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Anyone tried or know about the waismann method.

I was just wondering if anyone out there has or knows someone who has experienced the Waismann Method???  Im wondering about its success rates, I saw somewhere that women after a year supposedly had 65% success rate, but didnt find anything on men. I know that Waismann is an inpatient procedure usually lasting 5-7days, your induced into withdrawl after being put under anesthesia, then given sedatives and sleeping pills when you wake up and are transferred to ICU. Im curious to hear if anyone knows of the success rates involved, how the success differs from drug to drug, I would think the success rates of  someone on hydrocodone would be greater than that of someone on methadone, oxycontin. Now I also would think that amounts of medication and its abuse would have to be factored in and their personal medical info. So if anyone out there has been through it please respond, if you know of someone that would be great, or if you've looked into yourself what have you found? Just so others know, Im looking into it for friends that may be able to benefit greatly from it, one friend in particular is on methadone and can't stop. He has no insurance so his care has subsequently has been less the adequate. But he does have family members that could fully afford to pay, if they were made somewhat certain that it would be successful. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, I'll be sticking around to see if I can get any responses.
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It is too expensive for me or many others to try.  One of the most important benefits of being under while you are going though withdrawal is psychological.  The reason for so much recidivism is that benzo withdrawal pain and suffering is quite severe.  Being under anaesthesia removes this psychological association.  Of course the medical being under detox involves more than never knowing the pain and suffering of benzo detox.  From what i am told recovery is still long but nearly with all the craving, muscle spasms so bad your muscles tear, and all the neurological suffering under conventional benzo detox.  You may get "loaded up" the first day with phenobarbital but the rest of the time is pure hell.  Most Heroin addicts will tell you that the benzo they were put on to help them get off smack was later much harder to detox from heroin.

Evidently Dr.Waismann and his associates are not unselfish like the great Jonas Salk who when asked why don't you patent the polio vaccine? Salk:"How can you patent the sun"

Perhaps in a foreign country you can get an anaesthia assisted benzo detox but with all these international trade agreements i think they would be pretty hard to find.

I have read scholarly articles and Waismann was not the first to use the anaesthesia benzo detox.  He was just the first to patent it.

You would think he would sell franchises to public hospital and get a percentage.  but perhaps thats not his fault but the stupid congress and stupid medical laws.

I have been rx'd benzos for 35 years.  long term low dose is the most difficult and takes years to get back to normal.  i mean i am 60 and suffering enough from arthritis, and iatrogenic prostate procedure which ruined my sex life, and other medical problems.

If i was never scarred for most of my life by an idiot psychiatrist(most are) when after just several days of rest and light activity in asylum(in the best sense of the word.  protection from the crazy world and family) and starting to believe and feel i had a new lease on life in this mental health facility where no drugs were used.  I had a nervous breakdown, was a lump of sobbing on the floor, a voluntary patient.  And on the third day this mother ******* psychiatrist says lets try an experiment.  He gives me a neuroleptic. for two weeks i could barely breath and could not stop moving. Dr. Peter Breggin calls it chemical torture. Every day my vitals went towards lethal and had to be taken to the emergency room.  besides other drugs like heart drugs, they would give me phenobarbital in the ***.  it was the only hour or so of sleep i would get any rest.  but the stupid **** shrink could not get through his thick skull that it was the neuroleptic did this to me.  

After a year of exhaustion from being on this torture drugs(neuroleptics)for a year.  God bless, I got an elder psychiatrist who knew i was suffering from the neuroleptic side effects.  He put me on xanax and it was the first time in a year and a half i could relax, smile, sing, play music again.  He was my doctor for 6 years. i'll never blame him for unwittingly into benzo dependence.

Put simply, if i was never tortured by psychiatry i would have never got dependence on benzos.  im 60 and 40 years of my life has been suffering except for the benzos and now on opioids for my severe premature arthritis.  I would love to do the benzo anaesthesia detox.  but i can't even come close to the 12,000 usd to go through it.  its probably higher than that.

