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withdrawls are horrible
I just went through a horrific week detoxing off hydros and today I took 9 pills.Am I going to withdrawl for a week again.I cant brlieve I took them today,Tgey were out of my system.I just was tired of being weak with no energy
Hi Kyle , I think your hard truth is needed sometimes . You have helped so many with your up front posts . Without you i could not have done this .
I am on Day#15 today feeling pretty good & when i read
" I took 9 pills because i am tired of no energy "
I got upset at Kimbo's post , I can understand pain can require our needing pills , but to give in for energy I can not understand .
Not trying to sound like i am judgeing someone , Just after my fight to get to day#15 going thru the W/D & crappy days and remembering the pain I just do not understand .... Ron
Kimbo , Start again post every day learn from your mistake & fight harder for yourself you can do this !!! & listen to Kyles ever post ... Good luck .. Ron
I am on Day#15 today feeling pretty good & when i read
" I took 9 pills because i am tired of no energy "
I got upset at Kimbo's post , I can understand pain can require our needing pills , but to give in for energy I can not understand .
Not trying to sound like i am judgeing someone , Just after my fight to get to day#15 going thru the W/D & crappy days and remembering the pain I just do not understand .... Ron
Kimbo , Start again post every day learn from your mistake & fight harder for yourself you can do this !!! & listen to Kyles ever post ... Good luck .. Ron
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I wouldnt worry about the wd's, i would worry more about why you chose to use again and do something about it. Addiction is a dead end road literally. Check into some sort of aftercare. Using is just a symptom of what is really going on. You are in the drivers seat here.
I, too, think it's not right for others to be openly critical of another poster's approach on the forum. I've seen SO many comments from people here to Kyle that it was HIS no-nonsense approach and "tough love" attitude that finally got then straightened out. He makes people have to be accountable, he calls people out on them making excuses for relapsing, and WHY? Because he's BEEN there himself. He's said that countless times. ALSO, there are PLENTY of times, when Kyle himself will own that maybe he WAS too harsh. This certainly isn't one of those times, IMO. Kyle has NO problem manning up and admitting he may have been a little TOO harsh in certain circumstances. He shouldn't have to defend his appraoch, all the time. All that's going to do is chase him away. Who would want to keep posting on a forum where you have to constantly defend yourself? I know I wouldn't.
Kyle spends a LOT of time here helping people, and it's the constant picking apart of his words (and twisting them out of context, too) that has made him feel like he needs a break from this place. Now THAT'S a shame.
People need to worry about what they are posting, not try to tell everyone else how THEY should post. The only result is this, yet another thread derailed with finger pointing, accusations, and people having to defend themselves. That's not helpful in any way.
Vicki said it great, this isn't Candyland. Support comes in all forms...from the hugs and kisses, and words of encouragement, to the informative posts, to the straight forward, HONEST approach. They're all helpful in their own way. The OP can take away what they want.
I'm with Kyle 100%, that if you have something to say about his posts, send him a PM, don't hijack someone's thread to call someone out. Not only is it not fair, but for the OP's, it gives the impression that there isn't cohesiveness in the forum, which there should be.
Kimbo, you will get ALL kinds of help and info and compassion from this forum. Sometimes, the truth hurts and sometimes, you have to hear things you may not want to hear. I can promise you that these folks come from a place of wanting to help see others succeed. They fight their own battles, and after MANY years of going back and forth themselves, some of them have figured out why it didn't work for them, hence the advice you received.
So glad you found this forum. You will get a lot out of it if you keep an open mind, and are willing to be humble about the mistakes you're making. That's not an easy thing to do, for sure. The important thing, for now, is that you're here, reaching out. Please take the advice that was given to you...get rid of ALL sources, tell someone, so you have to be accountable, and start getting help...go to meetings, find a therapist, whatever it takes. From what everyone has said here, detox is actually the easy part...staying clean is the hard part.
I wish you nothing bu success.
Kyle spends a LOT of time here helping people, and it's the constant picking apart of his words (and twisting them out of context, too) that has made him feel like he needs a break from this place. Now THAT'S a shame.
