Thyroid Levels Up and Exercise

[Reklak070106]

Does anyone know if getting blood levels taken shortly after intense crossfit routines would show increased thyroid levels.

[gymdandee]

Pax. What don't you understand? You stated the quote below and I stated
Consumer Labs lists all the negative things in the products and the amounts! They also list all the ingredients and if it's up to the proper amount.  Now do you understand? As for the Creatine you stated   Bodybuilding supplements and creatine is one that works!


FALSE STATEMENT,  "But consumer labs doesn't tell you if the product itself is designed properly or is healthy to use or not or has any traditional use to back it up". Consumer Labs lists all the negative things in the products and the amounts! They also list all the ingredients and if it's up to the proper amount.  

[Paxiled]

Gym, you make no sense at all.  I can't get you to stop this.  You just confirmed everything I said about Consumer Labs, then said I made a false statement.  Then you went off on creatine, which isn't up for discussion anywhere, though it is clear using too much is harmful and no consensus that using it does anything.  But I don't really know if it works or not, I do know the people I sold it to thought it did.  I saw the studies as well.  But again, it hasn't been mentioned anywhere in this discussion, so I don't understand where you're coming from or what you're trying to argue.  Creatine also isn't a traditional or natural product -- it's a pharmaceutical product.  Though it occurs naturally in the body, it doesn't occur naturally in the world in isolation.  Many "natural" products aren't the traditional plant remedies or other modalities people have used for centuries, but are substances isolated by pharmaceutical companies and used in medicine for various purposes until a drug comes along that can be patented.  Tryptophan is an example of that -- it only exists in nature as one among many substances in foods, but it was isolated by pharmaceutical companies and used as a relaxant until products were invented that were much stronger and could be patented.  Even when the FDA banned tryptophan because of one bad batch from one lab, you could still get it from a doctor by prescription.  Creatine isn't a natural product when isolated from food and taken by itself, though it does occur naturally in nature and therefore can't be patented.  As for it being one of the most popular nutritional supplements of all time, all time goes back to the beginning of human beings.  Aspirin, a substance found in white willow bark, has been used at least since the ancient Greeks.  Herbal supplements have been used since prehistory.  Creatine has been used for a very short period by a very small number of people compared to the number of people in the world, most of whom use supplements but not creatine.  So where do you get that from?   Again, you have stated no misstatements by me, and you have resorted to insulting me because for some reason you feel you need to do that from time to time.  Now, let's stop hijacking this thread -- we've had more than our say, let the readers, if there any, decide.  Sigh.

[gymdandee]

FALSE STATEMENT,  "But consumer labs doesn't tell you if the product itself is designed properly or is healthy to use or not or has any traditional use to back it up". Consumer Labs lists all the negative things in the products and the amounts! They also list all the ingredients and if it's up to the proper amount.  

Creatine
One of the most popular nutritional supplements of all time, creatine is used to fuel energy in the muscles, primarily for high-intensity, short-duration exercise such as sprinting and lifting weights. It may help you work out harder and longer, and recover faster. And when used during resistance training, creatine has been shown to increase total body and lean body mass. Of the 300 or so studies that have investigated creatine for its ability to enhance athletic performance, about 70 percent have found statistically significant gains. Look I could keep listing but you know it all by making FALSE statements without first checking the facts.
Apparently Pax. you're interested! Just don't post false statements!!

[Paxiled]

Gym, besides your previous post not making any sense at all, and besides you not saying what statements I made that were false, as is your habit, why would you even think to question my ability as a student?  That's just insulting people, trolling.  Why do you do that?  Actually, I attended some of the top schools in the country and was near the top of my class at every level of education, and I have three degrees.  I'm phi beta kappa, order of the coif, all that stuff.  But so what?  If I hadn't done so well at school, would that make a difference?  Would it justify insulting people? Just say your piece and leave it alone, Gym -- nobody's interested in this kind of thing.