So i only have two things i can do.  go through conventional detox and suffer even more for years or:  i have saved enough vicodin, clonazepam in several places.  I will go to one of my favorite places.  take my last vicodin and clonazepam.  enjoy the sunset and the shades of twilight with stars, and then shoot myself(you put the muzzle in your mouth.  50% of suicide with fire arm to side of head are unsuccessful). that would be a good peaceful death and hopefully in reincarnation i will be born in a good place and time and be a little song bird :)  there is no way that i am going to die a long painful death. what i have described is a good peaceful death.

Some day suicide is done after homicide.  not at all with me.  I am not going out of this life with another persons blood on my hands.  I have a lot of people i detest in my life because they have hurt me, especially medical authority, but i just forget about them.  again i will never want to go out of this life with killing someone else. no way.  if i ever had to go to war, i would be an unarmed ambulance driver, or a human shield for example for those poor Gazans who are ironcially partially genocided every two years by Israel.  
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correction first paragraph. it should read as "...From what i am told recovery is much shorter and NOT nearly with all the craving, muscle spasms so bad your muscles tear, and all the neurological suffering under conventional benzo detox... "
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It depends on how much suffering currently and in the past has much to do with whether detox is traumatic or not.  detox from benzos is the worst.  if you have had your detox in a poor detox unit, it is the reason for a high recidivism rate.

regarding waismann method, it is outrageously expensive.
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Just remember this.  Im sure Im speaking for most when I say that getting through the acute withdraw period is really the easy part.  Staying clean and dealing with day to day life after you stop is 95% of the problem.  Thats where the hard work starts.  
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I went thru some really bad withdrawals but will tell you it made me a stronger person and will never touch it again. You can beat this...
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suffering is a relative thing.  If you have been on benzos prescribed like i have for 35 years, its well nigh impossible to ever recover.  several psychiatrists and one neurologist told me so.  If i was never tortured with neuroleptics for no good reason at a young age,  i had a nervous breakdown, was not violent.  I would have never been put on benzos by a sympathetic doctor.  Before going into a psych unit or detox unit have a living will preferably one signed by a lawyer and witnesses.  neuroleptics are drugs like the new and not improved abilify, olanzapine and the older haldol and phenothiazines like thorazines.  It was nothing less than chemical torture.
and it scarred me for life.

I tried many times to kick xanax in the late 1980's but had several seizures that almost killed me.  Detox units didn't have a protocol for detoxing off benzos until perhaps the last 15 years.  So many people died in detox then because detox doctors are the dumbest of all doctors. So are shrinks but shrinks torture you with neuroleptics even if you go in patient  voluntarilly for a crisis of depression or anxiety.  these idiots feel they have to give everyone a neuroleptic.  a good inpatient stay would be like in the movie David and Lisa 1962...there's so much more to write but i am too tired now
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Benzo or benzodiazepine(e.g xanax, ativan, clonazepam, etc)withdrawal is one of the hardest, causes much suffering, and dangerous(if you just stop and try to survive the neurological seizures or convulsions on your own)drugs to withdraw and or detox for.  The Waismann method is very expensive and i doubt many of us can afford it.  From what i gather it is not covered by insurances.  Here is a comparison: Heroin anesthesia assisted detox can be as short as one day outpatient.  Benzo anesthesia assisted detox takes at least two weeks.  Bascially you are "under" for the first 5 days. then there is a week follow up extra week inpatient.  There is always a risk of being under anaesthesia for severa days or more but it is very slight.

One of the reasons that being under while going through withdrawal is that you are spared the suffering.  Detox is traumatizing.  So "being under" saves you the permanent scars of suffering and you are less apt to go back to drugs.  From what i am told the anesthesia method has something some nutrients or procedures the re regulate your neurological system that also ease recovery.

In most good hospital detox centers they will "load you up" with phenobarbital, which knocks you out and more than anything prevents seizures that can kill you.  However since Waismann has proprietary rights i don't think business laws allow public detox centers to keep you under for more than a day.

I personally feel the anaesthesia method should be available to all, through insurance, medicare or medicaid.  You may be able to find a foreign country that does it for half or less than the waismann price, including your traveling expenses.

The irony(or perhaps not)with benzo use is: long term low dose users have the longest and most difficult time.  High dose short term users on a fast acting benzo like xanax, get out of detox quicker. I personally went off benzos for almost a year.  I had muscle cramps every day, some so bad in the middle of the night i would straighten my leg out and the muscle would tear. Next day i would be black and blue from my *** down to my foot.  My doctor decided to put me back on benzos because i was suffering to much. i wish he didn't but then again maybe i might have ended it all if you know what i mean.

