Lyme cure?

Question

Hi !!

I was diagnosed with Lyme disease 6 months ago. I think I might of had it for 20+ years. I am now doing great. My symptoms are almost gone. I used a coil machine(similar to a rife machine) and the biggest thing has been the Sea Salt/Vitamin C treatment. It is my heaven sent. STAY AWAY FROM ANTI-BIOTICS!!!!!!!

frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310 · Answer

If you are not convinced that sea salt/vit c works because there is no proof of it working.Yet there are many many testimonials from Lyme sufferers who have used it with great success. But yet you use anti-biotics with which have no proof at all and this is based on doctors who study and log all their findings. and yet not one docotr has ever cured a patient with lyme.Seems like you would rather listen to your doctor who has no proof then listen to everyday lyme people who are having success. Are you not an advocate for your own health? Why wouldn't use something that works? Regular people who tell you this stuff have nothing to gain yet docotrs have everything to lose if you get healthy. Thats wht they call a conflict of interst and thats why I am not fond of most doctors because my health directly affects their pocket.

frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310 · Answer

Yes, They are making a lot of money off of you. How much money would you have if you took a penny from everyone in the USA.? 7 million dollars.

A 1/4 teaspoons is .25 and a gram = .215 so they are close.

JackieCalifornia · Answer

"1 gm + 1/4 teaspoon of salt(.214)."

Sorry, I'm science-challenged.  What does this mean?

JackieCalifornia · Answer

Duh.  Short attention span here.  I tend to jump around from comment to comment and skipped over your Linus P. reference.

I don't think it's being ignored due to unprofitability...it's just too, too homeopathic or something for MSM to get interested.

wonko · Answer

Do I remember Linus Pauling?  But of course, and I made reference to him above.  Though I typically remember him for work outside of his late-in-life vitamin C fanaticism.  

I'm also not sure that I understand the argument that salt/C is suppressed by the medical community because it is not profitable to them.  I take (mostly) inexpensive generic antibiotics, is anyone getting rich off of me?

frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310 · Answer

1 gm + 1/4 teaspoon of salt(.214). I have read about many people using this and having a really good response. I started with taking my weight and multiplying it by 15 and that would tell me the max amount of salt per gram that you would take daily. Along with that I would take 500 mg of Vit C. I found a new amount on line someone was using and I have increased it and I have had no problems. As long as you monitor your salt you should be fine. Its like taking to many drugs. There are a lot of people that have been on the sea salt /vit c treatment for years with no problem.

JackieCalifornia · Answer

Thank you, Wonko!  You saved me from having to buy and count a lot of Doritos.

Sounds like if someone's diet is already well salted, then adding 1 tsp (6g) of additional salt would push one over the daily rec. limit.

There is a hearty bunch on the internet pressing the Salt/C thing, but none of them I have found discusses the nuts and bolts of how much is potentially too much.

Re Vit C, remember Linus Pauling?  He is still a guru of those who believe in megadoses of Vit C, and there are some who claim it is highly curative of a whole bunch of things, but from there, it trails off into not much proof.

Wonder why no one has a study of the Salt/C approach?  Hmmmm?  That probably tells me something right there.

Thanks again, Wonko.

wonko · Answer

6.00 g NaCl X (1 mole NaCl/58.44 g NaCl) X ( 1 mole Na/1 mole NaCl) X (22.99 g Na/1 mole Na) * (1000 mg/1 g) = 6 * 22.99 * 1000 / 58.44 = 2360 mg of Na, pretty close to the table linked above. Mileage may vary with significant figures.

wonko · Answer

While that is not bad for a back-of-the-envelope calculation, you are assuming a 1:1 correspondence between sodium and salt, while salt (NaCl) is not pure sodium.

That aside, 1 tsp (6 g) of table salt contains about 2325 mg, or nearly 100% the daily recommended value, of sodium.  I'll skip the details of unit conversion and instead direct you to http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/spices-and-herbs/216/2

What about the seaside, I mean, the C side?  While Linus Pauling advocated megadoses of vitamin C, I thought it was in general frowned upon.  How does the recommended dose of vitamin C in salt/C compare with the daily recommended value?

