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"no respect for life" vs treatments
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I understand that people here get upset when they hear that victims of hepC abuse alcohol. Understandable so, as they show
I understand that people here get upset when they hear that victims of hepC abuse alcohol. Understandable so, as they show
I shudder at 'shoulds'. I wish people would get thier noses out of other people's business!!
I forget who wrote it but I know at least Fats Waller was one of many who sang it. "aint' nobodys business if I do."
I forget who wrote it but I know at least Fats Waller was one of many who sang it. "aint' nobodys business if I do."
everyone's entitled to their own opinions, t'aint nobody's fault...as for who believes what, when and where - people can decide on their own, like always...no harm done...now for this 18 year old that I take care of, who I just found sneaking out with my cell phone cause she's maxed out her minutes on her own cell phone, Oy Vey!!!
Unlesss you have a thing for cats with stubby tails - I'd caution against too much booze for the kitty. Well at least that was my experience back in the day - whenever I wanted to get a little tail, it always started out with imbibng copius quantities of the drink...... worked once in a while too but in addition to a little tail, I'd sometimes end up with a stump where my arm once was.
-- Cayote Catcher
F & J -
My apologies for dragging this thread down that well worn road. I should have knowd better. Have a nice weekend all......
-- Cayote Catcher
F & J -
My apologies for dragging this thread down that well worn road. I should have knowd better. Have a nice weekend all......
yeah, I agree with Bug, maybe those posts sounded harsh because of how scarry this is and it's unsettling, so people just react...and yeah, the poster did admit she had a problem with drinking, that it was hard for her to forgo drinking because of her husband...I would think, and this is not my case, that if my partner was struggling with alcoholism, and was facing hep c, that I would give it up for myself and his sake as well, or at least try...but that's just me...
I mean, if we're going to be honest about how we feel, it might sound judgmental sometimes, but we're just saying how we feel about a situation, that doesn't mean they have to take it to the bank....members can do whatever they want with the advice, info, they get here....listen to it, not listen to it, we're only posting on a board....we know only little bits of what's going on with people that post here...
In the long run, we're all free to do what we want...and after all, people come on here talking about these problems, and asking other takes, and sometimes the advice ins't as nicely put as they would want)...but like Bug said once, we can ask advice, but we don't always want to hear it...especially if it means we have to make big changes...
I understand that your work mate is way over-compensating for her own addiction problems, why doesn't someone there tell her to mind her own business? ha ha! If I was there I would, but then I'm a big mouth anyway, if you haven't noticed, :)
I mean, if we're going to be honest about how we feel, it might sound judgmental sometimes, but we're just saying how we feel about a situation, that doesn't mean they have to take it to the bank....members can do whatever they want with the advice, info, they get here....listen to it, not listen to it, we're only posting on a board....we know only little bits of what's going on with people that post here...
In the long run, we're all free to do what we want...and after all, people come on here talking about these problems, and asking other takes, and sometimes the advice ins't as nicely put as they would want)...but like Bug said once, we can ask advice, but we don't always want to hear it...especially if it means we have to make big changes...
I understand that your work mate is way over-compensating for her own addiction problems, why doesn't someone there tell her to mind her own business? ha ha! If I was there I would, but then I'm a big mouth anyway, if you haven't noticed, :)
As one who has a liver that's in pretty bad shape following years of boozing and hep C, I'm certainly not about to recommend drinking in excess to anyone, especially not anyone with Hep C.
Still, I have always wondered about the vigor with which alcohol consumption is slammed here. Again, I ain't arguing that it's not bad for us. I think we all know it is - but why make this into a moral judgement?
Smoking is bad for you. Horrid in fact. It trims years off anyone's life - too often many years - and it's particularly bad for people with Hep. Most people know that - and if they can't quit smoking there you have it. No one vilifies them for their habit - nor should they.
And what about the overweight? Major liver issue there - but for some reason one that gets a pass. As it should. So why is booze singled out? And I don't buy that it's because it has a bigger impact on health for one minute - if anyone is that concerned about the health of the tipplers, they ought to be equally worried about chubby smokers. There's some value judgements being made, if you ask me.
We're all left to do what we can and do what feels right for us.
Google 'obesity cirrhosis' and this is one of many hits:
One common cause of liver failure (and thus a common reason for transplantation of the liver) is cryptogenic cirrhosis (cryptogenic meaning that the cause of the cirrhosis is unknown). Doctors now believe that a large number of patients with cryptogenic cirrhosis are actually patients in the late stages of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. Doctors and public health officials project that obesity related liver diseases (cryptogenic cirrhosis and liver cancer) will become the leading cause of liver failure and liver transplantation in the not too distant future.