When i was started on benzos was back in the 1980's shrinks and doctors were prescribing it like it was candy.  It has only been in the past 5 or 10 years that there has been a benzo detox protocol of using drugs to get you off the benzos(this is nothing new.  i remember the 1940's film called the guy with the golden are.  and when he comes back his friends say Franky how'd you kick the junk--heroin--?  answer:  they gave me other drugs to get off smack).

You might want to try the slow at home method.  that is gradually going from short acting benzo to diazepam(valium).  One you gradually cut back your valium intake and quit, you should not have any dangerous neurological effects for about 4 days.  but it is a slow, day by day process when your worst withdrawal symptoms come after 5 to 7 days.  Even with slow acting valium, i would get yourself into rehab, at the very latest 2 or 3 days after you stopped taking the valium


sigh......
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As far as I know the Waismann method(r) is way too expensive for most of us who want anesthesia assisted benzodiazepine detox.  Detox is traumatic and much suffering.  One of the advantages of anaesthesia assited detox is that you don't experience that suffering and are less likely a recidivist and will not be be traumatized by the hell that is benzo detox  Because medical care in the US is so commercialized the Waismann method is propriatary.  believe it or not benzo detox is the hardest most painful, longest withdrawal of any drug on this earth.  Aneasthesia assisted benzo detox has been used before Waismann.  They were just the first to put a trademark on it.  In France this method would be made part of the National health service.  Here in greedy america it is not.  I think it is shameful and selfish for a doctor or set of doctors to make a procedure proprietary.  Of course they should get a percentage but not have a lock on the treatment.  
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I got the same treatment at local hospital for accidental over dose by a hospital connected pain management M.D.
Difference being I was not put under they just kept pumping the Narcan in me I begged screamed they wanted to strap me down my wife refused and stayed to help hold me down...I saw my dead mother and 2 dead brothers near death???who knows....so now I am 60 addicted to all this **** because of spinal neuro and spinal complications .....woke up in icu 3 days later .....sent to floor and was treated like a junkie......and all they did to me did not work they sent me home with a reduced amount that I did not stick to anyway they tried their best just gives me a guilt complex...
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I think it is a complete waste of money. GETTING clean is not an issue for us addict. STAYING clean is where many fail. They may have got the opiates out of his body but what happens when he comes home? He does not have the tools he needs for recovery. I wish him luck.
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I am just reading these comments on different people that have tried the  Waismann method and some sound very disturbing. I am a sister of a brother in his mid 40s that has dealt with opiate addiction for over 10 years . It has been ongoing battle . First off I feel for anybody that is going through this as a family member for the person struggling with addiction them self's . This is a wide epidemic spreading across the world.  


My brother just started the rapid detox program . I'm sure there are different clinics that do this program of proclaim to . The one my brother is at he was first taken to a hospital in southern California . The fist day he went through medical screening and then the next day they start the rapid detox under medical MD doctor in a ICU environment . after they released him from the icu he was sent to a recovery program where he has been monitored by an on sight staff of caregivers and trained medical and even a cook . I have been talking to him daily and I think this has probably the hardest thing in his life and will continue to be for a long time .
  I really don't believe this was easy  process . My brother told me that he was sick and did deal with withdraw in the hospital . He even had a bad panic attach and thought he was be held there as a hostage.I wish I could have been there with him. My brother has tried to tell me over the years what is feels like with the addition , how his brain functions differently . Its like he has been living in a fog and the withdraws well I guess imagine your worst nightmare coming to life. I guess i really wont know until i really get to talk to him more about it. Our conversations have been brief . I want to know he is alright and for him to know im here for him but at the same time I know this is his time and he has to do this and get through it .    .

Like i said this has just started and he is in the first few days of being opiate free . I say that him not taking anything. I do believe the drugs are still leaving his body and he has side effects from that . He has lost his appetite , stomach aches , diarrhea , muscle aches , body tremors ... and that is just the physical part .

This had been a very scary experience not only for my brother but my entire family .After talking with my brother this morning and his head nurse I feel more confident that he can get through this .

I will post again as time gos on with his progress and maybe even he will tell his story so others can know what to expect .



