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Male Domestic Violence Victims
This is domestic violence month... Sooo I thought I would post this article about Med help and see what peoples thoughts were!!
A big piece of stone just fell out of the Domestic Violence version of the Berlin Wall
October 15, 2008, 8:43 AM by Jonathan Kay
Barbara Kay
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http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/15/barbara-kay-a-big-piece-of-stone-just-fell-out-of-the-domestic-violence-version-of-the-berlin-wall.aspx
October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month and I am sure that to 99% of readers the two words "domestic violence" means violence against women. Only. The politically correct view that all domestic violence (DV) can be accounted for either by the inherent aggression and controlling instincts of men or by women's defensive reactions against those instincts is so deeply entrenched in our culture that it has become the Berlin Wall of the gender wars - or rather the war of feminism against men. In fact women initiate violence against their partners in an almost equal ratio to men. And in many cases the violence they inflict is severe (as one woman in a woman's shelter told the director, "knives make great levellers").
For all the men who have suffered at the hands of battering women, a chunk of stone just fell out of that huge gendered wall. In a taxpayer lawsuit by four male victims of DV, the Third District appellate court in California reversed a previous ruling holding that because they are not statistically situated with women, men are not entitled to equal protection. The new ruling declares the exclusion of men from Domestic Violence programs unconstitutional.
The presenting case, that of David Woods and his daughter Maegan, now in her early 20s, was compelling because the evidence was irrefutable, the worst case of gender bias in this area I have ever seen. David Woods is a handicapped man in a wheelchair, incapable of living on his own, and dependent (or was during the relevant period, the 1980s, when Meagan was a young girl) on his wife Ruth, who is bi-polar with violent tendencies. David frequently attempted to get help from a Sacramento DV agency, who always told him "We don't help men," explaining that men were perpetrators of violence, never victims, the usual mantra so clearly inapplicable to his situation. Churches and various other programs were equally unhelpful.
If David had fled with his daughter, he would have been arrested for kidnapping, unlike women with children who are offered shelter and sympathy. He would certainly have lost custody in a divorce, so neither flight nor divorce would have served Meagan's interests. Bias in the law enforcement system exacerbated the problem. In one 1995 incident, Ruth aimed a shotgun at Meagan. David managed to wrest it from her. Ruth called the police, telling them she wanted to kill her husband, but when the police arrived, they immediately handcuffed him.
People who have followed the heartrending story of the Woods family can only rejoice at this moral victory, which of course comes too late to rewrite the tragic trajectory of Meagan's unhappy childhood, but hopefully will provide a strong foundation for the reversal of the tide of gender bias the case represents.
The entrenched prejudices against men in the DV industry know no borders. California today, other states tomorrow. And Canada? The issues are the same, the right of taxpayers to equal access to services is the same, the bias in the legal system is the same, and the cultural blindness to the plight of male suffering is the same.
It would be a grace note for judges here to take note of the chunk of wall on the ground, and pick up a proactive hammer. The faster this wall comes down, the better for democracy and for gender relations, soured by years of feminists' indifference to the suffering of male victims and their children.
A big piece of stone just fell out of the Domestic Violence version of the Berlin Wall
October 15, 2008, 8:43 AM by Jonathan Kay
Barbara Kay
***@****
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/15/barbara-kay-a-big-piece-of-stone-just-fell-out-of-the-domestic-violence-version-of-the-berlin-wall.aspx
October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month and I am sure that to 99% of readers the two words "domestic violence" means violence against women. Only. The politically correct view that all domestic violence (DV) can be accounted for either by the inherent aggression and controlling instincts of men or by women's defensive reactions against those instincts is so deeply entrenched in our culture that it has become the Berlin Wall of the gender wars - or rather the war of feminism against men. In fact women initiate violence against their partners in an almost equal ratio to men. And in many cases the violence they inflict is severe (as one woman in a woman's shelter told the director, "knives make great levellers").
For all the men who have suffered at the hands of battering women, a chunk of stone just fell out of that huge gendered wall. In a taxpayer lawsuit by four male victims of DV, the Third District appellate court in California reversed a previous ruling holding that because they are not statistically situated with women, men are not entitled to equal protection. The new ruling declares the exclusion of men from Domestic Violence programs unconstitutional.
