Young child - Blacking out in rage

[MBR232]

I have a now (5) year old daughter. This issue has ALWAYS existed with her, but Im upset that its not fading away. She has random fits of rage over stuff like when we discipline by taking something away.. that tend to get so severe it appears as though shes completely blacked out. Its a giant psychotic fit and it appears as though she is not even conscious, she is freaking out that badly. She has a younger sister with a complete opposite personality. Her younger sister is 3 and I dont think shes had a hateful thought in her life. The 5 year old, however, ALL day long is following her like a hawk tormenting her making sure she cant touch any of her things or anything.
Dont get me wrong... we are big on discipline in my house! The only thing is that after 5 years, its not disappearing at all. I brought her to a homropathic doctor who gave her a drink of a drink called stramonium or something ( its supposed to fix an imbalance in the central nerve system that causes rage) .. it worked immediately and lasted for about 3 months. But now its back to constant rage mode. She constantly throughout the day does this weird impulse to anything her sister, or even our dog does where she will bite her lower lip out of frustration and pinch the hell out of her sister or the dog. This never goes unpunished, but it never stops the problem from happening again. The blacking out fits only happens once every month or so.. but theyre BAD. Can anyone shed some advice?  

[Sandman2]

  If your doctor is Shiva Barton, I find nothing that says he ever went through a medical school or is a pediatrician.  All the references say that, "
Biography

Dr. Shiva Barton, ND, LICAC is a Acupuncturist (Alternative Medicine), Naturopath (Alternative Medicine) practicing in Winchester, MA.

  Not that any of that matters now - except for possibly wasted time.  You need to see a real doctor.

[MBR232]

This is their page. http://winchesternaturalhealth.com/?page_id=16

[specialmom]

That is good.  Some of these guys are not trained.  I'm curious---  what kind of training and from whom?  

I only ask because my mother in law was very into homeopathy.  She was ahead of her time.  She, in fact, owned a business specializing in it.  The issue always was sources.  That whole area of 'medicine' is very unregulated and you can get different information on the same topic.  It was confusing.

In the end, she got cancer and also went to an MD who practiced natural medicine.  She also saw a regular oncologist.  I think it gave her peace of mind to see the natural homeopathy doctor after so many years of being a strong believer.  

One of the things she drilled into my head though is that whether natural or not, it is still medicine with benefits and side effects.  People often don't take into account that they are ingesting things that wont just help their symptoms of a disorder (possibly) but also can have side effects.  you have to be careful.  And the issue with all of that type of stuff is the lack of regulation or anyone overseeing them.

So, just be careful with your child is all.  

good luck

[MBR232]

I was skeptical at first too. I did a lot of research before choosing my homeopathic doctor. He is a regular fully licensed pediatrician who did in an additional 10 years of school to learn about organic alternatives.

[specialmom]

I would be very careful with such herbs.  Just because something is 'natural' doesn't mean it is safe.  I would only take my child to a licensed medical doctor.  Even if you are for natural medicine, there are primary care doctors that will help you with that rather than someone who may or may not have the full degrees to make recommendations for your child.  

I agree that an evaluation sounds worthy.  good luck

[Stacey_80]

I think it will be best to have her checked by a child psychologist. It is best that issues such as this are immediately addressed as it will become more difficult as she goes older.

[jleeflcntrygrl]

I agree with mark. She needs to be evaluated.

[Sandman2]

  And what was the simple natural herb.  I googled the heck out of it, and all I could come up with was, "Jimson weed, Devil's snare or datura, is a plant in the Solanaceae (nightshade) family."  Which is (to me) kind of a scary natural herb.
   Oh, do you think that she has ADHD?  Have you looked up the symptoms for ADHD.  What you mentioned above are not any of the classic symptoms, but I can give you a link to the specific ones.

[MBR232]

Thank you, yes.. there are no complex ingredients to the drink. Its homeopathic so it is a simple natural herb. It worked great for a short while. It is supposed to be what people use to naturally cure ADD/ADHD symptoms too, the natural way with no side effects. I just wish it lasted longer.

[Sandman2]

   I am guessing that the blacking out is due to her getting so worked up that she hyperventilates, and blacks out.   I think that it might be time to get an opinion of someone other than a homopathic doctor who doped her up.  Did you ever check out the ingredients in that drink?  The problem with just meds is that all you are doing is masking the problem and the solution.
  I am including a link where we dealt with a very angry child.  I think that you will find lots of useful information here. You want to carefully read the last 3 posts on the page from Specialmom and myself.  Hope this will help.
      http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Child-Behavior/my-4-year-old-is-out-of-control-what-do-i-do/show/2023048

[MarkLakewood3367]

Yes.  Have her evaluated by a mental health professional ASAP.  This can be a significant and complicated issue as many things could be triggering this behavior, especially if the discipline imposed has done little to change the behavior.  You might even want to first have her evaluated by her pediatrician to determine if there are any medical issues that could be contributing to this behavior and go from there.  It is best to address these issues now while she is young as these behaviors are likely to worsen as she gets older.