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"no respect for life" vs treatments
Hello there,
I understand that people here get upset when they hear that victims of hepC abuse alcohol. Understandable so, as they show
I understand that people here get upset when they hear that victims of hepC abuse alcohol. Understandable so, as they show
everyone took note that I was talking about "DRINKING ALCOHOLICALLY"....course, everyone is entitled to post whatever they want....but God knows why....whenever this subject comes around as is argued...
People will come on and say "What's all the fuss? Why be Carrie Nation or some other *prohibitionist* (which is vaguely insulting but I got a sense of humor) "I just drink a few drinks a week" etc...ect...hello!!! Jim I really value your opinions on many other subjects, but youre NOT talking about alcoholic drinking in your case, are you? Have I ever called you an alcohlic? I know I haven't....
Sooooo, we're talking apples and oranges here aren't we? UNRELATED ISSUES...Why call me Carrie Nation if, even you....I should think....would admit that drinking alcoholically is killing many people with this disease.... As for your contention that it's okay to drink a few drinks a week even *while* you have the disease, and you'd consistently quote Dr. Dietrich (the renoun hepatologist) saying is much?....well, he either changed his mind, or whatever, cause on his recent video he just said, "no alcohol with hepatitis"...plain and simple...
My points to Goofy were that while smoking and being overweight is certainly not condusive to clearing the virus, and are bad things in and of themselves...they are not hampering SVR AS MUCH as alcohol....inasmuch you can still TAKE treatment and ultimately SVR if you smoke and/or are overweight...
On the othe hand, drinking alcoholically STOPS many people with this disease from even treating - cause they don't want to have to give up alcohol in order to treat - DRINKING ALCOHOLICS THAT IS, ergo, many alcoholics are killing themselves who have this disease....Because many would agree....that "over-drinking" alcohol speeds up the disease process, often times dramatically...if you don't believe me, ask your respective hepatologists...I do think people killing themselves is rather dramatic and warrants being talked about in relation to these issues, as controversial as it seems to be...shoot me...for the most part lately, I avoid this issue like the plague, cause the same sillyness often comes up when youre trying to have a legitimate discussion of it...
For as much as some people complain that they are constantly being mis-read here because people don't bother to read the fine points of a person's post, yeeesh!..
respectfully to all, not mad at anyone, I think Jim makes a great contribution to this board, he's much more valuable to this board then I am and I don't think it's necessary to get mad at people I'm only typing to, hope everyone has a great weekend! I'm going to go soak my head, HA HA HA!
People will come on and say "What's all the fuss? Why be Carrie Nation or some other *prohibitionist* (which is vaguely insulting but I got a sense of humor) "I just drink a few drinks a week" etc...ect...hello!!! Jim I really value your opinions on many other subjects, but youre NOT talking about alcoholic drinking in your case, are you? Have I ever called you an alcohlic? I know I haven't....
Sooooo, we're talking apples and oranges here aren't we? UNRELATED ISSUES...Why call me Carrie Nation if, even you....I should think....would admit that drinking alcoholically is killing many people with this disease.... As for your contention that it's okay to drink a few drinks a week even *while* you have the disease, and you'd consistently quote Dr. Dietrich (the renoun hepatologist) saying is much?....well, he either changed his mind, or whatever, cause on his recent video he just said, "no alcohol with hepatitis"...plain and simple...
My points to Goofy were that while smoking and being overweight is certainly not condusive to clearing the virus, and are bad things in and of themselves...they are not hampering SVR AS MUCH as alcohol....inasmuch you can still TAKE treatment and ultimately SVR if you smoke and/or are overweight...
On the othe hand, drinking alcoholically STOPS many people with this disease from even treating - cause they don't want to have to give up alcohol in order to treat - DRINKING ALCOHOLICS THAT IS, ergo, many alcoholics are killing themselves who have this disease....Because many would agree....that "over-drinking" alcohol speeds up the disease process, often times dramatically...if you don't believe me, ask your respective hepatologists...I do think people killing themselves is rather dramatic and warrants being talked about in relation to these issues, as controversial as it seems to be...shoot me...for the most part lately, I avoid this issue like the plague, cause the same sillyness often comes up when youre trying to have a legitimate discussion of it...