The presenting case, that of David Woods and his daughter Maegan, now in her early 20s, was compelling because the evidence was irrefutable, the worst case of gender bias in this area I have ever seen. David Woods is a handicapped man in a wheelchair, incapable of living on his own, and dependent (or was during the relevant period, the 1980s, when Meagan was a young girl) on his wife Ruth, who is bi-polar with violent tendencies. David frequently attempted to get help from a Sacramento DV agency, who always told him "We don't help men," explaining that men were perpetrators of violence, never victims, the usual mantra so clearly inapplicable to his situation. Churches and various other programs were equally unhelpful.
If David had fled with his daughter, he would have been arrested for kidnapping, unlike women with children who are offered shelter and sympathy. He would certainly have lost custody in a divorce, so neither flight nor divorce would have served Meagan's interests. Bias in the law enforcement system exacerbated the problem. In one 1995 incident, Ruth aimed a shotgun at Meagan. David managed to wrest it from her. Ruth called the police, telling them she wanted to kill her husband, but when the police arrived, they immediately handcuffed him.
People who have followed the heartrending story of the Woods family can only rejoice at this moral victory, which of course comes too late to rewrite the tragic trajectory of Meagan's unhappy childhood, but hopefully will provide a strong foundation for the reversal of the tide of gender bias the case represents.
The entrenched prejudices against men in the DV industry know no borders. California today, other states tomorrow. And Canada? The issues are the same, the right of taxpayers to equal access to services is the same, the bias in the legal system is the same, and the cultural blindness to the plight of male suffering is the same.
It would be a grace note for judges here to take note of the chunk of wall on the ground, and pick up a proactive hammer. The faster this wall comes down, the better for democracy and for gender relations, soured by years of feminists' indifference to the suffering of male victims and their children.
I can't believe he called the cops on her for one smack and put a restraining order out on her. That's bs. But I guess they could.
Last year my g/f started hitting me, all I did was stand there never lifted a hand. He mother started hitting me as well, then her mother got a knife and tried to stab me in the heart. I side stepped her effort and took th knife away from her slicing up my hand badly. When the police arrived I was arrested. How is that?? I know some of you are going to read this and think that I'm not telling the whole story. But That is it!!
It happens to guys all the time.
Like the article says..
I was a courtroom observer one time and watched an obvious drug addict go into a courtroom say that her boyfriend said that he was going to plant bombs in the sewer systems to cause the house to be pulled into the ground.
She was given tempoary custody of kids child services had taken away from her and a temporary order of protection. This stuff happens to men thousands of times in a day with no burden of proof required.
Plus police departments under the violence against women act actually recieve money as "subsidies or grants" for arresting men at DV sites even if the man is the one that calls the police and in some cases is the one absorbing violence for years to protect the kids.
Heck I know one man who is an illegal immigrant where he has kids is not married, is abused by his girlfriend but is kept on a tight reign because she threatens to have him deported where he will never see his son unless he does exactly what she wants.
NOW helped create a broken system that is unfair but they don't want to fix it they just want women to be immune to it.
Like the article says..
I was a courtroom observer one time and watched an obvious drug addict go into a courtroom say that her boyfriend said that he was going to plant bombs in the sewer systems to cause the house to be pulled into the ground.
She was given tempoary custody of kids child services had taken away from her and a temporary order of protection. This stuff happens to men thousands of times in a day with no burden of proof required.
Plus police departments under the violence against women act actually recieve money as "subsidies or grants" for arresting men at DV sites even if the man is the one that calls the police and in some cases is the one absorbing violence for years to protect the kids.
Heck I know one man who is an illegal immigrant where he has kids is not married, is abused by his girlfriend but is kept on a tight reign because she threatens to have him deported where he will never see his son unless he does exactly what she wants.
NOW helped create a broken system that is unfair but they don't want to fix it they just want women to be immune to it.
Someone want to tell me how much time Peterson got sentenced to and what type of evidence was used to convict him of murdering his wife?
Meanwhile the dentist her rolled over husband got probation (I believe) even though she repeatedly squashed him with the car with the kids watching until he died
Meanwhile the dentist her rolled over husband got probation (I believe) even though she repeatedly squashed him with the car with the kids watching until he died
Thank you. Using your logic women deserve to be raped, all abusers advertise who they are, and people whose children get molested problably had it coming.
Get a life! One of the few hobbies I have, or missions is helping other men who have been abused etc. Most abusers do not advertise what they are.
