There were originally three different bills introduced, one of which was a stand alone 20 week ban. They got arrogant and greedy (see above -- "Sen. Dan Patrick, the Houston tea partier, could barely contain his disgust with the leadership. A Republican governor, a Republican Lt. Gov, large GOP majorities in both the House and Senate—how could these pro-life bills come down to the wire?") and tried to shut down the clinics by linking the two issues.
This is one reason moderate Republicans and independents distrust the the Tea Party and the GOP establishment. A long established pattern of using brute force and sneak tactics to steamroll over a more centrist agenda.
So a person can't make a decision to have an abortion before 20 weeks? It takes that long? You do know a baby born at 22 weeks has a better chance to live then die right? THIS IS NOT ABOUT BANNING ABORTION.
Give me a break. This is not about rape this is about killing of a life that can live outside the body.
And why not go back and reread my statement, it was in the hopes that the liberals will be honest for once.
Mike the only one who is angry is you.
I'm wondering the same thing.
Why else would he be so angry?
Do you have a clue what it feels like for someone to push their manparts in between your legs, leave you with a watermelon inside whether you liked it or not, or whether you consented or not, and then have your government tell you tuff titty, on top of being controlled by this idiot that the government now wants to control and tell you what, when, how, where and why you have no longer got any right to handle things as you feel the need unless they approve?
Ever been raped twice! Tell me how it feels?
"So regardless of the majority wanting something, the republican gov went ahead and did what he wanted to do regardless? Dictatorship?"
Does this statement hold true for other things rammed down the throat of people(Obamacare)? Or maybe some Executive Orders recently signed???
I just think that putting into bills things like abortion being legal at 20 weeks and beyond will turn a lot of on the fence pro choice people to the other way. It becomes all or nothing then on both sides. Scary thought for the issue in either direction. No abortion/bad. Free for all abortion/bad.
I think it was Arkansas in 2013 that just passed the fetal personhood bill? Well Im not SURE they passed it but I do know they are trying to. This is where it ends up if people don't speak out. A complete loss of rights and tha tIs my feeling of what the states are up to. Without the consent of the people and behind closed door sessions while the people are diverted elsewhere. That is my beef. We fought hard to get rights and no one should just decide they shouldn't exist.....And unfortunately it now has to be fought on a state by state basis. Then when they get that accomplished, they can have the supremes overturn roe.
I am the same as you. Not a big fan of abortion but believe a woman has a right to choose and should never feel bad for doing so. But . . . once it gets to the point of 20 weeks------- my feelings change. That is too far along for a convenience abortion in my opinion. When reading the above, that was what it looked like to me, that now it is legal in Texas to have an abortion after 20 weeks. This was why I was surprised that anyone would go along with that.
I too had thought abortion in this country was up to 3 months for a general abortion of choice (rather than medically necessary). That 20 week issue works for me to cause a diversion as it is hard for me to get past.
I am not sure what the cut off times for any given situation, last I heard late term abortion is not legal other than special circumstances. The norm last I knew was at about 3 months in general but would have to look up the laws on it to be sure.
While I am not an advocate of abortion, I am an advocate of a person having a right to choose and a right to a safe medical facility in order to do it. And yes, I do think the politicians raise emotional issues in order to get their cause, and it has not failed as yet, it is still up for special session. Its simply underhanded tactics just like the one to defund planned parenthood. It is but another in a string of trying to overturn abortion altogether and to understand that you would have to go back and see what the individual states have been doing over the course of the last 4-6 years.
I have not had the chance to read the actual bill being presented but can pretty much guarantee there will be other (losses) covered up by the 20 week statement and all the hoopla surrounding it. Simply a diversion to not see the rest I bet.
So you think the part about abortion being unavailable after 20 weeks was put in there to get more support for the other things? Because almost everyone would think abortion after 20 weeks is gross (it is unless medically necessary) so the other things would pass with that? Interesting tactic and risky as the bill failed and now they have abortions happening at 20 weeks and beyond. YUCK! I just can't believe any state has abortions for convenience (non medical reasons) at 20 weeks or after available. I thought it was always first trimester. I could possibly go to 16 weeks to give a woman a bit more time but after that, it's just not as simple of a procedure.
My son's best buddies are twins that were born at 23 weeks! They are on the same baseball team together!
Well I think personally that this is exactly why the 20 weeks is put on there. I don't think this is the norm anyways nor has it been but it does make a good argument which is what it is intended to do. It is the other things they are doing that gets my attention. By the time they get done advocating the clinic thing, it will leave 5 facilities in the whole state available, and that is disturbing. The 20 week thing is put in there for ease of getting it passed is all. imo
I think it is horrible that abortion is legal there after 20 weeks for non medical reasons. That is really disturbing.
Phenomenal! Wow! Great Job Wendy! Now if Perry does call a special session, the cameras and the people will be on hand for that as well! I think this is awesome!