This is day 4
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The thing about rapid detox that no one seems to get is that you STILL have to go through the post-withdrawal syndrome. Sure, you condense the first several days of withdrawal into 4 hrs. (Which, btw., is an incredible trauma to the nervous system & dangerous too boot!) There have been, to my knowledge, no long term studies comparing the neural healing & general condition of long-term patients of rapid detox v. c/t or taper patients. (This alone, screams 'red flag' to me). From my own research before my detox & from talking to patients that have gone this route, I've seen only mixed results @ best. While the Waismann method is probably the best amongst them, I'd opt for the less brutal, 'non-magic-bullet' route every time. While I think my friend directly above is being a little optimistic asserting that acute w/d's only last 5 days for regular opiates, I do in principle agree that a regular detox & aftercare is safer, saner & a far less costly way to go.
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I have come to the conclusion that Rapid Detox is essentially a scam. $30K to get some potential relief from physical withdrawal is absurd. It would be absurd if it worked, and from what I gather it's hit or miss that it even works. What happens if the person relapses after two weeks? Another $30K?

You can detox from any opiate for free, and you can get aftercare that works for free. Or if you're inclined to spend money, you could go to a top-of-the-line inpatient addiction recovery center for 90 days of aftercare in a gorgeous setting. Aside from methadone and suboxone, physical withdrawal is less than a week. Why do you need to spend $30K to detox in 2 days instead of doing it in 5 days for free?

Rapid detox is a scam that preys on desparate people.
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This is not true.  I went through the Waismann method 1 month ago and it was like an exorcism without a lpriest.  Worst experience of my life.  I have gone cold turkey before and it was awful but nothing compared to the Waismann rapid detox.  EVERYONE HAS WITHDRAWALS AFTER THIS PROCEDURE.  Every patient is incredibly sick and everyone says that they had no idea it was this awful.  The PA who is suppose to take care of you at the Domus is worthless.  She was negligent in her care and basically sat outside and smoked cigarettes most of the time.  They promise you over the phone before you come that within a few days after the procedure that you will wake up feeling GREAT..  That is a lie.  The ICU is archaic and the nurses are not available.  I cannot describe what it is like when you wake up in that ICU.  A dark , dismal room with a metal toilet that comes out of a cupboard.  Waking up hallucinating, unable to talk,  legs thrashing,  nauseated,  so completely disoriented,  I  felt like I was going to die, and I wanted to it was so horrific.  Nurses were unavailable, I had to scream in order to get some help.  I know that my writing is scattered.  It is because I still feel fuzzy in the brain.  I still have leg cramps, nausea, sleepless nights, horrible anxiety, am sneezing all the time-basically all the symptoms of opiate withdrawal.  I could go on and on.  I really want to spare people from this experience.  Do not go to the Waismann program. I spent 30,000 there, am in debt and still feel sick.  I also have nightmares about the ICU.  
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My brother was a Heroin addict for years, shooting it up and all, finally hit rock bottom, and really desired to get over his addiction, so we took him to the Weismann institute in orange county, 5 day trip, after the rapid detox he hasn't touched anything in about 10 years has a wife and 5 kids and is LDS. the first couple days were a big adjustment and had assistance getting around but had he not gone through this i have no doubt he would no longer be alive today. I believe they have a good turn out but everybody is different and can handle things in different ways or amounts. All I know is that it saved my brothers life and i'm forever grateful. and He is thus far and probably going to be forever sober.
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17 years on OXY ,and 2 of them on OXY and suboxone ( which BTW is the WORST DRUG EVER INVENTED),I had enough.
Withdrawl from multi year use is hell ,and if u used sub, forget even trying, cuz the half life is 86 hours, meaning you wont even start full blown WD for 4 days,and to really get back to "functionable",or hell even " presentable" at work, you NEED 15 days off.Tapering is only possible if you are have iron willpower and a month of no responsibilies. I'm in so cal, and finally had enough. Waismann method 100% works.Crazy **** happens to you ( 5 gr narcan) ,but you totally out and dont feel or remember anything.They get all the junk out. They are the ONLY (forget your reg dr. ) people who can safely do this,period. It costs 20k, but you must think of it this way; somebody is holding a gun (dope) to ur head and demands 20k. You would find a way to scrounge ,borrow, or steal, sell to get the money. Do it. The first day you wake up,you instantly feel like you passed thru some plasma barrier back to the real world,but you're sore and tired, like after running 200miles. They take you to a frinkin mansion in OC where you rest, exercise, get benzos, stop GI probs, chill with the staff ( EVERYBODY SMOKES, so if you don't consider starting for a while) Nicotine feeds the monsters too.You are more pampered there than in a vegas penthouse suite, gods honest truth.The is no shame , and you can get all the mental **** and fear of wd outta your head. Honestly I did not think it would work, and while you are require to stay on naltrax for ,inmost cases, 9 months,
THERE IS NO MORE DRAGON HELL WD,period. U ARE DONE