To date I have been in my entire lifetime involved with 2 abusive women. The majority of women have been exceptional people who are and will always be dear friends. But victims usually are victims because they are attracted to a trai that seems familiar to them and unless they are careful each time a woman seems familiar its because they match what their abuser was like. Women do the same thing.
Your comment though was out of line and I could not imagine saying that you deserved rape or abuse which is what you essentially have just said about me and other victims.
Mayflowers look up
Get a life! One of the few hobbies I have, or missions is helping other men who have been abused etc. Most abusers do not advertise what they are.
To date I have been in my entire lifetime involved with 2 abusive women. The majority of women have been exceptional people who are and will always be dear friends. But victims usually are victims because they are attracted to a trai that seems familiar to them and unless they are careful each time a woman seems familiar its because they match what their abuser was like. Women do the same thing.
Your comment though was out of line and I could not imagine saying that you deserved rape or abuse which is what you essentially have just said about me and other victims.
Mayflowers look up
One more thing, I am not talking about children being abused or being a victim of someone who is psychotic or serial killer/rapist. I'm talking about sane adults who chose other sane adults who abuse them.
I had early role model who had an abusive towards most people. Like I said victims do not choose to be victims they are attracted to traits that unless they are careful will repeatedly draw abusers to them.
I am not a by any means weak as when I finished in the military I even considered and had the opportunity to go "professional" security in different countries but chose at the time not to do so. I am the equivalent of a low black belt and can easily hold my own in almost any interpersonal relationship. I was taught however that you protect children always and you never hit women EVER no matter what they are doing or who they were doing it too. This was ingrained into me to the point of being reflex. You have never had kids by your own statements and never had to protect them from their own parent so I don't know if you even have a place to speak on this.
I do know that you are highly offensive, had made comments that make you sound like a user and quite generally give some of the worst advise to couples in situations that you generally have no experience dealing with.
Why? Are you that desperate for self affirmation?
I am not a by any means weak as when I finished in the military I even considered and had the opportunity to go "professional" security in different countries but chose at the time not to do so. I am the equivalent of a low black belt and can easily hold my own in almost any interpersonal relationship. I was taught however that you protect children always and you never hit women EVER no matter what they are doing or who they were doing it too. This was ingrained into me to the point of being reflex. You have never had kids by your own statements and never had to protect them from their own parent so I don't know if you even have a place to speak on this.
I do know that you are highly offensive, had made comments that make you sound like a user and quite generally give some of the worst advise to couples in situations that you generally have no experience dealing with.
Why? Are you that desperate for self affirmation?
So you think their is deserved abuse and undeserved abuse. What exactly is your educational socio-economic background.
Btw only 5% of the ENTIRE world is thought to be 100% clinically sane. Why on earth do you think people, ourselves included, who post on a public forum meet that criteria?
Btw only 5% of the ENTIRE world is thought to be 100% clinically sane. Why on earth do you think people, ourselves included, who post on a public forum meet that criteria?
Men who choose not to abandon their children to their abusers do not choose stay with the abuser, they are electing to stay to protect their kids.
You are not astute in reading people. My son @ three years old had had to have dental work on 13 teeth do the math.
His mom disappeared with him and resurfaced temporarily with a man who sexually molested his son and daughter and had them taken away because of that.
He was also thrown out of the military on a section 8 for doing that to other kids. In the mean time do what you do best and during DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MONTH I will try to raise awareness of issues I feel are important.
Again I find you and your credentials suspect and feel you only post on these sites because it is the only place you feel people listen to you. Honestly working with people as I do each day I have a really good feel and with your subsanceless posts the phrase "menat non compos" comes readily to mind.
Why don't you go back to advising 18 year olds to marry or some other sound advise and quit following all of my posts?
I am trying to raise awareness of a topic and you are just revealing yourself to be both a bigot and a chauvinist.
His mom disappeared with him and resurfaced temporarily with a man who sexually molested his son and daughter and had them taken away because of that.
He was also thrown out of the military on a section 8 for doing that to other kids. In the mean time do what you do best and during DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MONTH I will try to raise awareness of issues I feel are important.
Again I find you and your credentials suspect and feel you only post on these sites because it is the only place you feel people listen to you. Honestly working with people as I do each day I have a really good feel and with your subsanceless posts the phrase "menat non compos" comes readily to mind.
Why don't you go back to advising 18 year olds to marry or some other sound advise and quit following all of my posts?
I am trying to raise awareness of a topic and you are just revealing yourself to be both a bigot and a chauvinist.
