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If my baby's father is a junior. What will my son's name be if i name him after my baby's father?
Kind of cool story about jrs and thirds, in 2008 we scattered my grandpas ashes on his parents grave, and we discovered that my grandpa was a jr. which now makes me uncle, who lives his entire life as junior, a third! We still call him jr for the most part but we greet him initially as 'the third' or 'jr jr'.
Oh, sure, then the baby would be III.
No middle name for both. Yes my bd is named exactly like his dad no middle name.
But didn't you say that the bd is not actually named exactly after his dad, but is missing his dad's middle name? Or does the grandfather also have no middle name?
annie the baby will be third not junior. My bd is jr. So i will have to worry about trey. I will name him exactly like his father and grandfather.
Meaning i won't use trey as the nickname.
Meaning i won't use trey as the nickname.
Well, you won't have to worry about Trey if you do it that way. He'd be Jr.
Thx everyone for ur help. I will name the baby same as him father without a middle name. If it's a boy.(it's a surprise)
Im not fond of the nickname trey..... lol
Thanks a bunch!
Im not fond of the nickname trey..... lol
Thanks a bunch!
My friends son is.the III and hes nicknamed tres :p im.having a girl but if/when we have a son i.want my son.to be a jr but my husband is.against it :/ my husband's name happens to be the same as my brother and great grandfather both of whom have passed :( it was a little weird at first but now its not a big deal lol so that name is very important to me my husband said hed deal with naming our son the 2nd
Ive never heard about the numbers switching places though :'
Ive never heard about the numbers switching places though :'
If you add a middle name, your baby will not be the III (third), he will just be First name Middle name Last name.
If you don't add a middle name, you will write First name Last name III.
Hope that didn't confuse you lol
If you don't add a middle name, you will write First name Last name III.
Hope that didn't confuse you lol
It would be written First name Last name III if he has the entire same name as the first two. Thus,
John George Smith
John George Smith, Jr.
John George Smith III
But technically speaking, if your child gets neither his dad's exact name nor his grandpa's exact name, he doesn't need a III. Thus:
John George Smith
John Smith
John Jake Smith
(That is why the son of president John Adams was not John Adams, Jr. but was John Quincy Adams. It's a different name.)
That said, I did more research after RockRose pointed out that my expert was skating on thin ice, and even the highest sticklers leaven their recommendations with common sense, bending the strict rule if doing so would help not to confuse people. This is especially true if all three guys are known in the same community. To avoid confusion, it might make sense for them to use [nothing or Senior], Jr., and III, whether the name being referred to is an exact copy down to the middle name or not.
Incidentally, the nickname "Trey" is sometimes used by people who are designated III. I've always liked it.
John George Smith
John George Smith, Jr.
John George Smith III
But technically speaking, if your child gets neither his dad's exact name nor his grandpa's exact name, he doesn't need a III. Thus:
John George Smith
John Smith
John Jake Smith
(That is why the son of president John Adams was not John Adams, Jr. but was John Quincy Adams. It's a different name.)
That said, I did more research after RockRose pointed out that my expert was skating on thin ice, and even the highest sticklers leaven their recommendations with common sense, bending the strict rule if doing so would help not to confuse people. This is especially true if all three guys are known in the same community. To avoid confusion, it might make sense for them to use [nothing or Senior], Jr., and III, whether the name being referred to is an exact copy down to the middle name or not.
Incidentally, the nickname "Trey" is sometimes used by people who are designated III. I've always liked it.
Thx. Im going to go with III. Duh I forgot about the people u mentioned, their names go in order and it doesn't matter if someone passed away.
Duhhh how could I forget about all of the Georges and Ushers! Lol
Wait how is the name written?FIRST NAME, LAST NAME, III ?
And if my baby father doesn't have a middle name,but I give our baby a middle name does that still makes the baby the III?
Thx again.
Duhhh how could I forget about all of the Georges and Ushers! Lol
Wait how is the name written?FIRST NAME, LAST NAME, III ?
And if my baby father doesn't have a middle name,but I give our baby a middle name does that still makes the baby the III?
Thx again.
RockRose pointed out privately to me that Miss Manners can be considered a social satirist or social commentator rather than an etiquette expert, and that the more technically correct etiquette experts say that a person named "William Montgomery V" keeps that designation all his life. As Flickan says, the vital statistics people would have conniptions if not.
Here is from Wikipedia. One can see that Miss Manners is not necessarily speaking for the majority of etiquette writers when she gives her opinion about everyone moving up.
"There is no hard-and-fast rule over what happens to suffixes when the most senior of the name dies. Etiquette expert Judith Martin, for example, believes they should all move up, but most agree that this is up to the individual families. In practice, it is quite uncommon for families to go beyond "III" in naming children, although there are notable exceptions: Tom Cruise, for instance, is actually Thomas Cruise Mapother IV, and the oldest sons of U.S. Senator Jay Rockefeller (full name John Davison Rockefeller IV), former Major League Baseball pitcher Orel Hershiser and singer Usher (full name Usher Raymond IV) have "V" as their suffix.
