Hope this helps.