BTW you have no idea what situations I have been in nor could you have survived a tenth of them.
Nor do I think I would share them with your ilk.
Please have a most interesting evening doing something that will make the front page newspaper somewhere else and bother someone else.
Nor do I think I would share them with your ilk.
Please have a most interesting evening doing something that will make the front page newspaper somewhere else and bother someone else.
This says it all!!!!
Men who choose not to abandon their children to their abusers do not choose stay with the abuser, they are electing to stay to protect their kids.
Men who choose not to abandon their children to their abusers do not choose stay with the abuser, they are electing to stay to protect their kids.
I think when people have experienced something, it's easy to take up that banner and make it a cause, to increase awareness and make something good come of bad.
I think in some cases, people involved in causes, like you SS are involved in courts unfairness with child custody and domestic violence against men - tend to believe it is more widespread than it is. You appear to have the belief based on your experience that women are usually given a better shake by our patriarchal court system, and women who physically tyrannize men are common.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Women are treated VERY harshly by our court system usually. Prostitutes who murder in self-defense are given stiff sentences, until very recently men who killed their wives for trying to leave were given a pass. Women who stand by and do nothing to keep their men from killing the children are given harsher sentences than the men who did the murdering.
I'm sorry you've had a hard time with parenting and marriage, but I really believe you see things from a skewed angle with respect to how common your situation is.
It is amazing to me, that women who struggle with raising children alone but fall a little short are dealt so harsh a blow by the courts for neglect, when the men who tra la la'd off are given a pass.
I think in some cases, people involved in causes, like you SS are involved in courts unfairness with child custody and domestic violence against men - tend to believe it is more widespread than it is. You appear to have the belief based on your experience that women are usually given a better shake by our patriarchal court system, and women who physically tyrannize men are common.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Women are treated VERY harshly by our court system usually. Prostitutes who murder in self-defense are given stiff sentences, until very recently men who killed their wives for trying to leave were given a pass. Women who stand by and do nothing to keep their men from killing the children are given harsher sentences than the men who did the murdering.
I'm sorry you've had a hard time with parenting and marriage, but I really believe you see things from a skewed angle with respect to how common your situation is.
It is amazing to me, that women who struggle with raising children alone but fall a little short are dealt so harsh a blow by the courts for neglect, when the men who tra la la'd off are given a pass.
Its not a war against men, its a war against eachother. I agree with Rockrose, but I also agree that woman are just as bad as men. I hate how many of the abusers(male or female) get away with it. Not one person deserves abuse, but there are many women who stick by their abuser. This girl I worked with came in with bruises everyday, "He beat me up" one second, the next second "But he loves me." Either way the consequences should be equal for both men and women. When you look at a man and how powerful he looks, they right away would assume the woman is speaking the truth. Its probably not always the case, but their is a big ammount of domineering men out there who are abusive. & to the man who sticks by their woman to protect his children is not protecting his children, he's putting his children through that. It's better to come from a broken home than be in one.
The problem is you assume that when the abused man leaves the children don't go with the abuser. In our courts that is not even a statistical likelihood if the woman is the abuser.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419381,00.html
This lady did about 1.5 years after drowning her three children, her boy friend got life. The statistics don't bear you out in America.
It is well recognized that gradiation of convictins goes from penalties being lightest on white women to being the heaviest on black men.
Do I see things from a different point? Probably. I believe my viewpoint is similar to someone who helps people in a rape crisis center, and like them I have to say you couldn't believe some of the things I've seen. And I am on accasion asked to be a court watcher and you would not believe the things I have seen.
I believe though your perspective is skewed by popular press.
I am not talking about other types of violence I am talking about domestic violence at this time.
Thanks though RR
This lady did about 1.5 years after drowning her three children, her boy friend got life. The statistics don't bear you out in America.
It is well recognized that gradiation of convictins goes from penalties being lightest on white women to being the heaviest on black men.
Do I see things from a different point? Probably. I believe my viewpoint is similar to someone who helps people in a rape crisis center, and like them I have to say you couldn't believe some of the things I've seen. And I am on accasion asked to be a court watcher and you would not believe the things I have seen.
I believe though your perspective is skewed by popular press.
I am not talking about other types of violence I am talking about domestic violence at this time.
Thanks though RR
I assume "Mayflowers" posts were medhelp deleted or self deleted? I only see your replies remaining here.