JackieCalifornia · Answer

Re Salt/C:  In doing reading about this topic recently, it is unclear to me what doses of salt are being used.  Because it is measured in grams and not teaspoons, I've gone to an online calculator to make the conversion -- and it really annoys me that dietitians etc. use grams for their measures ... because while it is common in Europe for kitchen/food measurements to be in grams, it's not here, and it's not a straight translation into teaspoons because one is a volume measure (tsp) and the other is a weight measure (grams).  

That complaint now registered, the numbers I have seen of how much salt people are taking in do not seem all that high when converted to tsp.

I've read recommendations (on websites of various kinds, loony and otherwise) of 6 grams of salt per day.  If the online calculators are correct and I'm reading them right, 6 grams of salt = 1 teaspoon of salt.

Random comparison:  
12 Doritos have 170mg sodium. 
1 gram = 1,000 mg
therefore 6 grams = 6,000 mg

6,000 mg suggested treatment dose divided by 170mg of sodium in 12 Doritos = 36 doses
therefore a serving of 12 Doritos eaten 36 times = 432 Doritos

Yes, that's a lot of Doritos, but it's not a truckload.

I'm sure a more sensible comparison can be made, but 6 grams of salt just isn't sounding like a HUGE amount to me.  However, I have relatively low blood pressure (90s/50s) and do not seem to be sodium-sensitive, so maybe it wouldn't affect me like it would others with higher BP and more sensitivity to salt.  After all the hysteria against salt in recent years, I had cut down my salt intake to very very little, and have found now that I am ill with Lyme, I feel better when I liberally salt my food.  My BP doesn't budge.

Can anyone correct my analysis here?  I'm no dietitian or mathematician, so I may be totally off.  

Also, what I am reading talks about using sea salt or other non-refined salt rather than table salt, so maybe that makes a difference too.  

If we can define what 'large doses' of salt truly means, that would help a lot!  Thanks everyone.

wonko · Answer

I've had Lyme & co. for several years, and have been treating for about 20 months under the care of an ILADS LLMD.  I have not tried salt/C or Rife.  I have an open mind to alternative treatments.  I personally experienced a significant Herx reaction to osteopathic treatments.  That experience opened my eyes to the possibilities of drug-free treatments.  However, I have trepidations about the safety of salt/C.  Taking large doses of just about any substance can be dangerous.  While I do not know much about Rifing, it is my understanding that regardless if it works to treat Lyme or not, it does not pose a risk.

frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310 · Answer

Do you have lyme? If so, how long have you been treating it? Any docotor or an LLMD? Have you ever tried Sea salt/Vit C? Have you ever used a coil/Rife machine?

wonko · Answer

I've used various homeopathic treatments to supplement, but my primary treatment has been in the form of pulsed combinations of oral antibiotics. I'm not attempting to debate the efficacy of all alternative methods, but I do advocate using caution and, if possible, doing any and all treatments under the care of a doctor.

frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310 · Answer

Thats true. I have tried two different variations and have had success with both. I started out slow but then increased as I went along and have had no ill effects. I have been doing this treatment for almost 3 months,

JackieCalifornia · Answer

Opinions on the Salt/C approach vary.  It doesn't take much searching on the net to find contrary opinions.  So check it out carefully before you try it, everyone.

frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310 · Answer

Hi Juliva,

Are you sure its me? How do you know? I am on the rife forum too though.

Well, basically the sea salt/vit c treatment puts your body in a toxic enviroment that these bacteria can't live. They will die like crazy when you start. It may take a while but it is easy to do and very inexpensive. A doctor would never ever tell you to do this because they won't make any money. If you want more info let me know.

juliva · Answer

Hi frustratedexchronicfatiguevictum310, I think I know you from the rife forum? :)

What is the Sea Salt/Vit C treatment and how is it done? 

I'm so glad to hear your doing well!!!! As you know I'm rifing to but not ready to lay down my antibiotic's because I am almost symptom free within 2 months that is until I rifed for the first time.