People need to worry about what they are posting, not try to tell everyone else how THEY should post. The only result is this, yet another thread derailed with finger pointing, accusations, and people having to defend themselves. That's not helpful in any way.
Vicki said it great, this isn't Candyland. Support comes in all forms...from the hugs and kisses, and words of encouragement, to the informative posts, to the straight forward, HONEST approach. They're all helpful in their own way. The OP can take away what they want.
I'm with Kyle 100%, that if you have something to say about his posts, send him a PM, don't hijack someone's thread to call someone out. Not only is it not fair, but for the OP's, it gives the impression that there isn't cohesiveness in the forum, which there should be.
Kimbo, you will get ALL kinds of help and info and compassion from this forum. Sometimes, the truth hurts and sometimes, you have to hear things you may not want to hear. I can promise you that these folks come from a place of wanting to help see others succeed. They fight their own battles, and after MANY years of going back and forth themselves, some of them have figured out why it didn't work for them, hence the advice you received.
So glad you found this forum. You will get a lot out of it if you keep an open mind, and are willing to be humble about the mistakes you're making. That's not an easy thing to do, for sure. The important thing, for now, is that you're here, reaching out. Please take the advice that was given to you...get rid of ALL sources, tell someone, so you have to be accountable, and start getting help...go to meetings, find a therapist, whatever it takes. From what everyone has said here, detox is actually the easy part...staying clean is the hard part.
I wish you nothing bu success.
Kimbo...let us know how you're doing...stick around...it's not always like this around here...there are many different viewpoints and somtimes that leads to some...differences of opinion... a lot of wonderful advice and people on here...including some of the above posters :) KIT this is a great place!
I was reading this last night and thinking what Vicki has mentioned this am...some people come on here not feeling well...so you can get some 'off' posts...Kimbo when you come back start another thread and let us know how you're making out- hopefully you've dug your heals deep and did some good work ;)
I was reading this last night and thinking what Vicki has mentioned this am...some people come on here not feeling well...so you can get some 'off' posts...Kimbo when you come back start another thread and let us know how you're making out- hopefully you've dug your heals deep and did some good work ;)
Thanks for reinforcing it, ImDONE, yes, it is scary, and people are unaware most of the time.
hugs,
Lily
hugs,
Lily
GREAT point lily. That kind of dose is extremely dangerous after you've quit and your tolerance becomes lowered. I'm really glad you brought that to our attention.
Relapsing is the reason why Kyle is so adamant about cutting ties, and he gets a lot of heat for it, because it can't be sugarcoated. We need love, and that comes in more than one form, we need reassurance, and motivation, but we also need tough love when the situation calls for it.
Kyle doesn't want to see people relapse, plain and simple. It is his forte, making people see that there is nothing sweet about it, you MUST get rid of all pills and cut all ties.
Kimbo, I hope you will take this relapse as a lesson and this time get rid of all pills and connections. You can do this, you did a week, you can do it!
The energy thing, liek the other mental symptoms is tough, but if I can do it, anyone can, as I am a huge wuss. I am on day 106 I think it is, and life is new and wonderful.
SOMETHING SCARES ME!!!!! The fact that you took 9 pills after one week of not having any is highly dangerous!!! WHen you dont take pills for a period of time you become less tolerant. If you would have been off the pills for longer those 9 pills may have killed you with an overdose!!
This is another reason we must cut all ties and flush all pills.
You can do this, we are here for you, get back on the path, please, and you will have a new life waiting for you when its over.
hugs,
Lily
Kyle doesn't want to see people relapse, plain and simple. It is his forte, making people see that there is nothing sweet about it, you MUST get rid of all pills and cut all ties.
Kimbo, I hope you will take this relapse as a lesson and this time get rid of all pills and connections. You can do this, you did a week, you can do it!
The energy thing, liek the other mental symptoms is tough, but if I can do it, anyone can, as I am a huge wuss. I am on day 106 I think it is, and life is new and wonderful.
SOMETHING SCARES ME!!!!! The fact that you took 9 pills after one week of not having any is highly dangerous!!! WHen you dont take pills for a period of time you become less tolerant. If you would have been off the pills for longer those 9 pills may have killed you with an overdose!!
