fatique not r/t to hep C: per doc

[jodao]

same GI doc states as well as the itching not caused by liver neither is my fatigue. States the hep C and liver is not bad enough.  WHAT?! The Hep C just only recently caused cirrhosis. How friggin bad does it have to be. This virus had been in my body 25-30 yrs now.  States it is my depression since my son died almost a yr ago.  Shoot I was depressed before that and received counseling and antidepressant. I get depressed when I get fatigue.  They really don't know what their saying do they.  As a said ,I'm an R.N (not working now) and I do not trust many doctors. There are good ones that don't have a GOD complex but the one's that do...I wish they would just say...I don't know!

[crossroadsec]

Thnx Will n Bill. I have ground my own wheat to make my bread since I was in my late 20's. Mostly veggie protein - occasional home made deserts. I taught aerobics n have weight trained my entire adult life. Till now. Never drank.  I also slept in my classroom after school before I could grade papers n drive home. Literally slept in parking lots n at rest stops.
I did all of this in an attempt to ward off fatigue. Situational depression? Sure, we all experience that.
Curious lady n Rambleon - there are other causes for fatigue for sure - but some of us DO have to fight for every oz of energy because of the virus n it's damage to our body. And part of my fatigue today may be related to grieving. I got out n dressed n am now snoozing in my car. My family  used to lol about it. Not so much now.
Call me the Napper.
Karen :)

[rambleon40]

PS -

I appreciate the document and looked it over.  It was interesting.

Besides the fact that it is impossible to tell if the studies completely accounted for lifestyle, I respectfully submit that all research is subject to bias, also, and one needs to know who is funding it.

See, e.g.,

http://blog.hcfama.org/2010/09/16/studies-industry-funded-research-produces-bias-and-is-not-always-disclosed/

www.policymed.com/2011/03/jama-disclosure-of-interests-in-meta-analyses.html

http://www.editage.com/resources/art3.html

http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformation/Guidances/ucm126832.htm (FDA rules, but Big Pharma certainly uses wordsmiths when it comes to reporting).

What is still missing is a good objective non-Big Pharam funded study of people pre-interferon and people post-interefron, folllowed for some time.  

If CDC data is to be believed (1% to 5% of people with Hep C will die of it, 20% will develop cirrhosis), one may have a very hard time justifying the use of the drugs given the anectodal and medically documented side effects, or at the very least one should feel comfortable with a decision not to treat.  

[willbb]

rambleon

I see you didn't read ..or possibly didn"t understand my post...it is not myself that " is " or " is not " on to anything. It was was the research and studies by the people in the field articled,and what my own particular Hepatologist mentioned. Unlike your self and your ex. I have no knowledge of the facts in the matter.

Curiouslady.. Not sure what you are saying  ,however I personally often don"t..
Will

[curiouslady1]

Well,  let's ask the people who have treated successfully and whose liver is no longer inflamed.  Hey!  You out there!  Yes.  That's right!  You!  Do you feel any less tired now that you no longer have HepC?  No?  Well, do you mind putting down that glass of champagne (beer, whiskey, wine) for a minute to answer this question?  :)

[rambleon40]

My ex-wife (internal medicine phsyician) treats people all day long, one after another, who come into her office complaining of being tired.  They are typically overweight, don't exercise and eat poorly. (ie - oil-soaked Lays or fries, sugar-filled Coke and chemical-laden processed meat sandwich wrapped in nutritionless refined bleached wheat bread.

Which probably describes close to 90%+ of our populace.

Now if 97% of Hep C people who feel fatigued eat properly, exercise, have good weight and low blood sugar, I'd say you were on to something.  

[willbb]

Fatigue is the most reported and studied symptom of HCV. Clinical estimates of a median 50% of HCV infected people have this symptom(Weissenborn et al., 2009) to as high as 97%( Goh et al.,1999) This after 85 Journal articles and 11 years of on-going studies.

http://www.hepcaustralia.com.au/images/documents/Fatigue_In_HCV_Infection_A_Review_1989-2011.pdf


On a personal note it was unexplained (and often debilitating intermittent fatigue that led to my diagnosis as it is for many according to the 2 experienced hepatologists I have seen.

Will