Teak - explain this please? - oral/HIV

[JasonAmmes1988]

Sorry,

I know ive been here a while and have recently got a 6 week negative antibody test after oral sex with a man with no ejaculation - do you think i can 100% move on?

I really shouldnt, but i have been looking to the net and i found this study

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13-eng.php

here is a quote which has got me worried again -

"In a laboratory study designed to explore the oral transmission of HIV by seminal fluid and colostrum, normal donor samples of human milk, colostrum, seminal fluid and blood were separately combined with samples of saliva and HIV-infected white blood cells. All samples, in normal physiologic volumes, prevented saliva from inactivating the HIV-infected blood cells, leading the researchers to conclude that successful oral transmission of HIV by seminal fluid, milk and colostrum may occur"

can you please explain why you still think oral  is no risk?

please, i know that you will prob just want to say NO RISK, or MOVE ON or threaten to ban, but please can you explain why you think this is wrong?

[Teak]

Move on.

[Teak]

We're done with this discussion. At no time were you ever at risk. Move on.  

[CMART05]

there is ALWAYS a risk with anything you do. Whether it be a small, medium, or big risk it's always there.

You can not 100% move on until you seek mental help. Obviously, people have told you and reassured you that you should be OK. Tell your doctor you're still worried and you're having anxiety because of it.

It's that simple

[JasonAmmes1988]

and i also suppose that the canadian study doesnt take into account air and oxygen which is alwyas present in the mouth?

[JasonAmmes1988]

ok, but no study can be discredited..

so can i 100% move on from this 6 week antibody negative???

do i not need further testing???

i know you know more than most Teak and Vance2335 but sometimes anxiety gets the better of us and we dont listen!

after i get a proper answer i will not return to this site and will hopefully get on with my life

if oral sex is truly no risk, do you think people like CDC and NHS will ever stop saying it is a risk? - because that fuels peoples anxiety

Thankyou

[Vance2335]

Search out the SF Study done by the SF clinic and the Spain study where no one got HIV from oral sex. The Spain study was a 10 year study with couples (one - and one +)over 19,000 acts of oral sex took place. Guess what...no transmission of HIV.



Your looking to Canada to give you medical info...come on.

[Teak]

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Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

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Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

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[JasonAmmes1988]

so are you saying this study is wrong?

i want to be content with my 6 week result but even if there is the smallest of risks, then i will need a 12 week result, no?

do you not find this study reliable?

im not trying to critise you, just maybe you havnt seen this study and therefore arnt taking into account all possibiities -

[Teak]

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[JasonAmmes1988]

can someonr with knowledge please look at this?