This is another reason we must cut all ties and flush all pills.
You can do this, we are here for you, get back on the path, please, and you will have a new life waiting for you when its over.
hugs,
Lily
This happens all the time... let's face it, when we first quit we are SUPER sensitive and defensive as well. It's normal. And it happens to all of us.
Now is the time to LISTEN to everyone, hear their stories and experiences because it will help you to understand your addiction and learn as you move forward. It's all part of the process - the advice given can be hard to take at first but you have to take it. There's no other way. You just do.
And kyle, your posts are a g-d-send in this place - you're a straight shooter and call it like you see it. No BS. Just the reality of addiction and it needs to be met on with that kind of passion. vickis right - this is NOT candyland.
Now is the time to LISTEN to everyone, hear their stories and experiences because it will help you to understand your addiction and learn as you move forward. It's all part of the process - the advice given can be hard to take at first but you have to take it. There's no other way. You just do.
And kyle, your posts are a g-d-send in this place - you're a straight shooter and call it like you see it. No BS. Just the reality of addiction and it needs to be met on with that kind of passion. vickis right - this is NOT candyland.
I hope you check back, in spite of folks trying to derail your thread this morning...It happens when people are sick and not feeling well...
Have you gotten rid of your sources? That's the first step in being successful with quitting. Let us know what's going on with you today...
Have you gotten rid of your sources? That's the first step in being successful with quitting. Let us know what's going on with you today...
Hang in there... fighting this addiction is and will be the hardest that of your life ...it's a daily battle with it's ups and downs....please don't let the bottom of your barrel be in the bottom of a coffin..9 pills first day back wow...you made it so far I can't say if you will have withdrawals but I can cat it is time to pill up your boot straps and get to work on saving your life...I think that is where Kyle is coming from he is very passionate ......with that said this is about you , you have to make the decision to take back your life and stop being a prisoner to addiction..... you had energy before pills and you will get it after pills I promise you that.... I'm praying for you so hang in there .....
"I just was tired of being weak with no energy"
story of my life.
each time i got up, dusted myself off and tried again . . . each time more determined not to mess up again.
two two things i didn't realize : 1) each time the problem had grown a little worse and more difficult to address; and 2) each time my ability to address the problem had become a little less.
the fire kept getting bigger and hotter, but i continued to call only the same fireman who failed to put it out before (me), to try again (and again) . . . each time with a little less stamina and a smaller hose. hmm, what was i thinking?
another thing i didn't realize was that addiction is a relentlessly progressive disease that, if not arrested, will destroy your life before it kills you. i didn't understand that at all. i thought i was just weak and bad. very weal and very bad. of course i was neither. i was just sick and not able to get better by myself.
i didn't get better until i quit trying to fix it all by myself. it was always bigger than i knew . . . it was bigger than i was capable of knowing. if i had seen the true picture, i might have sought help sooner. but i was constitutionally incapable of doing that. it almost killed me, but that's the way it was. i was unable to stop hiding from help until i was too weak to exert the effort to resist . . .
still, if i had somehow pulled out early, things wouldn't be like they are now and i'm very happy with how things are now. so, i don't regret the fact that i took it to the brink . . . it's what happened. it seems like it was supposed to happen. i'm not only completely at peace with it, i'm grateful for it.
i wonder what you'll do.
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story of my life.
each time i got up, dusted myself off and tried again . . . each time more determined not to mess up again.
two two things i didn't realize : 1) each time the problem had grown a little worse and more difficult to address; and 2) each time my ability to address the problem had become a little less.
the fire kept getting bigger and hotter, but i continued to call only the same fireman who failed to put it out before (me), to try again (and again) . . . each time with a little less stamina and a smaller hose. hmm, what was i thinking?
another thing i didn't realize was that addiction is a relentlessly progressive disease that, if not arrested, will destroy your life before it kills you. i didn't understand that at all. i thought i was just weak and bad. very weal and very bad. of course i was neither. i was just sick and not able to get better by myself.
i didn't get better until i quit trying to fix it all by myself. it was always bigger than i knew . . . it was bigger than i was capable of knowing. if i had seen the true picture, i might have sought help sooner. but i was constitutionally incapable of doing that. it almost killed me, but that's the way it was. i was unable to stop hiding from help until i was too weak to exert the effort to resist . . .
still, if i had somehow pulled out early, things wouldn't be like they are now and i'm very happy with how things are now. so, i don't regret the fact that i took it to the brink . . . it's what happened. it seems like it was supposed to happen. i'm not only completely at peace with it, i'm grateful for it.
i wonder what you'll do.