Also, the ruling that Sen. Wendy Davis' discussion of sonograms was non-germane, was totally bogus. Unlike Washington filibusters, she was required to stay on topic, and did.
Texas abortion bill fails to pass after epic filibuster
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/25/19140887-texas-abortion-bill-fails-to-pass-after-epic-filibuster?lite
"A bill that opponents claimed would virtually ban abortion in Texas failed to pass late Tuesday after lawmakers missed a deadline by just minutes.
There were chaotic scenes after a filibuster attempt fell just short and protesters cheered, clapped and shouted for the final 15 minutes as lawmakers tried to hold the vote before the session ended at midnight (1 a.m. ET)
The filibuster by Sen. Wendy Davis, D-Fort Worth, lasted more than 10 hours but ended after three challenges to her speech were upheld.
The only way Democrats in the Republican-controlled Senate could defeat the measure was by not letting it come to a vote on Tuesday.
Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, acting as Senate president, initially said the voting began just before midnight, NBCDFW.com reported, and several reports suggested that the bill had been passed and would go to Gov. Rick Perry.
Dewhurst later announced that the vote had been held too late.
At 3 a.m. local time (4 a.m. ET), he said that the session had expired and the bill could not be “signed in the presence of the Senate … and therefore cannot be enrolled.”
“It’s been fun, but see you soon,” he added.
Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, had said that if the bill passed “abortion would be virtually banned in the state of Texas, and many women could be forced to resort to dangerous and unsafe measures.”
She celebrated victory on her Twitter account early Wednesday.
“Lt. Gov. Dewhurst has agreed that #SB5 [the bill] is dead. The official vote was recorded at 12:03 a.m. Know why? Because of you. #StandWithWendy,” she wrote. “We have started something here that they cannot stop. Thank y'all.”
The measure would have banned abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy and would have required all clinics to be graded as surgical centers, with all doctors required to have admitting privileges at hospitals. It's estimated that nearly all of the state's clinics wouldn't have been able to meet the new standards.
Unlike during famous filibusters in Washington, D.C., when senators talked about anything that came to mind to fill the time, Davis was required to speak nonstop and on topic without sitting down or even leaning on her desk for support.
She read the stories of witnesses those who didn't get to speak before a Senate committee discussing the measure last week, before moving on to analyzing the bill itself, the Dallas Morning News reported.
But Republicans won rulings that Davis broke the rules - for getting improper assistance from a colleague who helped her adjust her back brace and for straying from the topic.
In a show of support for Davis, President Barack Obama tweeted Tuesday night: "Something special is happening in Austin tonight. #StandWithWendy"
But then, late Tuesday night, Davis ran afoul of a three-strikes-and-you're-out rule when Dewhurst upheld an objection that she had strayed from the topic again, this time by discussing a 2011 law involving sonograms and abortions, which he ruled was non-germane to the abortion bill.
That opened the door for the Senate's Republican majority to call for a straight up-or-down vote to end Davis' remarks. A series of motions, appeals and parliamentary inquiries on that order followed.
As midnight neared, raucous cheering and shouts erupted from the gallery during a roll call vote.
The disruption - seen on a live video stream of the session - halted Senate action for several minutes."
Well that was an epic circus.
I watched the last hour and a half on liivestream and had no idea what had happened by midnight.
The thing ended with the Senate President (Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst) trying to talk over Senator Leticia Van de Putte and her asking, "“At what point must a female senator raise her voice or her hand to be recognized over her male colleagues in the room?” The gallery erupted in cheers for the last 10 minutes and the vote couldn't be taken.
Not pretty, but neither was anything that was done in the last six days by our so called representatives.
There's a bumper sticker you see here on both Democrat's and Republican's cars that's a play on the Texas anti-litter slogan 'Don't Mess With Texas' :
'Don't Mess With Texas Women'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q8Hr0O20LY
I think we the people need to speak with one voice in 2014 and vote every single person out who is in office regardless of party affiliation and send a no nonsense message that we aint gonna take it anymore and united we stand! That be what I think!
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So regardless of the majority wanting something, the republican gov went ahead and did what he wanted to do regardless? Dictatorship? Is he gerrymandered in? I think we the people need to speak with one voice in 2014 and vote every single person out who is in office regardless of party affiliation and send a no nonsense message that we aint gonna take it anymore and united we stand! That be what I think!
I agree that in a perfect world a woman should be able to decide before 20 weeks whether or not to have an abortion. In that same perfect world there would be no need for abortion because people would be so well educated and contraception would be so foolproof and readily available that there would be no unwanted pregnancies. I am not particularly 'pro-abortion'. But until we get that perfect world, I stand with a woman's right to choose.
The requirement that clinics become "ambulatory surgical care centers"would close all but 5 clinics. In a state the size of Texas this would effectively deny access to most women in rural areas.