You really sleep thru it. My amex bill just came in the ( 22 k) and i have no idea how to pay it in 14 days, but a little financial black mark on ur credit score is ******* nothing compared to WD for OXY, sub or Heroin users, we know.Worth every penny.IN the end its probably cheaper than staying on sub or buying street oxy over the course of a year anyway.

Call April at Waismann, and TAKE back your life ..all of us deserve it....

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My son did the rapid detox with the Waismann after rehab twice, sober living, suboxone and all that was available. It saved his life. He was inpatient for 10 days , but the last couple years we have work with quite a bit of therapy to keep him off.
I am trying to convince my friend to follow his steps but have not been that lucky yet.
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Unlike most of you, who are speculating, I experienced the rapid detox in Michigan 4 months ago. I have never abused drugs - rather, I was prescribed the fentanyl patch 100 mcg for several years after I broke my back in multiple places & crushed my pelvis. Trying to withdraw from the fentanyl was sheer torture. I found the rapid detox to be a godsend. I drove to Michigan with a family member early Monday. Once there I met with the nurse to be evaluated physically. Tuesday I had the procedure. It was just like going to sleep for surgery. I woke up in recovery with several other people who had the procedure. Each of us was assigned our own medical worker, who sat next to each of us & watched each person closely. After a couple hours, We returned to our hotel by shuttle. They had a nurse who came to our rooms to give us scheduled medication. I pretty much slept the rest of Tuesday, & much of Wednesday. It is a requirement that you have a person staying with you (family member, friend) in your hotel room. They keep an eye on you. Then we drove home Thursday. You are given a choice of receiving a 6-month supply of Naltrexone HCL in pill form for free, they could mail you a Naltrexone shot to be administered once a month for extra money, or you could choose to have a Naltrexone HCL pellet imbedded near your belly button, which lasts for 3 months (so you would need to have a second one done after 3 months. This last choice is expensive. I chose the pills, & take one daily. Naltrexone HCL prevents further periodic withdrawl symptoms, prevents cravings for the drug, & causes the patient not to experience any euphoria ("high") if they do relapse & take the drug while they are on it. The cost of this program (which includes your hotel, the procedure, medication, evaluation by the nurse, & Naltrexone pills) is $4,800. In insurance does not cover this. You must arrive there ready to pay the full amount by cash, credit card, or bank check. They DO NOT accept personal checks! I don't know how I ever would have been able to discontinue the fentanyl patch without this procedure. I have nothing but good to say about the program. I would definitely recommend it to anyone.
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My husband went to mexico for the ibogaine treatment- he was working with a guy named Lex Keegan- from the web site IBEGINAGAIN.COM.  My husband has dealt with opiate addiction and alcoholism for many many years. oxys, methadone, suboxone, herion, fentenayl- you name it. At the time he went down there he was on suboxone. Lex told him to switch to methadone for 4 weeks before coming - he didnt quite do what the guy said.  He switched to roxys for 2 weeks.  Lex also told him to stop drinking for 1 week before- ha! he had a vodka mixer at the air port.  So he did the treatment- said it was the coolest feeling hed ever had. Said it felt like every neuron in his brain lit up.  He was asleep for almost 3 days- in a diaper. Dreaming of his past lives.  He was supposed to feel 100% when he woke up. Didnt quite go that way.  He came home and laid in bed for 3 days then got back on the suboxone.  Since the treatment didnt work he gets a second round free of charge- but its not cheap to fly to mexico.  He has stayed in contact with Lex Keegan and from what I have heard Lex had to move his practice to a different country. Some other beautiful place.  The place he stayed was very beautiful and peaceful but for $5000. i Dont think I would ever do it. Unless money is no object - then hey, what do you have to lose. right.  Good luck, and remember youre not alone.  
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I've read your comment to Gnarly. I found it rude and condescending. You assume things not evidenced.