CATUF
2678
hey kimbo.. the worst thing you can do is beat yourself up for the slip. Nobody likes to talk about it but, relaspe is part of recovery. you will need to alow yourself the low energy, I'm sorry but that is part of it. the withdrawals will be a couple extra days . but you are through the worst of it.set your sights and jump back on the wagon. we learn by making mistakes.we're all rootin for you.
Hey look ' the two I mean, you have to accept pros and cons well I don't see anything wrong being direct and straight forward! Kyle just being straight, yeah it sound harsh but not rude! A post are suppose to welcome comments isn't the natural of the story? I guess it based on how you judge it by adding on negative comment toward Kyle post is still the same as what you say rubbing salt into an open wound, you're doing the same thing! Lol! Please look at your judgement, nobody is perfect and got any scholarship from word phrase here yeah? You don't like it leave it ignore it but not telling people what to do, I believe kimbo knows how to take it better, understand it better knowing that rough tough harsh words might maybe trigger his thoughts a little! Everyone make decision and mistake, what is relapse? I been thru I believe you too so be prepared for nice and bad words from people if you decided to post, thanks and hopefully it get better for the 2 of you I am with vicki kyle thought I don't know them at all but they given lots of good comments in my point of view
I know. Me too.
What do you say we just leave this rock show...or stay and ignore the two people who can't read very well...
What do you say we just leave this rock show...or stay and ignore the two people who can't read very well...
Thanks. I re read my post. Direct, yes. Said he was being foolish. Didn't call him stupid. Amazing how my words are twisted if someone disagrees.
I don't get it. Hate the drama. Tired of it.
I don't get it. Hate the drama. Tired of it.
Kyle- Just offer to hand out candy and kisses to substitute for a handful of pills and I guess that would be acceptable...
THIS IS ABOUT GETTING CLEAN FROM ADDICTION.
It's not Candyland...
THIS IS ABOUT GETTING CLEAN FROM ADDICTION.
It's not Candyland...
Not judging. Not judging. I never judge. Not rude and negative. Trying to get through to someone who could be in serious trouble. Dust yourself off may work in some situations but not this one, IN MY OPINION. I'm tired of the crap.
Don't beat yourself up. People relapse, they make mistakes. It's called life. Just dust yourself off and start back on the road to recovery. We are here to help and support you but you may need additional resources. And don't listen to the rude and negative posts like kyles. You don't need to be judged, no one on here deserves that no matter what
Yep - kimbo knows what happened - knew what would happen but did it anyway. And yes, it is stupid to use again. Being an addict kimbo knows that too. He took 9 pills - that's 9 - because he was weak and had no energy.
He knows - but it didn't matter. I pointed out where he was headed. After taking 9 pills, I don't see how there's a lot of time left to give him one foot in front of the other crap. He was only clean for a week and then relapsed for no good reason, taking a bunch of pills.
We all have our own approach to reaching out. Mine is based on personal heartache and experience. I'm tired of being critized for my efforts. If you want to comment on my post, send me a PM. You are detracting from kimbo's issue.
He knows - but it didn't matter. I pointed out where he was headed. After taking 9 pills, I don't see how there's a lot of time left to give him one foot in front of the other crap. He was only clean for a week and then relapsed for no good reason, taking a bunch of pills.
We all have our own approach to reaching out. Mine is based on personal heartache and experience. I'm tired of being critized for my efforts. If you want to comment on my post, send me a PM. You are detracting from kimbo's issue.
My mistake "kimbo" not Con. I read from my phone so I saw Conhall and thought that was original poster. Either way, hope you're doing ok.
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