For as much as some people complain that they are constantly being mis-read here because people don't bother to read the fine points of a person's post, yeeesh!..
respectfully to all, not mad at anyone, I think Jim makes a great contribution to this board, he's much more valuable to this board then I am and I don't think it's necessary to get mad at people I'm only typing to, hope everyone has a great weekend! I'm going to go soak my head, HA HA HA!
At the ripe old age of 63, I'm now at the point where a number of my peers have died from major illnesses. One was an alcoholic, one abused everything, and the remainder were significantly overweight and thus, because they were too fat to do much, significantly sedentary as well.
But - although I may be condemning people who eat too much along with those who drink too much - there's a big difference between overweight and obese, alcoholic and temperate (but not abstinent). I have never seen statistics indicating that people who are "pleasantly plump" face a shortened lifespan, just as I've never seen statistics showing any danger to the health of moderate drinkers. Scientists seem to only study extremes - like the recent marijuana study where the subjects smoked an average of 75 joints a month. Give me a break! What does this mean to a person who smokes 5 or 10 joints a month? Studies of alcoholics who drink 10 drinks a day don't tell us anything about people who drink 10 drinks a month. I wish they'd do studies of moderate indulgences and let us know what is really dangerous to the average person.
But - although I may be condemning people who eat too much along with those who drink too much - there's a big difference between overweight and obese, alcoholic and temperate (but not abstinent). I have never seen statistics indicating that people who are "pleasantly plump" face a shortened lifespan, just as I've never seen statistics showing any danger to the health of moderate drinkers. Scientists seem to only study extremes - like the recent marijuana study where the subjects smoked an average of 75 joints a month. Give me a break! What does this mean to a person who smokes 5 or 10 joints a month? Studies of alcoholics who drink 10 drinks a day don't tell us anything about people who drink 10 drinks a month. I wish they'd do studies of moderate indulgences and let us know what is really dangerous to the average person.
Boy, is it to late to apologize? Lighten up folks. I'm sorry if my remark offended kimberlynn and I hope she understands my intentions. If anyone wants to drink I don't have a problem with it. If you want to eat in excess, knock yourself out. If you want to smoke pot, do cocaine, inhale cigarettes, jump out of airplanes, hit yourself in the head with a hammer, go for it. I guess there's consequences to everything we do in life. For me, realizing that HCV and drinking was not a good mix made me decide between life and death. Literally. When all I've read about Hepatitus C and the words "potentially fatal" keeps jumping out at me, thats probably enough for me to change my rose colored glasses and see my life in the real light. I can look back with hindsight and learn from my mistakes. The sad thing is, once you're gone, what good is hindsight? Again, let me offer my apology to kimberlynn.
I actually believe that an occasional glass of wine is good for my liver and my vet feels the same way. He didn't think, however, that it was good for my cat and my cat's liver is pristine - go figure. Maybe I should speak to a hepatologist and get this question resolved because my cat really likes a drink now and then and I hate to deprive him if it's not absolutely necessary. Mike
cause youre not an alcoholic? I do think that if youre living with an alcoholic, who is trying to give up drinking, the nice thing to do is give up drinking yourself, at least if youre in his company...at least while he's in the first stages of trying to give it up, which is the most tempting time for him.. In this case, this poster sais it was hard for her to give it up, and her husband wasn't even trying to give it up, and he has hep c.....my sister is an alcoholic, and my parents don't drink in front of her cause obviously it's hard for her...I think these facts are getting lost in these threads...but I'm done with trying to oversee facts, it's certainly out of my control, ha ha! it's a beutiful day outside! hope all is well...
cause youre not an alcoholic?
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Neither is my husband... but I still don't understand why kimberlynn was attacked like she was. I agree with your statement "the nice thing to do is give up drinking yourself, at least if youre in his (the alcoholic) company" - but she can't make him quit.
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Neither is my husband... but I still don't understand why kimberlynn was attacked like she was. I agree with your statement "the nice thing to do is give up drinking yourself, at least if youre in his (the alcoholic) company" - but she can't make him quit.
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