The "members" he was referring to are members of this forum who have subjected themselves to this detox method. Their opinions are well documented in the MH archives.  I might add that his remarks are five months old...
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Gnarly...Your comments suggest that you are not fully researched on opiate addiction, nor the broad scope of treatment methodolgies/interventions available. One size treatment approach will never fit all individuals because every individual is 'different'. We all have separate mechanisms for physiological and emotional coping. It's irresponsible to assume and to imply that one-size-fits-all philosophizing based on the notion that consequences, i.e. "the experience of laying in the bed one makes" is the 'cure'.  That is not an evidence-based argument. That is simply your' opinion -which you are certainly entitled to. However, I encourage youopen you mind and do the research. You mention in comment "several members...." which suggest you're refering to 'peer' support   groups -i'm assuming a 12 step group?

The way you 'come across' in your comment hints that you are someone who tends to make decisions based on a kind of indoctrinated state of mind common in 'some' addiction/recovery related peer group philosophies. Remember to consider that everyone has an individual journey. We serve others best in navigating the challenges of addiction when we interact in a way that allows/inspires an individual/loved one to forge their own path. People are able to cope with their challenges better and better over time when they have a sense that the people around them are not judging them or otherwise trying to control their thoughts or actions via manipulative strategies such a fear-mongering, gossip and pessimism. A lot of so-called "support" group meetings rely on membership via these unhealthy tactics. The net result is stigma...Encouraging you to use a responsibly open-minded, common-sense approach and positive spirit when approaching the subject of 'others' addictions. A menu of evidence-based options is the goal!
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All I can say is I have cold turkey stopped Opiates several times. Each time same results. The best method I have found OUTSIDE OF rehab which I have NEVER done, is the Thomas method. Only because it is vitamins, poopoo meds, etc etc just look it up, you will feel like crap depending on your med, for about 3 days and after that mostly TIRED and just sorta out of wack......if you can get past the first 3 days you can handle the rest if your strong enough. Good Luck
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Continued happiness and health to you and your wife. Thank you for the balance of perspective you offer by sharing your personal experience. It provides readers with better decision-making ability. That's really what we should all be focused on: "What options are available to me that might allow me to improve my health, my circumstances, my quallity of life...or that might allow me to become a more informed, effective advocate on behalf of a loved one with a substance ue disorder?"
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Elliot, thanks for your comments about your personal experience with the Waismann method. It's easy for people to become short-sighted when exposed to negative comments and negative hearsay about clinical interventions -especially regarding opiate dependency. And let's face it...."positive/hopeful spirit" in regard to anything addiction-related is pretty much unheard of. All the negativity adds to addiction stigma. And we all know (or should) that stigma adds to barriers to recovery for individuals and families.   I'm not suggesting that there have not been problems with rapid detox. It's just that, after a good amount of research, it appears that the negative outcomes are associated with the short-cutted versions of the Waismann method- which, in my opinion, catagorizes these short cut versions as non-Waismann methods....apples and oranges in effect.  
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I am a doctor and went through the Waismann Method.  It allowed me to detox, without serious discomfort, and allowed me to keep my dignity.  I do not below you have to hit rock bottom, or suffer to get better.  The Naltrexone stopped the cravings, and I have been free of opiates for over 5 years.  People complain about $20,000..but this procedure is done in an intensive care unit, by a board certified anesthesiologist, with tremendous costs.  I can't say enough about how this saved my life.
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Its nice to see your story radfory, your wifes experiences mirror my own. I was so glad i did it and have been clean almost 4 1/2 years now, never had a craving afterwards either.its good to hear positive things from you, it seems many people have a problem with the procedure and its good to get many opinions, but for the life of me i cannot relate to some of the stuff people say, Maybe i was just lucky, but from the moment i went to Waismann ( including the procedure and emmediately afterward) up till today my lifes so much better than the lost several years prior. Congratulations to you and your wife, now you get to have a life again!
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