I posted earlier about some unusual experiences with sub but didn't give any details. My doc recommended me take either 4mg or 8 to start. I was in mild WDs, so I said I'll take 8 to make sure it would get me off those. He agreed, and said if i need more two hours later, take another. Anyway, to make a long story short, I ended up extremely sick the next day. I talked to three professionals and got three different opinions, but apparently my doc was right: I had taken too much (he actually said I overdosed!). I had actually taken a total of 24 mgs within less than 24 hours, and that was not good. Anyway, I took 4 mg this morning and that seems to be the perfect dosage. I've felt great all day. Has anyone ever detoxed off subs? Is it milder than off vicodin? I hope so. I'd like to wean myself off this fairly soon. It seems encouraging to me that I can start on 4 mgs and that's enough. I was taking 8-10 (7.5mg) hydrocodone daily before the subs.