From here: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=46582
Still, I have always wondered about the vigor with which alcohol consumption is slammed here. Again, I ain't arguing that it's not bad for us. I think we all know it is - but why make this into a moral judgement?
Smoking is bad for you. Horrid in fact. It trims years off anyone's life - too often many years - and it's particularly bad for people with Hep. Most people know that - and if they can't quit smoking there you have it. No one vilifies them for their habit - nor should they.
And what about the overweight? Major liver issue there - but for some reason one that gets a pass. As it should. So why is booze singled out? And I don't buy that it's because it has a bigger impact on health for one minute - if anyone is that concerned about the health of the tipplers, they ought to be equally worried about chubby smokers. There's some value judgements being made, if you ask me.
We're all left to do what we can and do what feels right for us.
Google 'obesity cirrhosis' and this is one of many hits:
One common cause of liver failure (and thus a common reason for transplantation of the liver) is cryptogenic cirrhosis (cryptogenic meaning that the cause of the cirrhosis is unknown). Doctors now believe that a large number of patients with cryptogenic cirrhosis are actually patients in the late stages of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. Doctors and public health officials project that obesity related liver diseases (cryptogenic cirrhosis and liver cancer) will become the leading cause of liver failure and liver transplantation in the not too distant future.
From here: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=46582
People get so bent out of shape about drinking with hcv, yet most of us had the virus for decades without knowing. Therefore, we were probably drinking (unless we never drank at all) with hcv.
I've never been much of a drinker - got drunk a couple-three times in college and hated it. Ever since then I've never had more than one or two drinks in a day, and never more than once or twice a week, if that - until about 3 or 4 years ago when I read that a glass of red wine a day is good for your heart. So, unaware of the virus lurking in my liver, I had a glass or two with dinner most nights.
Once diagnosed, I realized I couldn't have a drop during treatment, but during the intervening months - while seeing a multitude of different docs, getting biopsied, filling up bottles and bottles of blood - I must confess that I had a few glasses at restaurants where the food deserved it - not many, because I cook very simply and can seldom afford to eat at the kind of place that warrants a good cabernet, but a few. And I was UND at 4 weeks, so I guess it didn't hurt.
Now, off treatment, I'm waiting for the 6 month SVR (I hope) before I return to my usual drinking. I've actually become something of a wine connoisseur (but not a wine snob; it's double the pleasure when I find a good bargain), and I really look forward to visiting more vineyards and taking more classes in wine.
As I understand it, alcohol isn't good for our livers, but neither are half the meds we all take. After being diagnosed with hep c, I was sent to a psychiatric NP for an anti-depressant prescription. I asked for one that doesn't cause weight gain, like Wellbutrin. She looked up Wellbutrin in her book and said, "It's hepato-toxic." Then she looked up another, and another and another - Prozac, Efflexor, the usual suspects - and exclaimed, "They're ALL hepato-toxic." I believe in moderation in all things, including my vices.
I've never been much of a drinker - got drunk a couple-three times in college and hated it. Ever since then I've never had more than one or two drinks in a day, and never more than once or twice a week, if that - until about 3 or 4 years ago when I read that a glass of red wine a day is good for your heart. So, unaware of the virus lurking in my liver, I had a glass or two with dinner most nights.
Once diagnosed, I realized I couldn't have a drop during treatment, but during the intervening months - while seeing a multitude of different docs, getting biopsied, filling up bottles and bottles of blood - I must confess that I had a few glasses at restaurants where the food deserved it - not many, because I cook very simply and can seldom afford to eat at the kind of place that warrants a good cabernet, but a few. And I was UND at 4 weeks, so I guess it didn't hurt.
Now, off treatment, I'm waiting for the 6 month SVR (I hope) before I return to my usual drinking. I've actually become something of a wine connoisseur (but not a wine snob; it's double the pleasure when I find a good bargain), and I really look forward to visiting more vineyards and taking more classes in wine.
As I understand it, alcohol isn't good for our livers, but neither are half the meds we all take. After being diagnosed with hep c, I was sent to a psychiatric NP for an anti-depressant prescription. I asked for one that doesn't cause weight gain, like Wellbutrin. She looked up Wellbutrin in her book and said, "It's hepato-toxic." Then she looked up another, and another and another - Prozac, Efflexor, the usual suspects - and exclaimed, "They're ALL hepato-toxic." I believe in moderation in all things, including my vices.
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