I know it's a two way street with both women and men abusing each other same goes for rape as well. But the thing for men is the same for women, the embrassment to tell anyone. Men are suppose to be strong and to admit that your partner beats you in our world today, even in the past would most likely garner odd looks and snickers :\ I know it's a huge double standard going on.
My current bf was attacked with a knife by a deranged ex gf of his when he was 20, in his own home had he not got to his bedroom and locked his door on her, she mostly definitely would have tried to kill him. :-( He is very weary I think of womens moods and attitudes since then, which makes it hard for me when I have any lil mood change due to meds or now being off them, I am not a angry person, I don't yell, I don't swear..I don't hit or throw stuff, I basically use things from the past and my memory as my weapons. But still what happened almost 5 yrs ago, still stays with him..and he never talked to anyone really about it, because he was embrassed... He won't hit a girl, even if hes being attacked..
So I can understand your passion for this topic, and your need to get the word back out..so men don't hide in the shadows with bruises no more.
Shame on the police for not reacting as they should on these DV cases. It shouldn't matter the sex of the victim only that a crime took place upon anothers person.
I know it's a two way street with both women and men abusing each other same goes for rape as well. But the thing for men is the same for women, the embrassment to tell anyone. Men are suppose to be strong and to admit that your partner beats you in our world today, even in the past would most likely garner odd looks and snickers :\ I know it's a huge double standard going on.
My current bf was attacked with a knife by a deranged ex gf of his when he was 20, in his own home had he not got to his bedroom and locked his door on her, she mostly definitely would have tried to kill him. :-( He is very weary I think of womens moods and attitudes since then, which makes it hard for me when I have any lil mood change due to meds or now being off them, I am not a angry person, I don't yell, I don't swear..I don't hit or throw stuff, I basically use things from the past and my memory as my weapons. But still what happened almost 5 yrs ago, still stays with him..and he never talked to anyone really about it, because he was embrassed... He won't hit a girl, even if hes being attacked..
So I can understand your passion for this topic, and your need to get the word back out..so men don't hide in the shadows with bruises no more.
Shame on the police for not reacting as they should on these DV cases. It shouldn't matter the sex of the victim only that a crime took place upon anothers person.
I don't believe you can self delete your posts. If you can someone lpease instruct me how. Otherwise I don't think more needs to be said on that perticular topic.
I can completely relate with your boyfriend and may post later if we can bring some of the other man back to this topic who might of shied away due to the tenor of a previous poster?
I can completely relate with your boyfriend and may post later if we can bring some of the other man back to this topic who might of shied away due to the tenor of a previous poster?
*smiles* Okie dokie..I didn't even know there were mods on here, I guess having them hidden keeps the massive PMs hitting their in-boxes :P
Please post your stories anyways, I am sure the men will come back, why let the angstyness of some shoo you away! That's what is great about online, you can share your stories, hurt and sorrow freely without the worry. Well , least it's how I see it for myself. But I don't much care who pokes back at me, also long as it has a tad bit of justificationed attached to it.
Please post your stories anyways, I am sure the men will come back, why let the angstyness of some shoo you away! That's what is great about online, you can share your stories, hurt and sorrow freely without the worry. Well , least it's how I see it for myself. But I don't much care who pokes back at me, also long as it has a tad bit of justificationed attached to it.
Regarding perspective:
I see it similarly to mayflowers and RockRose, Sam. I do think you are very bitter and that’s distorting your view. You obviously have been hurt and are hanging on tightly to it. And that’s your choice—we all do what we need to do. But the tone in many (if not most) of your posts is anger towards women—towards the courts you view as always ruling in favor of women, towards the penal system that doesn’t hold bad women accountable...but mostly towards women. If volunteering your time is helping you to heal, then it's good. If it's perpetuating your own pain and negativity, then it's not good--for you, anyway.
I think that perspectives often get skewed by experience—like when you get a new car, suddenly you see hundreds of them all around town; or when you are pregnant, suddenly so is everyone else. There really aren’t more of these things, you’re just now noticing them because you are focusing on them. And if you are only noticing and focusing on Toyota Highlanders (your new car), you may not see all the other cars and it could be easy to believe that there are far more Highlanders on the road than any other car.