At issue is the non-representative way with which this is being dealt, from Perry's calling of the special session against the will of the people, to the continuing schemes of the Lt. Governor.
http://www.texasobserver.org/anti-abortion-bill-close-to-defeat/
"...For some reason, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst brought everyone back for a second vote on suspending the rules to take up SB 5. The motion failed 19-10. It is expected that SB 5 will be taken up tomorrow when the rule requiring a bill to lay out for 24 hours will have been met. A simple majority could pass the legislation. However, it is expected that Sen. Wendy Davis (D-Fort Worth) will mount a filibuster that could last up to 13 hours.
Original story: Although the live video feed for the Texas Senate showed little apparent action on the floor today, the behind-the-scenes machinations over harsh anti-abortion legislation have been intense. The key question was whether Senate Bill 5, which would ban abortions after 20 weeks and impose strict measures that could close all but five of the state’s abortion facilities, would clear a procedural vote that requires a two-thirds majority. The session ends tomorrow at 11:59 p.m. But Republicans wanted to vote today in order to avoid a filibuster tomorrow that would last no more than 13 hours. So far, they’ve failed and SB 5 is in jeopardy.
Things changed minute to minute as the upper chamber raced against the clock.
The drama culminated with a late afternoon vote split on party lines, 19-11, one vote shy of what the GOP needed to advance the legislation.
The Senate will return at 7 p.m., the same hour that a rosary is scheduled for Van de Putte’s father. Democrats predicted that the bill will be taken up tomorrow when a simple majority is required. Sen. Wendy Davis (D-Fort Worth) has promised to filibuster SB 5, which would force Gov. Rick Perry to decide whether to call another special session. (Many fashionistas noticed that she was wearing pumps, not her omnipresent high heels today.)
The bill’s failure—although there were no bizarre comments about rape kits—was an embarrassment for Dewhurst. Finger-pointing commenced right away. Lt. Gov. Dewhurst blamed the House for failing to get a bill over in time to avoid a filibuster, though he hastened to add, “I’m not playing the blame game at all.”
Sen. Dan Patrick, the Houston tea partier, could barely contain his disgust with the leadership. A Republican governor, a Republican Lt. Gov, large GOP majorities in both the House and Senate—how could these pro-life bills come down to the wire? “It’s clear,” he said, that we’re “flying a little bit by the seat of our pants.”
Asked if he thought Perry should’ve added abortion to the special session agenda earlier, he said, “I’m not going to second-guess the governor.”
The sense of a rudderless state government was evident—almost comically so—from the get-go. Sen. Kevin Eltife (R-Tyler) was off somewhere and it was rumored that Dewhurst had dispatched a plane to pick him up. (In fact, Eltife took a charter plane to Austin from an undisclosed location; he looked suspiciously tan.)
Meanwhile, Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, a San Antonio Democrat, was absent due to her father’s death, forcing Dewhurst to decide whether to march ahead while Van de Putte grieved. Initially, it seemed that if he went that unseemly route, SB 5 would have the votes to pass. However, Sen. Eddie Lucio, a Valley Democrat who is staunchly anti-abortion, announced later that he wouldn’t vote with the Republicans until Van de Putte was back in the Senate.
This is your democracy, folks. Tune back in at 7 p.m. for more."
Good for Sen. Eddie Lucio.
Hm. People like abortions after 20 weeks here? Unless it is medically necessary for the mother or a situation involving some serious issues with the growing baby, I would have a hard time supporting that. My kids were moving by then!!
I have mixed feelings on plan B but there are so many completely irresponsible people having sex that plan B could actually be the most responsible thing they did . . . so, I don't think it should be restricted. This is a huge thing for me to agree to as I've always believed in parental consent. But I see that young people won't get birth control or plan B if their parents are involved sometimes so, with mixed emotions, I say okay to this type of thing.
Is an abortion a bit surgical? It IS invasive. It CAN have complications. What does it change to call clinics a surgical center? I'm not sure how that one causes controversy as there must be something I'm unaware of in terms of why that one causes people to balk.
Anyway, if it is all 'secret' and the people of Texas disagree with this type of legislation, it should be illegal to push it through behind their backs. I vote in people who may legislate a certain way but not to 'trick' the public or whatever it appears is happening (or people tried to make happen) in Texas.
Despite 80% of the people not wanting this decided during special session the Texas House State Affairs Committee approved abortion bills HB16, HB60 and SB 5 Friday afternoon.
I hope this can be blocked next week. If not, I hope it comes back to bite them all next election.
" Only 34 percent of people polled said they trust Perry and the legislature to make decisions about women's health care."
I would be proud too.
I think it would be great if everyone followed suit in their States when they try these sneaky sessions.
It takes some organizing, but would it not be lovely if they had to face a crowd of protesters every time they tried to pull a fast one?
Now that is an America I could be proud of!
LOVE IT!....People need to speak up more against these ridiculous legislation's the right TRIES to pass and get away with..Unfortunately this will pass and the only way to get this oveturned would be to vote his a$$ and many like him OUT.....