[Paxiled]

Passing a consumer labs test is a useful thing, no question, but just because the label is correct on the one batch checked by consumer labs doesn't mean the next batch will match or the previous batch matched.  But a certain degree of variation is okay, and consumer labs doesn't usually tell you that -- pharmaceutical products are allowed a certain percentage of variation without falling into violation.  But consumer labs doesn't tell you if the product itself is designed properly or is healthy to use or not or has any traditional use to back it up.  Bodybuilding supplements in general are an odd category in "natural" supplement use because their main purpose isn't health, it's bigger muscles or greater endurance.  There's no health benefit in this, it's just vanity, which doesn't make it inherently bad, it just makes it different.  Real health foods stores didn't sell these kinds of products until Whole Foods cut into their grocery sales and GNC and the original owner of Vitamin Shoppes sold his company and customers started wanting us to sell these products.  Our owners didn't get into the business to do this -- they got into it to offer healthier food for the most part and to sell more environmentally friendly products, but found they had to sell supplements for their higher margins to subsidize the grocery business -- in those days, there wasn't much money in health foods.  That it turned into a profitable business was a shock to them, they were a bunch of 60's folks trying to do a good thing and found themselves in business.  Whole Foods started that way, too, but turned into a monopolist and changed the industry.  GNC also changed the industry with the help of The Arnold, who started a magazine industry to promote athletic supplements and steroids.  If you know this history, you'll see how the two businesses developed quite differently, and GNC never had as its mission your health -- it was always from the beginning a corporate enterprise.  That's why within the industry it had a horrible reputation.  Now, it's just one of many websites and chains offering the promise of big muscles with no consequences.  Again, it's okay for anyone to buy what they want as long as they know what they're getting, and when things go wrong, they'll know the probably reason.  Most people fly blind.  So because consumer labs finds the label accurate doesn't say the product is formulated to be good for you or uses the best ingredients or combines them so that you're taking them at the proper time (with a meal or without, for example -- most bodybuilding supplements combine the two and they don't work well that way).  As for me managing a health food store, I managed four of them for 18 years, which certainly doesn't make me an expert and I don't pose as one but gives me a pretty good sense of when a claim is bogus or not.  Remember, these guys who do formulate these products had to get by me to get into the store, so I had to learn what was going on as best as I could -- my formal training was as a political scientist, writer, and lawyer, which gave me no leg up but did teach me how to learn and how to not be easily persuaded.  And I hope that's the end of this once and for all.  Peace.

[gymdandee]

You don't know what you're talking about!! If you don't subscribe to the Co. Then don't make statements that are false! You have a problem!
Apparently you weren't a good student.

[Paxiled]

To anyone with suspected thyroid problems, read LightSeeker's answer and remember it.  Doctors seldom do accurate thyroid tests, and almost never inform the patient of the close connection between the adrenals and the thyroid.  That's why I asked if the poster takes workout supplements, as many of them will target the adrenals and the thyroid without the person knowing it if they don't know their supplements well.  It's even worse if you buy from websites or from GNC, as there are often ingredients not listed on the labels.  On the other hand, levels vary on a regular basis in everyone, so momentary spikes aren't an issue -- only chronic imbalances are a problem.  

[specialmom]

This was like a math word problem.  :>)  

Why do you ask?  Are you having an issue with this?  

[gymdandee]

TSH will respond to exercise!

[TheLightSeeker]

Up to 90% of max heart rate, T4,Free T4 and TSH will keep increasing, while T3 and free T3 will decline, mainly because a correcting mechanism converts T4 to reverse T3 (a negativeT3 value) in order to keep things under control.
Has to do with the adrenals.
Unfortunately, doctors rarely look at this, leaving most patients in limbo,
because they rely mostly onTSH and
T4 test results..
If this is the case for you, ask your doctor to order Free T3, Free T4
and Reverse T3 and refrain from exercise the day of the test, so your results will be accurate for thyroid function.
Cheers,
Niko

[Paxiled]

Take any supplements that might contain iodine or substances that stimulate the adrenals?