Regarding what mayflowers wrote:
We all have choices in life. We choose our mates and those with whom we procreate. We choose our employers and friends. We choose whether or not to stay in relationships—whatever type of relationship, for whatever reason. But only children and adults who are truly helpless and at the mercy of others for their care (handicapped, elderly, mentally or physically disabled, etc.) can truly be victims, in my opinon. Not always, mind you, but I do think that “victim” is, more often than not, a role that many adults choose to play (I know many in real life who do choose this role and I’ve seen posters here at MedHelp and other sites do the same). Let’s face it—to look at yourself and admit that your life (and the life of someone you love) is the way it is because of your own choices is tough to swallow. It's often easier to look externally for reasons that excuse yourself from the responsibility (at least partially).
Just my non-socio-economic, self-help-book, armchair analysis of the situation, mind you.
I see it similarly to mayflowers and RockRose, Sam. I do think you are very bitter and that’s distorting your view. You obviously have been hurt and are hanging on tightly to it. And that’s your choice—we all do what we need to do. But the tone in many (if not most) of your posts is anger towards women—towards the courts you view as always ruling in favor of women, towards the penal system that doesn’t hold bad women accountable...but mostly towards women. If volunteering your time is helping you to heal, then it's good. If it's perpetuating your own pain and negativity, then it's not good--for you, anyway.
I think that perspectives often get skewed by experience—like when you get a new car, suddenly you see hundreds of them all around town; or when you are pregnant, suddenly so is everyone else. There really aren’t more of these things, you’re just now noticing them because you are focusing on them. And if you are only noticing and focusing on Toyota Highlanders (your new car), you may not see all the other cars and it could be easy to believe that there are far more Highlanders on the road than any other car.
Regarding what mayflowers wrote:
We all have choices in life. We choose our mates and those with whom we procreate. We choose our employers and friends. We choose whether or not to stay in relationships—whatever type of relationship, for whatever reason. But only children and adults who are truly helpless and at the mercy of others for their care (handicapped, elderly, mentally or physically disabled, etc.) can truly be victims, in my opinon. Not always, mind you, but I do think that “victim” is, more often than not, a role that many adults choose to play (I know many in real life who do choose this role and I’ve seen posters here at MedHelp and other sites do the same). Let’s face it—to look at yourself and admit that your life (and the life of someone you love) is the way it is because of your own choices is tough to swallow. It's often easier to look externally for reasons that excuse yourself from the responsibility (at least partially).
Just my non-socio-economic, self-help-book, armchair analysis of the situation, mind you.
What mayflower wrote was that men who were abused were weak and deserved to be abused.
Most women who are raped, are raped by people who know them.
I find it offensive to say that men deserve it as much as I find the argument that a woman who is raped deserves it.
So far as the court bias? Check the statistics from any state and look it up! Or better yet write any bar association! Write any district attorney and ask them how many visitation interference cases they have prosecuted.
Most women who are raped, are raped by people who know them.
I find it offensive to say that men deserve it as much as I find the argument that a woman who is raped deserves it.
So far as the court bias? Check the statistics from any state and look it up! Or better yet write any bar association! Write any district attorney and ask them how many visitation interference cases they have prosecuted.
Serious Sam, you're wrong about the stats of women in the courts. You're also wrong about Amanda Hamm. He killed the children: she didn't stop him. So what else is new in the world of boyfriends killing the kids. She didn't plan it, she didn't do it, she didn't stop him. So for once, she got the lighter sentence as should be. My guess is he wouldn't have even been tried if he had been in the passenger seat and not stopped her from doing this.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art24538.asp
And in the case of Nixzmary Brown, in the news yesterday. The mother who wasn't even in the room was convicted of the same charge as the boyfriend, who actually beat the child to death. The mother's crime? She did nothing. Same charges, same guilty verdict.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/nixzmary.brown.verdict.2.843447.html
The death of 2 year old Christopher Wohlers, beaten to death by his new dad Gerald Zuliani. His mother, Boutwell, did nothing and in fact wasn't in the room. By all accounts, it was Zuliani who beat the child, including the account of an older girl in the home. He served one year in jail, she's in prison for life. I couldn't find a decent article about the whole thing, just this:
http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=9026623
