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12 step program
We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His Will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His Will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Don't get me wrong I believe in god. It's just so overused. And no I am not still active. I am 63 days clean from pills. 10 days clean from cigarettes, and 5 days clean from lexapro. I am sorry but I have been to NA/AA meeting and man those are some of the freakiest people I have ever seen, and half of them were still high and using, what kind of situation is that. I just think that a person needs to deal with what he/she brought on in their life and fix it. Not preach god. If god had anything to do with addiction, we never would have gotten addicted in the first place.
I wanted to add that my mom (after being a functioning drunk, whatever, I think its bs personally) for more than half her life (shes now52) and a coke head is now off the **** ( a LONG time ago) and still has a drink occasionally. Like once or twice a year and its been that way since I can remember. I do remember there were times recently when she wouldnt allow alcohol into the house at all. But now she has white wine sometimes. She never went the AA route tho I drug her to one but she's doing just fine.
I was generalizing when I said people are close minded. I really wasn't referring to you so I'm sorry if you took it that way. Believe me, I have been around the rooms enough to see the dark side but I have to remember that there is a dark side to everyone and if those people act that way in program, they must not be any good to be around outside of the rooms.
I try to practice principles before personalities all the time. Sometimes it works better than others.
People who are disturbed or out to hurt will find a way to do it whether they are "clean" and in program or whether they are not and in the real world saddly enough.
I try to practice principles before personalities all the time. Sometimes it works better than others.
People who are disturbed or out to hurt will find a way to do it whether they are "clean" and in program or whether they are not and in the real world saddly enough.
I wasn't saying you push NA on people I was saying that their is some that do. NA has a lot of paralells to cults and religions and I think it is pretty close minded to say that just because I see some similarities between the two that I am close minded. Whats beautiful to one may be ugly to another. I think to say that I don't have faith because I don't believe in NA is off bases. I have enough faith in GOD that he made me strong enough to overcome my problems on my own. But its awesome that it is working for you. Its always good to hear success no matter how it came. Good luck and keep up the good work.
People who go in close minded and think of it as cultish and do not allow themselves to see the beauty in it will stay in that train of thought. It's not for everyone, that's true. It's for those who have faith.
I am a person of faith and I wish that evreyone could find the freedom and joy that comes along with that but as I said earlier:
"I got clean with God and I will proudly say it. I don't push it on anyone else "
My way clearly wasn't working so why not give someone else's way a chance, especially since it's helped millions.
Even if you take God out of the equation, addicts helping other addicts and addicts leaning on other addicts can't be ineffective. We are the only ones who truly know the addict except of course the family or person closest to the addict who themselves has underogne some sort of tretment to get better because after all it's a disease we all suffer from if you have an addict in your life.
I am a person of faith and I wish that evreyone could find the freedom and joy that comes along with that but as I said earlier:
"I got clean with God and I will proudly say it. I don't push it on anyone else "
My way clearly wasn't working so why not give someone else's way a chance, especially since it's helped millions.
Even if you take God out of the equation, addicts helping other addicts and addicts leaning on other addicts can't be ineffective. We are the only ones who truly know the addict except of course the family or person closest to the addict who themselves has underogne some sort of tretment to get better because after all it's a disease we all suffer from if you have an addict in your life.
I don't think he has to be high to think that. Some people are really turned off by people who try to push religion on them. I honestly think its ok if he feels that way everyone is different and some people can get things accomplished in a different way. I am a strong believer in a higher power but I think it is ok if you don't believe. I know that their are secular recovery groups so it can be done without believing in a higher power. I think the thing that turns people off from NA sometimes is that people are almost cult like or religious about NA. Like if you don't do this and that then you will never get clean which in my opinion is just not true.
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