My inquiring mind would still like to know what this person is using. I have pm'd them and hopefully I will hear back . It may be nothing but I still want the information.
Several people have contacted me off line to tell me they have been using Hepatitis Technologies products and are having the same good results that Joe has. It doesn't change your viral load but it has a really good chance of giving you a more functional liver and protects from more damage. They don't want to deal with any scorn or persecution so they won't tell about it on Medhelp...what a shame. I don't enjoy the conflict either but my heart hurts for the non-responders.
The problem with some of the natural products that can lower viral load is that they can also increase inflammation which could lead to more fibrosis/scarring.. For those who respond marginally, starting with a lower viral load could have some benefit. I too would prefer for Joe to start with the lower number but not at the cost of more damage.
I know someone who has had a similar drop by using the blueberry leaf extract purchased from a person that most of us don't trust...me included. He is the only one that carries the variety described in the study showing a viral reduction. This person knows there is some risk to using this but they relapsed after Tx and are hoping to start with a lower starting number next time. I didn't decide to buy the blueberry product ,as of yet,but I'm still glad to know about it and will watch this persons progress.
I wouldn't want this to go on and on like some of the threads debating this issue have, because I am needing to spend my time elsewhere right now. I won't argue for the freedom of discussion every time I see a post I don't like. I just revisit it from time to time because it still bothers me.
Back to work,
Ev
Bali...you have a point that I totally agree with. Getting the viral load to a lower point before starting treatment would be a good thing.
Well said Evangelin. This is a forum for Hep C which should include discussion about living with it as well as curing it. As long as that distinction is made where is the harm? Many people believe 'religiously' that SOC is the only solution. It is a belief based on research of other people's research and publications, and their own experience. At best, all that can be said is that INF/Riba sometimes works, about 50% of the time. That is not exactly a text book 'cure'. What if Juices/Supplements/Positive thinking/ Eskimo pee, also sometimes work. Even if it is only 1% of the time it would help thousands get cured.
I agree it is correct to point out that still having the virus means you are not 'cured', but I don't agree that without annihilating every last virion you can't have a happy healthy life, and as mikesimon brought to light, a little poop in the cookie may not be all bad. Understandably anyone who has slogged through weeks and weeks of tx, or is going through it now doesn't want to hear that it's not necessary and that the right diet solves everything, but the responses to anyone making significant progress coping with the disease outside of SOC are pretty muted. I wouldn't be bold enough to post my improvement anywhere but my journal, and I have received only kind words here.
It is just a gut feeling I have, that perhaps those who have reached, or are well on the way to SVR miss.
Sheesh medhelp, I fail to see the point of censorship.
Even if someone brings in an idea we don't agree with, since when are we such children that we cannot correct, instruct, debunk, or even, gasp, explore a new idea.
The verdict on alternatives curing is in, they don't, but the verdict at least for HIV people is that viral reduction equals longer life. 30 years is the average time from HIV to full blown AIDS now, whereas it used to be less than 5 years from being diagnosed. This is all due to keeping the VL very low.
Obviously adjuncts have so far proved incapable of cure, but which of you who have not been able to REACH a cure using SOC would not gladly trade a viral load of 2 million for 10 thousand??
It's not JUST about inflammation, although that's somewhat true, but the virus also changes the way we metabolize, the whole lipid process is thrown off, as is the whole endocrine process, and God only knows what else.
I've been saying 50% of us have endocrine dysfunction, many have metabolic syndrome, thanks to this virus and provided the studies...and lately the stuff I've been reading on lipids is equally frightening...not just what happens to your belly fat and the hump on the back of your neck, but all the other parts of the body that are starved for enough lipids because this virus somehow reroutes them to storage. It goes on and on.
I just wish sometimes we could carry on conversations without the brain police deciding for us what is worthy of discussion.
LAst time I looked the average age in here was 60, not 6!!!
One reason I don't come in here as much anymore is because of the censorship.
I suppose this post will be censored for me saying this.
"I just wish sometimes we could carry on conversations without the brain police deciding for us what is worthy of discussion.:
Good luck with that one, it ain't never gonna happen. :)
Just to caveat on what has been said. The thread is not about using Hepatitis Technologies, juices, co-existing with the virus, positive thinking for good karma and a happy and healthy life. The OP distinctly said he lowered his viral load from 500k to 11k in a short period of time so what's his point? He's got a low viral load, big whoop. No mention of not wanting to treat or not being able to treat. Fact remains he still has hepc but I guess it's whatever blows your boxers up. The only defensiveness I see are from those who have gotten the impression this thread is about something else other than a low viral load.
Trinity
I think the name "hepcsurvivor" is a little presumptuous for someone who has hepc.