Logan Bowman. His mother is in prison for not reporting his absence to authorities - her boyfriend who undoubtedly killed and hid his body and lied to her about it wasn't even tried. "Not enough evidence" the prosecutor decided against the boyfriend. Logan's bio father came many times during his absence to try to see him, each time Schmemmerhorn (the boyfriend) told the dad Logan was elsewhere. Later, Shmemmerhorn told police the reason he didn't report Logan missing was he believed the biodad had him the whole time. Murderer.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_logan.html
I could go on and on (I already have) but I'm sick to my stomach of men who kill children and the mothers rot in jail for it. Actually, I'm sick of the women who don't defend their children too, but they aren't the primary criminals. The boyfriends/stepdads are and they aren't held accountable.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art24538.asp
And in the case of Nixzmary Brown, in the news yesterday. The mother who wasn't even in the room was convicted of the same charge as the boyfriend, who actually beat the child to death. The mother's crime? She did nothing. Same charges, same guilty verdict.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/nixzmary.brown.verdict.2.843447.html
The death of 2 year old Christopher Wohlers, beaten to death by his new dad Gerald Zuliani. His mother, Boutwell, did nothing and in fact wasn't in the room. By all accounts, it was Zuliani who beat the child, including the account of an older girl in the home. He served one year in jail, she's in prison for life. I couldn't find a decent article about the whole thing, just this:
http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=9026623
Logan Bowman. His mother is in prison for not reporting his absence to authorities - her boyfriend who undoubtedly killed and hid his body and lied to her about it wasn't even tried. "Not enough evidence" the prosecutor decided against the boyfriend. Logan's bio father came many times during his absence to try to see him, each time Schmemmerhorn (the boyfriend) told the dad Logan was elsewhere. Later, Shmemmerhorn told police the reason he didn't report Logan missing was he believed the biodad had him the whole time. Murderer.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_logan.html
I could go on and on (I already have) but I'm sick to my stomach of men who kill children and the mothers rot in jail for it. Actually, I'm sick of the women who don't defend their children too, but they aren't the primary criminals. The boyfriends/stepdads are and they aren't held accountable.
Amanda Ham watched the car sink and helped puss it into the lake and knew what was going on. But she wanted to be with her boyfriend.
RE: boyfriends & stepdads? I agree with you. Oddly though men are more likely than women to kick a woman who is abusive to the curb.
http://books.google.com/books?id=FnAtAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=mother+chopped+child&source=web&ots=eOoAyqkHsx&sig=cAgQl4JsZMRss-wgwbHvJki-Nn4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=21&ct=result
RE: boyfriends & stepdads? I agree with you. Oddly though men are more likely than women to kick a woman who is abusive to the curb.
http://books.google.com/books?id=FnAtAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=mother+chopped+child&source=web&ots=eOoAyqkHsx&sig=cAgQl4JsZMRss-wgwbHvJki-Nn4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=21&ct=result
It's Never Her Fault: Four Texas Women Murder 11 Kids, All Found 'Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity' (Gilberta Estrada, Part II)
May 30th, 2007 by Glenn Sacks
As the Associated Press article on the Gilberta Estrada murders notes, in recent years there has been a spate of Texas women murdering their children, and not one was held criminally culpable for her actions:
In 2004, Dena Schlosser fatally severed her 10-month-old daughter's arms with
a kitchen knife.
In 2003, Deanna Laney beat her two young sons to death with stones in East Texas.
In 2003, Lisa Ann Diaz drowned her daughters in a Plano bathtub.
In 2001, Andrea Yates drowned her five children in the family's Houston bathtub.
All four were found not guilty by reason of insanity.
(In addition, Dee Etta Perez, 39, shot her three children, ages 4, 9 and 10, before killing herself, and Gilberta Estrada murdered three of her daughters this week. To learn more, see my blog post Texas Mother Murders Her 3 Children--and It's Ex-Boyfriend's Fault?!).
May 30th, 2007 by Glenn Sacks
As the Associated Press article on the Gilberta Estrada murders notes, in recent years there has been a spate of Texas women murdering their children, and not one was held criminally culpable for her actions:
In 2004, Dena Schlosser fatally severed her 10-month-old daughter's arms with
a kitchen knife.
In 2003, Deanna Laney beat her two young sons to death with stones in East Texas.
In 2003, Lisa Ann Diaz drowned her daughters in a Plano bathtub.
In 2001, Andrea Yates drowned her five children in the family's Houston bathtub.
All four were found not guilty by reason of insanity.
(In addition, Dee Etta Perez, 39, shot her three children, ages 4, 9 and 10, before killing herself, and Gilberta Estrada murdered three of her daughters this week. To learn more, see my blog post Texas Mother Murders Her 3 Children--and It's Ex-Boyfriend's Fault?!).
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