"Theodore Roosevelt V is another example; he would be Theodore Roosevelt VI, had the family consistently incremented suffix without regard to the death of ancestors, since U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt was actually a junior (named after his father). That family started numbering with the president as if he had actually been the senior. Former boxer George Foreman named his five sons after himself: George Edward Foreman II through VI.
"In the US the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators states that only males use suffixes and around 2.5% of the population use suffixes.
"Ordering of post-nominal letters
"In some English-speaking countries, the arrangement of post-nominal letters is governed by rules of precedence, and this list is sometimes called the "Order of Wear" (for the wearing of medals)."
Long and short of it, is sounds like it is up to the individual family, at least in America.
"There is no hard-and-fast rule over what happens to suffixes when the most senior of the name dies. Etiquette expert Judith Martin, for example, believes they should all move up, but most agree that this is up to the individual families. In practice, it is quite uncommon for families to go beyond "III" in naming children, although there are notable exceptions: Tom Cruise, for instance, is actually Thomas Cruise Mapother IV, and the oldest sons of U.S. Senator Jay Rockefeller (full name John Davison Rockefeller IV), former Major League Baseball pitcher Orel Hershiser and singer Usher (full name Usher Raymond IV) have "V" as their suffix.
"Theodore Roosevelt V is another example; he would be Theodore Roosevelt VI, had the family consistently incremented suffix without regard to the death of ancestors, since U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt was actually a junior (named after his father). That family started numbering with the president as if he had actually been the senior. Former boxer George Foreman named his five sons after himself: George Edward Foreman II through VI.
"In the US the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators states that only males use suffixes and around 2.5% of the population use suffixes.
"Ordering of post-nominal letters
"In some English-speaking countries, the arrangement of post-nominal letters is governed by rules of precedence, and this list is sometimes called the "Order of Wear" (for the wearing of medals)."
Long and short of it, is sounds like it is up to the individual family, at least in America.
With paperwork and such tied to names the way are today, I don't think reestablishing. Numbers is logical even if that's what proper etiquette used to be. Nobody I know has ever moved their placement unless there was a break in the generations. I have a cousin who is a Jr and one that is a III.
Well my baby's father dad (grandpa ..sr.)passed away. So ur saying my baby would be jr. And my baby's father is Sr. now? Im dont know the gender of my baby it's a surprise. I just want to know just in case it's a boy.
But rockrose is saying add a number.
Im confused and cant find any info on this.
But rockrose is saying add a number.
Im confused and cant find any info on this.
Annie. I'm a huge stickler for etiquette and I'm really interested in your post. I've got generations of ancestors with numerals, and no one ever moves up in numeral that I've ever seen! People are buried with the numeral they were born with, in my experience.
I've seen occasionally a man drop the Jr. after his name but that's rare too - even Martin Luther King Jr., who was a world class leader, has kept the Jr. decades after his death.
I'm curious - can you remember where you saw the moving up of numerals? I would think that would be horrifically confusing if you are doing geneology research.
I've seen occasionally a man drop the Jr. after his name but that's rare too - even Martin Luther King Jr., who was a world class leader, has kept the Jr. decades after his death.
I'm curious - can you remember where you saw the moving up of numerals? I would think that would be horrifically confusing if you are doing geneology research.
My husband was a "the fifth," so we looked this up.
Miss Manners says that when the one at the head of the list dies, everyone else changes numbers. Thus,
Great Grandpa -- James Johnson
Grandpa -- James Johnson Jr. [if he is the son of James Johnson. If he is
instead the nephew, he would be James Johnson II]
Dad -- James Johnson III
Baby -- James Johnson IV
But when Great-grandpa Jim (sometimes called James Johnson, Senior when there are that many below him) dies, James Johnson Jr. becomes James Johnson, James Johnson III becomes James Johnson Jr. and James Johnson IV becomes James Johnson III. (Miss Manners commented that the notepaper Grandma has that says "Mrs. James Johnson Jr." makes for a fine gift to give her daughter-in-law.)
As I said, my husband was a V. But since we were curious, we read up on it, and apparently only kings and popes use the many Roman numerals down the generations. By the time we looked it up, there had been enough attrition at the top of the list that he actually was a II. We thought that was pretty funny.
Miss Manners says that when the one at the head of the list dies, everyone else changes numbers. Thus,
Great Grandpa -- James Johnson
Grandpa -- James Johnson Jr. [if he is the son of James Johnson. If he is
instead the nephew, he would be James Johnson II]
Dad -- James Johnson III
Baby -- James Johnson IV
But when Great-grandpa Jim (sometimes called James Johnson, Senior when there are that many below him) dies, James Johnson Jr. becomes James Johnson, James Johnson III becomes James Johnson Jr. and James Johnson IV becomes James Johnson III. (Miss Manners commented that the notepaper Grandma has that says "Mrs. James Johnson Jr." makes for a fine gift to give her daughter-in-law.)
As I said, my husband was a V. But since we were curious, we read up on it, and apparently only kings and popes use the many Roman numerals down the generations. By the time we looked it up, there had been enough attrition at the top of the list that he actually was a II. We thought that was pretty funny.
The Third, written simply III. In future generations, you just add more numbers, so you could go to IV, V, etc in coming generations.
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