Suboxone Withdrawal? Quitting Subs Inpatient?

[GA_need_help]

I recently went through detox and rehab for Opana ER, which was long and very challenging. Now I am on 12 mg Suboxone a day taken in three doses of 4mg. I have just started to get what I think are withdrawal symptoms between dosing--muscles in my upper and mid-back tighten up and ache and I get a little anxious. I am wondering if other people experience the same thing, and what they have done about it.....Because of this I am considering detox again because after t he 4 month detox I did before going inpatient for the Opana detox I did 4 months of tapering at home. I just don't think I can taper again this soon. Since I have been on Suboxone for a month, and am so afraid of the intensity of the addiction that I don't want it to get worse.. I am very aware that few people have the option of going to rehab, and certainly not going twice in such a short time period. So I need to be very grateful. IF you were in my shoes do you think you would go to detox again, or would you stabilize at a higher dose (I have had to take an extra 5 mg. a day to get rid of the cravings and muscle pain), and then try tapering??? Do you know any other solutions to my problem???
Thanks so, so much, Marie

[eaw102]

hi my bf started on subatex 16mg, one dose a day, in 7 weeks he has tapered down to 8mg. His DOC was Heroin.
He has hardly felt anything apart from the odd flush and tummy ache.
I think with subs it would be better to taper thats what they are there for, to give you time to rebuild your life.
There is also a ceiling effect with subatex so it shouldnt matter if you increase the dose the effect is the same.
Maybe try taking it in one dose?
good luck though you are on the right path :)
take care

[GA_need_help]

The doctor at the place I detoxed from said I should be fine staying on them for a couple more months.  He doesn't understand the nature of sub addiction at all.  I hope the sub doctor I have faith in here in GA doesn't let me down tomorrow.  In order to not go to detox, I need a workable plan to taper here.  I am praying God will provide it.

Take Care.  I love you all. Thanks for sending the messages to me.  It means the world.

Marie

[ricart70]

Hi Marie
I believe in you.I think something inside is telling you to get off of these things and be clean for good.I for one,applaud that decision. I know some are saying stay on the sub which is already just torture and some saying to raise your dose even higher.What will that do/just get you in deeper.I reallt hope the best for you.  Sorry you are having such trouble.

[GA_need_help]

I had planned a slow taper with the subs, but when I started getting intense withdrawal symptoms between doses, I reconsidered.  I seem to have very little tolerance for withdrawal symptoms after my very long taper.  I am feeling like it is crazy, but I need to go and get that kind of support.

Big Hug,
Marie

[Addicted2long]

I think your thinking about this all way too much.sub isn't close to as bad as opana to taper and wd from. Don't u think u should at least give it a try before spending a ton of money in rehab again. You can't escape wd its going to happen one way or another. Uve only been on it a month so it won't be too bad. I do not recommend just jumping at 12mg then u will feel like **** for 2 weeks. If u slowly taper like ur suppose to it will be pretty painless. If u read too much online u get misrepresentatin of sub and how it works. Trust me its not too bad to come off if u go slowly. U should get down to 1mg or even. 5mg before u jump. I don't know what rehab is going to do for u that u can't just do for yourself at home. Pump u full of a ton of new drugs maybe..I Duno..u just don't see a valid reason to go to rehab again. Your life tho

[GA_need_help]

Gunn, yes I always seem to think about the issue too much.   It is pretty important that I know what my relationship with Suboxone is because I am about to leave my sweet daughter, husband and home to go into treatment.  I don't know how all the people that have tapered from Subs have done it.  But then, I am so tired about detoxing from Opana.  I haven't quiet gotten my second wind.  So it look like I am going to tx for being on 12 mg of
subs for a month.  It is super weird to go to detox twice, but I don't think I can do this on my own.  Thanks for writing Gunn, Marie

[gunn73]

Hi Marie,
may be u r thinking too much about all of it. stop worrying and stay on course. one day at a time.
it ll start getting better. sub is not as fast acting as opiates and also not as strong. it has two ingredients i.e. buprenorphine which is a partial antagonist which really helps during detox it helps with the w/ds, 2nd is naloxone which is there to cut the euphoric effect one gets from opiates.

[GA_need_help]

I just read something that says if I give myself a dose too soon, withdrawal symptoms can happen.   Has anyone heard of this? Thanks, M

[GA_need_help]

Yes, actually it is sickening.  I am just so tired of tapering myself after my LONG taper with Opana.  Going back is the last thing I want to do, but I am not sure I see another option unless my body decides it isn't going to have cravings and muscle pain between doses (like I am going into withdrawals).

I am blessed we can afford it.  I don't like wasting the $, but when I read about how many people are struggling, I get super scared of the drug.

Thanks,
Marie

[Ballgame]

This just seems like a lot of detox. I remember your detox from opana. This doesn't seem right to me. Can you afford to back into rehab with money and work? I wish you luck.

[Addicted2long]

I agree it is much much easier to get clean in rehab. Im surpirsed that u aren't stabilized at 16mg a day for a month. Most people don't need much sub at all its very very strong I remember when I came off opana I was iving about 15 10mg IRS a day and i went to 8mg. And now I'm holding on 4mg after 2 years of heroin. Are u getting strips or pills? Strips work much better. Are u keeping them under ur tongue for 15-20 mins? I also recommend that u dose once a day.  Sub lasts easily thru the next day most ppl on it can skip a day and not even notice. Try taking in the Am rememver when and if u take at night when ur sleeping ur body detoxifys itself much faster and gets rid of all toxins. That's why we pee more at night and wake up alot to.well I wish u the best.  Take care

[ricart70]

I would go for it then.I know what you mean by withdrawal making you stronger and the long taper was just torture I am sure.I think it really is easier to get clean in a rehab environment but it seems like in the last few years rehab has turned from a safe place to get clean into a place where they just switch addictions and make you comfortable and pocket the money.   I know you can do it   and am really rooting for you.   You will feel better when you have left all of this behind.It may take a month but it will be worth it.

[Elmijack15]

Hey Marie, check your inbox I always mess up with the posts and inbox hang in there!

[GA_need_help]

Thanks for your replies on this topic and my previous one.  I really appreciate all the help.  Marie

[GA_need_help]

It does ricart.  I will also face the pain that led to the slippery slope in my recovery.  I had 10 years clean in AA before the back pain and struggles with pain.  I think I am mentally tougher after I have gone through the ringer with opiates, and now these subs.
Thanks, Marie

[ricart70]

If going to rehab means that you will get off of all opiates and end this addiction then by all means that is probably the best thing you could ever do.

[GA_need_help]

Let me mention I am going to call my doctor and get an appointment on tomorrow.  I don't know what else he could suggest, since I have read all the posts of what people on Medhelp are doing to quit Suboxone.  My doctor won't prescribe benzos.  I don't want to take benzos on my own.  Besides that I really can't imagine what my Sub doctor could suggest.  But,I am very receptive to whatever he suggests.  I am afraid that he, like most other doctors, has no idea how strong Subs really are.
Thanks for reading this, and offering your support.
Marie

[Elmijack15]

I would call or see your doctor and see what they recommend. I don't know if I would go right back to rehab. Check out what other options your doctor has for you.